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The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. 3
#23692987 - 09/30/16 05:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coltan. Cobalt. Tungsten. Gold. Resources and genocide.
We can all point fingers but lets point the finger at ourselves first. Our computer, our phone, our affordable electronics is paid for in their blood, the blood of 6 million dead, half of them young children.
This is intended to raise awareness about what some of the stuff you own comes from and what atrocities underly it. We are one world, this is your problem too.
Please discuss intelligently.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante] 3
#23693027 - 09/30/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you posted the wrong video.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: John Nada]
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Not the wrong video, but thanks for adding that video also, it is a good one about the situation.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante] 3
#23693097 - 09/30/16 06:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have been aware of this for some time, and even now it still makes me break out in cold sweat what we as a society are guilty of.
The first time I noticed.. it was as if the world was falling away from under my feet. I was doing a government IT job, a large agency needed their smartphones replaced. I replaced THOUSANDS of working smartphones that had nothing wrong with them. All to be traded in for the latest versions at that time. Of course, management went nuts for the iphones.
The old phones where all scrapped. And I just could not help but feel what a senseless, senseless waste it all was. And it made me curious where these things even came from. Good God.. Allah have mercy, Christ deliver us, Holy Fucking Spirit just end this world already...
Now, I work for a recycling plant, dismantling all sorts of gadgets and whatnot that people just discared without a thought.
These gadgets are just toys.. they are not important. The human and environmental cost to obtain these toys is too high.
The digital age is an abomination. The chain goes like this: Slaves in Africa, mostly kids, mine the precious metals with great danger to their health. These metals get shipped to south-east Asia. There, it is mostly mothers that produce the toys we all desire so much in inhuman working conditions. Some so bad the companies we all love had to take anti-suicide measures!
Then the toys get shipped to richer nations (The west, middle east, Japan, etc.) where store employees make minimum wage and sell a bit of their soul in order to sell these fucking bullshit cunt toys to FUCKING yuppies, techbro's and other morons at greatly inflated prices. The profits all go to the head honcho's of these companies, never to their workers.
The ammount of suffering that went into your telephone is TOO HIGH!
These tech companies are literally satan. I can't stand all the hip, savvy advertisements they put out, it makes me sick to my stumach. But even worse are these technophiles that just HAVE to have all the gadgets. These people are so god damn self absorbed they HAVE to be demonically posessed or some shit.
But most of all I hate myself and my part in all of this. I own a laptop, I own a smartphone, television and gameboy. These are all the gadgets I have, but I make myself sick when I remember the giddyness and joy I felled purchasing these items.
So to recap: The tech industry is literally satan. Globalism and neoliberalism is hell on earth. And we're all guilty sons of bitches.
Pray for us, Asante
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
#23693102 - 09/30/16 06:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Governments, media, etc. etc. does a lot of work to keep us in the dark when it comes to these horrors.
Ooh, you Americans can vote for a moron or a bitch? HOW FUCKING EXCITING!! But you got some kid's bones stuck in your teeth, mate.
They HAVE to keep the general populace in the dark and distracted with bullshit. Most people, I believe, are good. If this became general and understood knowledge, these tech companies would die.
Neo-liberalism is worse than national-socialism, worse than communism, worse than capitalism, worse than serf-dom.. it is all the evil in the world disguised by marketing. It is the devil with a smiley face painted on him, and this system makes all of us guilty.
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This stuff makes me so angry, sad and nauseous.. like nothing else in the world. Just realizing the true horror of our modern technological "utopia" is enough to make me want to kill myself.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
#23693359 - 09/30/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Very sad and poignant post....Thanks Asante.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante] 1
#23693445 - 09/30/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can't watch the videos right now but
"Dysprosium reserves, for example, might last as long as 2050 – but it's also possible that they'll run out by 2020. And if they do, then the 2019 iPhone might have to last you longer than you think."
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/our-smartphone-addiction-is-costing-the-earth-1299378
Reckless resource consumption is a major problem. So many people counter it with "we will find replacements before they're used up!"
I don't know why you think we will magically find replacements for all these precious minerals other than that's just what you want to think. We have depended on earths minerals for thousands of years and we won't be going back without catastrophe. We need to conserve and recycle now if we don't want our children to live in a world without a host of resources. Which will eventually include clean water. Which we can clean dirty water. But we need resources to do that.
