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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23694102 - 09/30/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What segments though? Unless they've gone to the forest to live off the land, they are just as entangled in the mess as the rest of us. Small segment indeed.

Not buying phones for the small amounts of mineral resource in then is one small sliver of a larger pie. Food, oil, toilets, buildings, light bulbs, cars and our pet dogs are all part of the same mess, a conflict of lifestyle and ethical behavior.

I'd argue that they aren't going to change. Even if the economy crashes. Even when we run out of oil hundreds of years from now. Even if famine hits us all, we won't find solutions, only ways to continually adapt.

So the issue shouldn't be that we're buying cell phones necessarily, but in what ways you can supply the cellphone manufacturers with sustainable, conflict free pieces. It's much easier to resolve such a conflict, to end a war or to stop a company from sourcing stuff from blood than it is to change the human desire for what amounts to stuff.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23694103 - 09/30/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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lol...Pris...you're incorrigible. No let up in you is there?





didnt obama write the bill that would put a stranglehold on the nations that have
been using those US tax dollars to oppress and exterminate the congolese people?

was it all democrat lip service since obama didnt stop funding rwanda?



I don't know man and I really don't have time to look it up right now. But, the fact is...every administration has let these people down...Just shows how their culture has been so affected by the almighty $.This is not so different than our own gold rush that wiped out thousands of Indians because they were on the land that had much of the gold during the fever that took hold in California....Nez Peerce, I think...eventually companies took over and pretty much used settlers as near slave labor to work the mines. It's all about greed. Anyway, have a nice weekend.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: falsereality]
    #23694109 - 09/30/16 01:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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didnt obama write the bill that would put a stranglehold on the nations that have
been using those US tax dollars to oppress and exterminate the congolese people?

was it all democrat lip service since obama didnt stop funding rwanda?




People that don't recognize obama as a war criminal are; boneheads, knuckleheads, fatheads, buttheads, numbskulls, numbnuts, dumb-asses, doofuses, clods, dunderheads, ditzes, lummoxes, knuckle-draggers, dipsticks, thickheads, meatheads, meatballs, wooden-headed, airheads, pinheads, lamer, lamebrained, peabrained, birdbrained, mouth-breathers, scissorbills, donkeys, nitwits, twits, boobs, twerps, hosers, schmucks, bozos, turkeys, chowderheads, dingbats and mooks;

You can't argue with someone who doesn't consider your argument seriously.





so basically liberals and the UN... speaking of the UN and liberals

why is the UN passing judgement on the US for not giving a bunch of slave
reparations money to people that were never slaves but they remain remotely
silent until they pick up their fancy new smart phones to tell us the US is
evil, why havent the liberals destroyed their iphones and ipads and macbooks
in order to tell the people of the DR Congo that they stand in solidarity with
them... are the liberals the evil ones because they buy these devices that keep
an entire nation in chains until they've outlived their usefulness and are
murdered by their oppressors?


sure, a liberal can post a video and say 'intelligently discuss' but what is that
liberal going to do to combat the murder of millions of people


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23694120 - 09/30/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's the same as people tearing down the Amazon, displacing species and human tribes in the process so they can make room for land to grow grass feed and food on.

We can blame people's greed and desire for money, but it falls on us all. We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694132 - 09/30/16 01:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.




and that sums it all up


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694136 - 09/30/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Its not all or nothing, the problem is over consumption, moderation would cut down waste significantly.
You can do the math on your overall impact, mine is a fraction of the average Americans, without trying all that hard.

Overpopulation doesn't help either


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694144 - 09/30/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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We can blame people's greed and desire for money, but it falls on us all. We are all completely complicit, even when we are morally against it.




I disagree completely, people use resources at different rates


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
    #23694148 - 09/30/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you like to take the blame for other peoples savagery? Way to carry the worlds sin over there.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23694151 - 09/30/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The people who use resources at lower rates can do so because other people invest more resources to make it convenient for them to do so.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23694155 - 09/30/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Even Obama said the responsibility lies with the people that live in that region of the world, NOT US.  This is probably the smartest statement that idiot has made in a very long time.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: qman]
    #23694160 - 09/30/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'd disagree. I'm not against trade laws preventing purchase of bloodied resources. I wouldn't be opposed to the US banning slave chocolate.

