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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25771760 - 01/27/19 09:15 AM (5 years, 3 days ago)

I did but then they died in a bad freeze. I cloned them same way as others.

Luckily this winter has been mild and sunny. I bet I’ll hit thousands of Kratom clones by August.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25785611 - 02/02/19 08:30 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

My kratom plants look terrible and I'm unsure if this is considered normal during wintertime. I have only been growing these plants since last spring. I recently gave them a repot because I figured they were getting rootbound, so they shouldn't be lacking any nutrients at the moment.

They're straight under a 250W HPS light, which might be too much for them? The room is without heating so it gets coldish in there when the light is off. Other ethnobotanical plants in this room don't seem to mind though. Also I guess humidity is rather low indoors at this time.

Is there anything I can do to make them prosper again? The leaves get brown spots and tears because they seem rather dry. Most of the leaves have fallen off. The plant pictured is still growing sluggishly, the other one is just a stick without leaves. I don't think they're affected by any pests at the moment either.




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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25785630 - 02/02/19 08:38 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

My Mitragyna Speciosa plant struggles a lot in the winter even with 16-18 hour light. I’m certain it is the low RH in my house. In the winter it is down to 35-40%.
When my plants were still small enough I would place a clear plastic bag over the top of them and within 1-2 weeks the leaves would look much better.  Same is true for my Salvia divinorum plants.
My guess is your grow area is not as humid as south east Asia... :smile:
Maybe place a humidifier in there if the room is small enough?
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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: PsiloPsychIn]
    #25785658 - 02/02/19 08:53 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)



Mine are throwing off some odd colors.
Really red now.
Ill try to snap some picture's today.

They also have some simlar rusty spots where the tips of the leaves have fell off or holes formed.

Im in 7b and they dont seem to mind the outside or in my garage humidity levels.

I use gas heat and the temperature stays between 50f and 65f.



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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #25787053 - 02/02/19 08:56 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Kratom is the most challenging plant I have in the winter. I’ve resigned to the fact that they go dormant and quit fighting it. Once leaves start dropping there isn’t much you can do other than wait until spring. Mine are in a cold garage this winter, they went dormant over a month ago. Spider mites always show up about this time of the year, check your plants closely.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JizzMasterZero] * 1
    #25789045 - 02/03/19 07:32 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)



Here's what I have going currently.
Decided to top them and try making a bunch of cuttings over the winter instead of letting them go dormant. I have ten cuttings that I'm attempting to root in coco coir right now.

The two left plants are a 'pink vein indo' and 'bumblebee'. I dont know which is which because they got mixed up without labels at one point.
The plant on the right is the hirsuta that I've been needing to top for a little while. You can already see a bunch of bottom growth that I assume will bolt once I remove the apical meristem. Hopefully get a bit of cuttings on those. :strokebeard:

They all suffered some water stress when i was on vacation recently. You can see it pretty well on the hirsuta.

Seems like theyre fairly tough plants once they get a good root system established though.
I have them all on saucers and have been bottom watering them which they seem to like.
Heavy drinkers.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Acaterpillar] * 1
    #25789364 - 02/03/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Yes they can be heavy drinkers. Water consumption is a good way to judge how well your plants are doing, and yours must be doing great.  If they are healthy and drinking, there is no such thing as too much water, unless the entire plant is underwater. Here are mine during the summer of 2017 sitting in 10 inches of water in a kiddie pool. I would have to drain the water every 10 days or so because it would get full of mosquito larvae. I doubt many plants could tolerate that much water but kratom loves it as long as they are getting enough light, heat, and humidity. That really worked out for me because the pools would stay filled with rainwater and I didn’t have to worry about it for several days or weeks. It’s a reliable was to ensure your plants stay watered if you have to leave home for a week or so.





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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #25789672 - 02/04/19 04:52 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the response. I guess it probably is the low RH then, since I don't think it gets any colder than 50F in there. Those red colored leaves look lovely, Snakeye! I guess I could put them in a large plastic bag to raise humidity, because I'm a bit anxious about the leafless plant.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Poison Drink]
    #25789710 - 02/04/19 05:31 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Jizz master you have had me freaking out over those spider mites:rofl:
Ive been out here with a magnifying glass looking at dust! I traced the webs back to a meduim sized light brown spider. He seems nice.
Thanks for having me look into it though.:takingnotes:

Thanks poison!
If the tree is short enough you could cut the top off a two or three liter and place it over the top.
Also clear totes make a good environment or even a old sgfc.