Shits closer to falling apart than most people believe.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23693457 - 09/30/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just about everyone believes it's falling apart. The glass is half full still. We have some time.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23693458 - 09/30/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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all for the sake of making some CEOs very rich. Apple are just a bunch of geniuses! 
PS: most of us here are guilty of allowing consumerism to run our lives and run people in the world into the ground, and for what? some of the cheapest devices known to man...and Android phones.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#23693473 - 09/30/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: PS: most of us here are guilty of allowing consumerism to run our lives and run people in the world into the ground, and for what? some of the cheapest devices known to man...and Android phones.
Not even most of us. It's every last person who posts here. Our lifestyles are largely incompatible with anti-consumerism, because we are consumed by it completely in nearly every aspect of it lives.
Is it something we can really stop though? Seems like the world needs to sort it's finite resource issues before any kind of cultural change will happen worldwide. That may take hundreds more years.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: Ooh, you Americans can vote for a moron or a bitch? HOW FUCKING EXCITING!! But you got some kid's bones stuck in your teeth, mate.
you mean the bitch that ran the state department and could have cut the foreign aid to countries like Rwanda or the moron that appointed that secretary. the very same moron that wrote the very law that would allow the former secretary of state that now runs for president that did not cut foreign aid, the moron that has not advised his current secretary of state to cut aid to those exploiting the congolese
you're right, these neoliberals are the devil
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23693538 - 09/30/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol...Pris...you're incorrigible. No let up in you is there?
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The thing is tho, without overconsumption, our economy doubles over on itself. People need to constantly be spending money, production needs to be constantly running, in order for people to have jobs and retain the value of their assets. Everyone loses if you end overconsumption at this point. The entire economic model needs to be remade. That's the only way to fix goddamn near anything in our society.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante] 1
#23693701 - 09/30/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Meh, I could care less.
I have come to the conclusion that I have absolutely no ethical obligation or responsibility towards the world or society.
I never chose to be born. I was forced into existence. I never made a conscious decision to join the game of life. Thus, I am not required to play the game of life a certain way or even take it seriously.
Whatever problems exist in the world, be it famine, violence, exploitation, etc aren't my problem. I'm not ethically obligated to spend even a second of my time trying to fix it.
If it were up to me, I would choose to make the whole universe disappear. If nothing existed, not a single sentient being would ever have to suffer.
But alas, it's not up to me. I'm just a victim who was forced into this universe without my consent.
Growing up, I've always heard the stupid phrase "the world owes you nothing." To that I reply "I don't owe the world anything."
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#23693782 - 09/30/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it weren't your problem you wouldn't be so bitter about it.
No one chooses the life they come into. But they can make choices on what they do with their life. If you have the mentality of a helpless victim you will always be a helpless victim.
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#23693966 - 09/30/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not really bitter actually, I'm emotionally detached.
I think it's very important to constantly be aware of the fact that you never consciously chose to be born. It's something that very few people in society acknowledge, but to me it's a very important realization.
I refuse to feel obligated to follow any set of specific moral principles when the truth of the matter is that I was forced into this earth without my consent.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Alexestalex]
#23694045 - 09/30/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I focus on things I can change. Foreign policy is not exactly one of those. My Galaxy S7 active has an IP-68 water rating (waterproof for periods of time), and I fucking love it. I would trade it for a congolese child's life in a heartbeat, but I can't, so instead I use a sweet fucking phone that I use in the shower.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Thayendanegea]
#23694054 - 09/30/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thayendanegea said: lol...Pris...you're incorrigible. No let up in you is there?
didnt obama write the bill that would put a stranglehold on the nations that have been using those US tax dollars to oppress and exterminate the congolese people?
was it all democrat lip service since obama didnt stop funding rwanda?
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23694073 - 09/30/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: The thing is tho, without overconsumption, our economy doubles over on itself. People need to constantly be spending money, production needs to be constantly running, in order for people to have jobs and retain the value of their assets. Everyone loses if you end overconsumption at this point. The entire economic model needs to be remade. That's the only way to fix goddamn near anything in our society.
If society at large could agree on anything, things could change fast.

It seems we've collectively decided to wait until our civilization crashes and most of us starve to death, before coming up with a solution. Only a relatively small segment of society actually cares enough about these things to change their lifestyle.