But then China would just get them at a lower rate as well, not fixing the issue long term. It's a complicated balance that's not likely to fix itself anytime soon.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694164 - 09/30/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The people who use resources at lower rates can do so because other people invest more resources to make it convenient for them to do so.




Not really, if anything the opposite is true, if one wants to deal with society you have to go out of your way not to waste.

Cutting back meat / dairy consumption will reduce one's waste significantly, possibly more than anything depending on your lifestyle, that is entirely in the individuals hand. No one is investing additional resources in carrots to make it happen.
Same for vehicles, prepackaging, fixing stuff instead of throwing it out.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694166 - 09/30/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'd disagree. I'm not against trade laws preventing purchase of bloodied resources. I wouldn't be opposed to the US banning slave chocolate.

But then China would just get them at a lower rate as well, not fixing the issue long term. It's a complicated balance that's not likely to fix itself anytime soon.




They are acting like uncivilized animals over there, what else is new?  They have the hardest time governing themselves.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: qman]
    #23694177 - 09/30/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Even Obama said the responsibility lies with the people that live in that region of the world, NOT US.  This is probably the smartest statement that idiot has made in a very long time.





so you're saying that Obama's legislation to cut foreign aid tho those in that
region was just him trying to gain more support for his political career, that's
just crazy, obama couldnt possibly do something like that


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23694287 - 09/30/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:
The people who use resources at lower rates can do so because other people invest more resources to make it convenient for them to do so.




Not really, if anything the opposite is true, if one wants to deal with society you have to go out of your way not to waste.

Cutting back meat / dairy consumption will reduce one's waste significantly, possibly more than anything depending on your lifestyle, that is entirely in the individuals hand. No one is investing additional resources in carrots to make it happen.
Same for vehicles, prepackaging, fixing stuff instead of throwing it out.



These are fair points, but even the vegetarian is entangled with the butcher at times. He might rent a house from a realtor that buys the meat.

On the larger scale, how much material resource is expensed in the creation of a single atomic warhead? Or for the upkeep of an airport or amusement park?

But I don't disagree with the idea that it consumption was reduced the problems associated would be mitigated, it's true. But for every person who swears off technology for a few months, there is a fisherman pulling in a net with thousands of fish, sometimes the only source of protein for people in certain areas.

I ascribe to the idea that as the quality of life goes up world wide, the number of children per couple will decrease, plateauing the population. When we reach this point, the world will be better equipped to change how it consumes. It will be better suited to establishing new ecosystems to replace the ones we've destroyed.

International trade and communication has created the monster, however it must be used to fix the problems as well. The best way to fix it all would be for the world to focus on bringing the standard of living up worldwide.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
    #23694376 - 09/30/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Man it's Friday, why are you trying to make me hate myself on a Friday? Can't you do that on Monday when I'm already halfway there? :sad:


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694889 - 09/30/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I see famine in the future, the population will equalize one way or another, but it looks to be too late for a smooth transition imo.

Things like amusement parks and excessive stockpiles of weapons are good examples of waste which could be avoided if society cared enough, which goes hand in hand with individual responsibility. Its not even a necessity to go to extremes like veganism and dismantling all our amusement parks, I don't think moderation would necessarily change our culture all that much.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23695016 - 09/30/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Biyambo and Ibaka thou.


STRAIGHT UP CONGOLESE TERRORISTS!!!!


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23695538 - 09/30/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Someone will always be cashing in on Africa since the days of colonialism. Im not in agreement with it, but I doubt blaming one party's policies or anothers will help at all.


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Re: The Congolese Genocide you pay for with your cheap smartphone and computer. [Re: Asante]
    #23695569 - 09/30/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You are given the opportunity to buy said "conflict" metals at a discount price and resell them for a huge profit. Would you profit or not?


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