Don't let it worry yah bud im sure you caught it in time.:goodluck:

Everyone's trees are looking good!:sunny:



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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #25792465 - 02/05/19 08:58 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Acaterpillar, You’ll probably be able to distinguish Bumble Bee from PVI if you cut the tops off. When topped, Bumble Bee seems to sprout growth in all directions, including straight down. It will also branch more profusely than any of the others. You’re plants are set up for an early start this Spring, and you’ll be able to make dozens of BB cuttings by July.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25802498 - 02/09/19 09:29 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Here's what I have going currently.
Decided to top them and try making a bunch of cuttings over the winter instead of letting them go dormant. I have ten cuttings that I'm attempting to root in coco coir right now.

The two left plants are a 'pink vein indo' and 'bumblebee'. I dont know which is which because they got mixed up without labels at one point.
The plant on the right is the hirsuta that I've been needing to top for a little while. You can already see a bunch of bottom growth that I assume will bolt once I remove the apical meristem. Hopefully get a bit of cuttings on those. :strokebeard:

They all suffered some water stress when i was on vacation recently. You can see it pretty well on the hirsuta.

Seems like theyre fairly tough plants once they get a good root system established though.
I have them all on saucers and have been bottom watering them which they seem to like.
Heavy drinkers.



i have one red malay plant that i topped and it loved it. my other 3 died of some unknown illness


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: JizzMasterZero]
    #25802501 - 02/09/19 09:30 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Acaterpillar, You’ll probably be able to distinguish Bumble Bee from PVI if you cut the tops off. When topped, Bumble Bee seems to sprout growth in all directions, including straight down. It will also branch more profusely than any of the others. You’re plants are set up for an early start this Spring, and you’ll be able to make dozens of BB cuttings by July.




i second this as well


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Ajp420] * 1
    #25803455 - 02/10/19 11:07 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry for the triple post,



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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Ajp420]
    #25804228 - 02/10/19 05:58 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I need to buy me some seeds before big pharma gets their grubby hands on it


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: silave]
    #25804238 - 02/10/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

btw, how long does it take for a kratom plant to fully mature and be ready to harvest in both indoor and outdoor conditions?


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: silave]
    #25806693 - 02/11/19 09:04 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Welp, I burned the shit out of my Mitras using safer soap under some T5s.
I sprayed them shortly after my lights turned off, but it still seemed to have some phytotoxicity.

Sprayed them for white flies, which they haven't had much of, but a caapi that was in the same room is infested with them so I treated all my plants.

Would neem oil have been a safer bet?

I'll get some pics up soon. They look like they'll definitely survive, it's just a bit unsightly.


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #25817146 - 02/16/19 04:13 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)



Lost my first leaf to the cold.:frown:


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: BattyKoda] * 1
    #25818788 - 02/17/19 12:22 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

It’ll be alright, mine loose lots. Last year they lost everyone and branch down to stumps


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #25845822 - 03/01/19 01:08 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

My hirsuta seeds never worked (and surprisingly hardly any even seemed to fall out of my pod parts that i received).. but i have successfully germinated daun jambu :smile:

Big Q: is it true or not that the variety names and leaf vein colors are for a big part a crapshoot of randomness rather than what the variety says (and probably grow condition dependent if thats the case), while of course the geography part will surely tell you where the variety comes from?

So disregard half of variety names?
A big analysis on this would be lovely..


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Re: The Official Kratom Growers Thread. [Re: Solipsis]
    #25847130 - 03/02/19 06:27 AM (4 years, 10 months ago)

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Big Q: is it true or not that the variety names and leaf vein colors are for a big part a crapshoot of randomness rather than what the variety says (and probably grow condition dependent if thats the case), while of course the geography part will surely tell you where the variety comes from?

So disregard half of variety names?
A big analysis on this would be lovely..



I remember hearing about a study showing that the different varieties tested, had a similar alkaloid profile. Sometimes it had less and sometimes more but if I recall correctly they contributed it to different batches, grown and harvested under different conditions. I can't find the study though.

I think that the growing conditions are the most important factor when it comes to growing potent kratom.
However, when it comes to growing it myself, I've noticed different hardiness on different varieties. It could be a fluke or it could be some truth behind it. Either way it would be nice to see a big study debunking some myths around kratom.


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