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#23694087 - 09/30/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: didnt obama write the bill that would put a stranglehold on the nations that have been using those US tax dollars to oppress and exterminate the congolese people?
was it all democrat lip service since obama didnt stop funding rwanda?
People that don't recognize obama as a war criminal are; boneheads, knuckleheads, fatheads, buttheads, numbskulls, numbnuts, dumb-asses, doofuses, clods, dunderheads, ditzes, lummoxes, knuckle-draggers, dipsticks, thickheads, meatheads, meatballs, wooden-headed, airheads, pinheads, lamer, lamebrained, peabrained, birdbrained, mouth-breathers, scissorbills, donkeys, nitwits, twits, boobs, twerps, hosers, schmucks, bozos, turkeys, chowderheads, dingbats and mooks;
You can't argue with someone who doesn't consider your argument seriously.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23694102 - 09/30/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What segments though? Unless they've gone to the forest to live off the land, they are just as entangled in the mess as the rest of us. Small segment indeed.
Not buying phones for the small amounts of mineral resource in then is one small sliver of a larger pie. Food, oil, toilets, buildings, light bulbs, cars and our pet dogs are all part of the same mess, a conflict of lifestyle and ethical behavior.
I'd argue that they aren't going to change. Even if the economy crashes. Even when we run out of oil hundreds of years from now. Even if famine hits us all, we won't find solutions, only ways to continually adapt.
So the issue shouldn't be that we're buying cell phones necessarily, but in what ways you can supply the cellphone manufacturers with sustainable, conflict free pieces. It's much easier to resolve such a conflict, to end a war or to stop a company from sourcing stuff from blood than it is to change the human desire for what amounts to stuff.
Edited by PatrickKn (09/30/16 01:41 PM)
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Thayendanegea said: lol...Pris...you're incorrigible. No let up in you is there?
didnt obama write the bill that would put a stranglehold on the nations that have been using those US tax dollars to oppress and exterminate the congolese people?
was it all democrat lip service since obama didnt stop funding rwanda?
I don't know man and I really don't have time to look it up right now. But, the fact is...every administration has let these people down...Just shows how their culture has been so affected by the almighty $.This is not so different than our own gold rush that wiped out thousands of Indians because they were on the land that had much of the gold during the fever that took hold in California....Nez Peerce, I think...eventually companies took over and pretty much used settlers as near slave labor to work the mines. It's all about greed. Anyway, have a nice weekend.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: falsereality]
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Prisoner#1 said: didnt obama write the bill that would put a stranglehold on the nations that have been using those US tax dollars to oppress and exterminate the congolese people?
was it all democrat lip service since obama didnt stop funding rwanda?
People that don't recognize obama as a war criminal are; boneheads, knuckleheads, fatheads, buttheads, numbskulls, numbnuts, dumb-asses, doofuses, clods, dunderheads, ditzes, lummoxes, knuckle-draggers, dipsticks, thickheads, meatheads, meatballs, wooden-headed, airheads, pinheads, lamer, lamebrained, peabrained, birdbrained, mouth-breathers, scissorbills, donkeys, nitwits, twits, boobs, twerps, hosers, schmucks, bozos, turkeys, chowderheads, dingbats and mooks;
You can't argue with someone who doesn't consider your argument seriously.
so basically liberals and the UN... speaking of the UN and liberals
why is the UN passing judgement on the US for not giving a bunch of slave reparations money to people that were never slaves but they remain remotely silent until they pick up their fancy new smart phones to tell us the US is evil, why havent the liberals destroyed their iphones and ipads and macbooks in order to tell the people of the DR Congo that they stand in solidarity with them... are the liberals the evil ones because they buy these devices that keep an entire nation in chains until they've outlived their usefulness and are murdered by their oppressors?
sure, a liberal can post a video and say 'intelligently discuss' but what is that liberal going to do to combat the murder of millions of people
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Thayendanegea]
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It's the same as people tearing down the Amazon, displacing species and human tribes in the process so they can make room for land to grow grass feed and food on.
We can blame people's greed and desire for money, but it falls on us all. We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said: We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.
and that sums it all up
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23694136 - 09/30/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its not all or nothing, the problem is over consumption, moderation would cut down waste significantly. You can do the math on your overall impact, mine is a fraction of the average Americans, without trying all that hard.
Overpopulation doesn't help either
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We can blame people's greed and desire for money, but it falls on us all. We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.
I disagree completely, people use resources at different rates
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
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So you like to take the blame for other peoples savagery? Way to carry the worlds sin over there.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
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The people who use resources at lower rates can do so because other people invest more resources to make it convenient for them to do so.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Even Obama said the responsibility lies with the people that live in that region of the world, NOT US. This is probably the smartest statement that idiot has made in a very long time.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: qman]
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I'd disagree. I'm not against trade laws preventing purchase of bloodied resources. I wouldn't be opposed to the US banning slave chocolate.
But then China would just get them at a lower rate as well, not fixing the issue long term. It's a complicated balance that's not likely to fix itself anytime soon.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said: The people who use resources at lower rates can do so because other people invest more resources to make it convenient for them to do so.
Not really, if anything the opposite is true, if one wants to deal with society you have to go out of your way not to waste.
Cutting back meat / dairy consumption will reduce one's waste significantly, possibly more than anything depending on your lifestyle, that is entirely in the individuals hand. No one is investing additional resources in carrots to make it happen. Same for vehicles, prepackaging, fixing stuff instead of throwing it out.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said: I'd disagree. I'm not against trade laws preventing purchase of bloodied resources. I wouldn't be opposed to the US banning slave chocolate.
But then China would just get them at a lower rate as well, not fixing the issue long term. It's a complicated balance that's not likely to fix itself anytime soon.
They are acting like uncivilized animals over there, what else is new? They have the hardest time governing themselves.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: qman]
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qman said: Even Obama said the responsibility lies with the people that live in that region of the world, NOT US. This is probably the smartest statement that idiot has made in a very long time.
so you're saying that Obama's legislation to cut foreign aid tho those in that region was just him trying to gain more support for his political career, that's just crazy, obama couldnt possibly do something like that
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
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PatrickKn said: The people who use resources at lower rates can do so because other people invest more resources to make it convenient for them to do so.
Not really, if anything the opposite is true, if one wants to deal with society you have to go out of your way not to waste.
Cutting back meat / dairy consumption will reduce one's waste significantly, possibly more than anything depending on your lifestyle, that is entirely in the individuals hand. No one is investing additional resources in carrots to make it happen. Same for vehicles, prepackaging, fixing stuff instead of throwing it out.
These are fair points, but even the vegetarian is entangled with the butcher at times. He might rent a house from a realtor that buys the meat.
On the larger scale, how much material resource is expensed in the creation of a single atomic warhead? Or for the upkeep of an airport or amusement park?
But I don't disagree with the idea that it consumption was reduced the problems associated would be mitigated, it's true. But for every person who swears off technology for a few months, there is a fisherman pulling in a net with thousands of fish, sometimes the only source of protein for people in certain areas.
I ascribe to the idea that as the quality of life goes up world wide, the number of children per couple will decrease, plateauing the population. When we reach this point, the world will be better equipped to change how it consumes. It will be better suited to establishing new ecosystems to replace the ones we've destroyed.
International trade and communication has created the monster, however it must be used to fix the problems as well. The best way to fix it all would be for the world to focus on bringing the standard of living up worldwide.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
#23694376 - 09/30/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man it's Friday, why are you trying to make me hate myself on a Friday? Can't you do that on Monday when I'm already halfway there?
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
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I see famine in the future, the population will equalize one way or another, but it looks to be too late for a smooth transition imo.
Things like amusement parks and excessive stockpiles of weapons are good examples of waste which could be avoided if society cared enough, which goes hand in hand with individual responsibility. Its not even a necessity to go to extremes like veganism and dismantling all our amusement parks, I don't think moderation would necessarily change our culture all that much.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
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Biyambo and Ibaka thou.
STRAIGHT UP CONGOLESE TERRORISTS!!!!
ON THE COURT!!
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Someone will always be cashing in on Africa since the days of colonialism. Im not in agreement with it, but I doubt blaming one party's policies or anothers will help at all.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
#23695569 - 09/30/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are given the opportunity to buy said "conflict" metals at a discount price and resell them for a huge profit. Would you profit or not?
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PatrickKn said: It's the same as people tearing down the Amazon, displacing species and human tribes in the process so they can make room for land to grow grass feed and food on.
We can blame people's greed and desire for money, but it falls on us all. We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.
or people grading land/cutting down old-growth forests/groves/trees or other means of drastically altering habitat, and diverting millions of gallons of water from small creeks that support various salmon and other organisms OR diverting water from surface springs which provide water during peak annual droughts for larger mammals/birds/insects all for some overpriced, somtimes labor-exploiting potentially synthetically grown cannabis
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Maybe someone can make a bunch of images about this? Show a buncha overworked, malnourished kids, put a corporate slogan over it or something, and then spread the images around the web?
"Think different" (Over a picture of a kid's corpse near one of those mines)
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FUCK THAT GUY 

He did it all in one relatively small country, not the entirety of europe, the USSR or China.










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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
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Yeah I don't know how Europe put up with him. "Say what is Leopold up to" "Oh he's just killing millions of Africans and cutting off their hands and feet if they don't meet their rubber quotas, NBD"
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Turtletotem said: Maybe someone can make a bunch of images about this? Show a buncha overworked, malnourished kids, put a corporate slogan over it or something, and then spread the images around the web?
"Think different" (Over a picture of a kid's corpse near one of those mines)










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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23763778 - 10/23/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well meme'd, you guys. Truly horiffic.
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moonrockmushy said: Yeah I don't know how Europe put up with him. "Say what is Leopold up to" "Oh he's just killing millions of Africans and cutting off their hands and feet if they don't meet their rubber quotas, NBD"
We are still putting op with these things now, so...
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
#23763792 - 10/23/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Well meme'd, you guys. Truly horiffic.
yeah but I dont care what happened to the congolians 90 years ago
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
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Ahab McBathsalts said: Biyambo and Ibaka thou.
STRAIGHT UP CONGOLESE TERRORISTS!!!!
ON THE COURT!!
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Turtletotem said: Well meme'd, you guys. Truly horiffic.
yeah but I dont care what happened to the congolians 90 years ago
It would be more effective to use current images, yeah. But those get censored hard time by our great media corporations, so good luck finding them.
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#23763932 - 10/23/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Well meme'd, you guys. Truly horiffic.
yeah but I dont care what happened to the congolians 90 years ago
It would be more effective to use current images, yeah. But those get censored hard time by our great media corporations, so good luck finding them.
so wait. if you found an image of genocide in the congo, you pasted the words on it, then MSNBC is going to take it down? it isnt difficult to find those images






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#23763964 - 10/23/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Horrifying stuff, Pris. Thanks for posting.
This is what our global system is, people. This is neo-liberal consumer driven capitalism. This is where your phone comes from. And your TV. The diamond in your wife's ring.
And the global powers would do this to us too, if it ever becomes the more profital option for them.
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#23763972 - 10/23/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey but look, they have color film now. It's not all bad. Capitalism in action.
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#23763976 - 10/23/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: Horrifying stuff, Pris. Thanks for posting.
This is what our global system is, people. This is neo-liberal consumer driven capitalism.
this is a local problem, it's corrupt governments exploiting their people, there is more money to be made when you arent killing your labor
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
#23763986 - 10/23/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Make a post about the White genocide in south Africa next.
your "my feelings" bullshit needs more diversity.
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This is also a global problem, because it is our governments and corporations that corrup their politicians, arm rebels that are allied to the corrupt, do business with the corrupt and make an insane profit on the coruption.
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#23763997 - 10/23/16 11:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apostle said: Make a post about the White genocide in south Africa next.
your "my feelings" bullshit needs more diversity.
Oh, sorry. I guess I didn't take your feelings and worldview into acount.
You see me all going on about how these blackies are dying, so you got all butthurt that I do not also talk about how whiteys are also also dying.
Maybe you can make that thread? I'll check it out.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
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Turtletotem said: This is also a global problem, because it is our governments and corporations that corrup their politicians, arm rebels that are allied to the corrupt, do business with the corrupt and make an insane profit on the coruption.
sounds like a consumer problem. destroy your electronics because all of them contain tantalum capacitors, refuse to buy another, go tot he apple store and distribute these images and smash the smart phones and ipads, destroy the chinese factories producing the goods and you'll have reduced the need for tantalum
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#23764010 - 10/23/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I guess I didn't take your feelings and worldview into acount.
That's more like it.
Even though i wasn't addressing you.
I could care less about either group but if i had to choose one it'd be the group that at least attempts to be civilized.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
#23764014 - 10/23/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: You see me all going on about how these blackies are dying, so you got all butthurt that I do not also talk about how whiteys are also also dying.
I could die of a heart attack at any second, that would be a real tragedy
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23764015 - 10/23/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Posting to research later.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: danielx]
#23764018 - 10/23/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23764022 - 10/23/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Turtletotem said: I guess I didn't take your feelings and worldview into acount.
That's more like it.
Even though i wasn't addressing you.
I could care less about either group but if i had to choose one it'd be the group that at least attempts to be civilized.
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Apostle said:
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Turtletotem said: I guess I didn't take your feelings and worldview into acount.
That's more like it.
Even though i wasn't addressing you.
I could care less about either group but if i had to choose one it'd be the group that at least attempts to be civilized.
Cape Verde people?
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Turtletotem said: This is also a global problem, because it is our governments and corporations that corrup their politicians, arm rebels that are allied to the corrupt, do business with the corrupt and make an insane profit on the coruption.
sounds like a consumer problem. destroy your electronics because all of them contain tantalum capacitors, refuse to buy another, go tot he apple store and distribute these images and smash the smart phones and ipads, destroy the chinese factories producing the goods and you'll have reduced the need for tantalum
Hey I'm all for it. Don't think you or I won't be next for these globalists if they can increase their wealth and power over our dead bodies, we're all in this together.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
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Oriana is the Town i was thinking of most recently but the White genocide thing has been a widespread problem down there for a while now.
Of course the blackss are trying to stop the Whites from being able to have there own community even though they aren't bothering anyone.
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#23764043 - 10/23/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Apostle said: Oriana is the Town i was thinking of most recently but the White genocide thing has been a widespread problem down there for a while now.
Of course the blackss are trying to stop the Whites from being able to have there own community even though they aren't bothering anyone.
People are the same all over, eh?
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
#23764048 - 10/23/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, they're not.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Apostle]
#23764052 - 10/23/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been all over, and they kinda are in my experience.
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I am pretty well traveled myself and am no stranger to the ways of the North American Pavement ape. Especially having been to prison.
We simply are not the same and the fiasco in Europe is a testament to this fact.
I can't imagine what they go through since they deal with an even more savage breed of undesirables coming from war torn countries.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
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Prisoner#1 said: sounds like a consumer problem. destroy your electronics because all of them contain tantalum capacitors, refuse to buy another, go tot he apple store and distribute these images and smash the smart phones and ipads, destroy the chinese factories producing the goods and you'll have reduced the need for tantalum
Hey I'm all for it. Don't think you or I won't be next for these globalists if they can increase their wealth and power over our dead bodies, we're all in this together.
dont be like the rest of the white liberals, jump on it
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
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A while ago I heard about the environmental impact of touchscreen production in Asia, saw sone pics of the sludge pits in Malaysia and it made me sick. So now I only get used phones or use a flip phone. It's like Theravadan monks that will only eat peoples' leftovers so that their resources don't directly go to killing anything, even a vegetable. I didn't even know about the Congo part of it all. I haven't used a smartphone in maybe 8-9 months, because my last one finally died. Not having a smartphone in hand all the time, it becomes really apparent that our society is addicted to the fucking things. The world has become background noise for the smartphone experience.
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At this point of the Congolese history it's hard to see how they will manage to free themselves of foreign interests.
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These Congolese are massacring the courts.
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abltsandwich said: A while ago I heard about the environmental impact of touchscreen production in Asia, saw sone pics of the sludge pits in Malaysia and it made me sick. So now I only get used phones or use a flip phone. It's like Theravadan monks that will only eat peoples' leftovers so that their resources don't directly go to killing anything, even a vegetable. I didn't even know about the Congo part of it all. I haven't used a smartphone in maybe 8-9 months, because my last one finally died. Not having a smartphone in hand all the time, it becomes really apparent that our society is addicted to the fucking things. The world has become background noise for the smartphone experience.
That is a really good post, thanks man. Only eating people's left overs.. there's something to it, you know? A way to be a part of this society without comprimising the right way of living.
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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Turtletotem]
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I guess it's like buying charity shop clothes, and not new clothes.
Make the sweat shop fabrics stretch further.
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