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sporeworker
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mono sub. depth?
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doing a rye monotub whats the min/max depth of substrate needed in tote? (will have a lite casing layer if that has a factor) #first time questions
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Edited by sporeworker (09/29/16 08:18 PM)
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As close to 4 as possible
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is it a min/max depth thing or a general 'rule of thumb' depth? thx
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3-4 is the rule of thumb
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The more sub, the better water retention
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makes sense am i correct in understanding once colonized sub is put in mono the holes are to be cover with micropore tape until pinning starts then uncover & plug with polyfill? thx for all the help!
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Spawn and sub are different the spawn is your colonized grain then you spawn that to your sub then if you want to tape your holes use duct or painters tape micropore will induce fruiting
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The spawn is mixed with the sub in a lined/unlined monotub. Holes are to be TAPED shut ( not micropore) until colonized (some people fruit when mixed) then polyfil or micropore tape replaces the sealed tape.
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also is there a nutritional substrate that would colonize to stretch my current rye/substrate ratio so i can obtain a larger surface area for larger tub? (all sub. is in a pre pasturized in bag for original ratio)
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The most common substrate used is coir
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Hpoo, coir, straw, ect.... there is alot of threads that will teach you everything man i know starting off its overwhelming but read read read you will go alot further and understand everything much better
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ok that helps, figure its better to ask those who know rather than fuckin something up lol i understand the spawn vs substrate, i have 2 rye bags almost ready to go i just screwed up on my ratio of spawn x sub. so im going to have to use a MUCH smaller tub than expected unless i can think outside the box all you can do is learn sometimes
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How big is your mono? How many quarts of grain
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iv read what iv been able to find/access, i havnt done much posting just reading however its telling me i have to post to access certain write-ups any links on rye bags, sub. recipes, tips, ext are all greatly appreciated!
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i havnt picked my mono yet due to this concern plus im waiting on my rye to finish. i have 2 1 lb bags of spawn & 5 of my sub. + 1LB casing >i have mico(ported& patched) bags, rye & a impulse sealer however being new to monos this time around i ordered my rye bags from my myco supplier because i wanted a clean 'trial run'
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iv read allot about coir mixes & plan to make my own (coir is one of the easier supplies i can come by locally) in the future just going through the next learning curb
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2 inch tubs rule as one flush wonders. 3 to 4 inches to hold more water on later flush ones. If your unsure able the spawn at all spawn to less sub about 2 inches
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I dont know how much 2 pound of grain is i never weigh it but i cant figure it is much maybe 3 -4 qts?? Id say get a 45 qt mono you should be safe one tgat isnt long and a bit taller
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1qt =2.2lbs in a sugar measurement
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sporeworker said: doing a rye monotub whats the min/max depth of substrate needed in tote? (will have a lite casing layer if that has a factor) #first time questions 
mix your rye with substrate (like maybe CVG) at a 2.5" depth. Use a ratio between 1:1 spawn:sub - 1:4 spawn:sub. Then you can case or whatever you want.
Don't just case grains, they dry out too easily and that invites contaminates.
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dankington said: Don't just case grains, they dry out too easily and that invites contaminates.
I use to case grains all the time with no issues. Would I recommend it to a novice? Not really. But there are times and reasons for it. My reason? Too lazy to go harvest hpoo from the grandparents house.
Before doing it I always heard rumors that it causes a lot of muties. I didn't believe that at all until I started doing it. You can get some real interesting fruits. Even a 50/50 spawn ratio can cause some cool ones.
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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: RyeJar]
#23714725 - 10/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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finally found tub i think will work well, tried to find one as close to the 45qt Offlinenoob47 suggested best i found was a 40qt (21"L X 16"W X 11.5"H) Think it will work well, grain is almost ready to go & eyeballing grain+sub. i think i should get close to a 2-4" layer after light casing thx 4 the help guys
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IAmABanana said: Once pin heads form, stop misting the casing. Water is not the only factor in determining fruit size. Another major factor is substrate depth. What species is this anyway? (I'm assuming cubensis).
The casing doesn't really hold much moisture, it provides a micro climate for primordia growth. The water content should not be an issue on the first flush.
Sorry, but that is flat-out wrong. I can't just let it slide. I've worked for many years to overcome bad advice that was given out in the early days when mushrooms growing was not understood.
NEVER stop misting. Growing mushrooms require moisture AND fresh air. If you're providing the proper amount of fresh air, your fruits and your substrate will dry out. This leads to small fruits. You MUST mist from the pin stage all the way to mature fruits if you want a proper flush.
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The casing doesn't really hold much moisture
Again, incorrect. The purpose of a casing layer(when used) is to hold moisture to support the flush. By misting, or even pouring water directly on the casing layer surface, the mycelium that has partially colonized the casing can absorb this moisture and carry it to the substrate, where it can help the developing mushrooms to grow.
The reason deeper substrates support larger flushes and fruits is because larger substrates hold more moisture. If you give proper moisture control to small substrates, they will perform well too. It's all about water, as can be seen by the picture below of very large mushrooms on a very small substrate. It's all about misting and fresh air, from initiation through harvest. RR
 don't worry about depth, worry about how to get your conditions so that you can't see your substrate after pinning.
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iv always been a believer in misting throughout the whole life of cubes even against others 'advice' lol been a PF guy for yrs but its finally time to graduate to gye & tubs, ext
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was curious as far as FAE iv always been a "fanning guy" but I have run into posts with aquarium bubble-tubes, is the theory behind this positive pressure or more of a "supplied air concept" in place of traditional fanning? more efficient?
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<<< fan free since 2013..
Just dial in your tub like a boss. Fuck air pumps and tubes and shit. You should just buy a bong instead of that shit.
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fanning doesn't do anything. it's only to remove mist. you don't need to replace fanning, it was never necessary to begin with. FAE should be passive and 24/7 if you had to rely on fanning you would have to fan 6 times an hour.
misting is important but fanning a SGFC is like rolling a window down on a motorcycle. with all those holes the entire purpose of fanning got distorted over the years into being bigger than it ever was. it originally was just to remove suspended mist after misting, you swipe the lid across the tub one time not even really "fanning" but just one fan. and it still is only to serve that purpose.
that tub I just posted was misted 2-3 times ever from spawning to harvest and not fanned once.
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so just mist a couple times a day & allow FAE through polyfill by itself? also do i follow this same method when FAE holes are covered during consolidation of tub before adding polyfill?
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What tek are you following for monotubs. Try one that addresses those questions will be a good idea
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at the moment im not really following a written tek just learning as i go. its a rye berry, compost (supplier/sponsor made) & a thin casing layer that also came from sponsor. Plan is to add everything to tub mentioned above lined in black plastic, seal holes during consolidation/pinning, then stuff holes with polyfill during fruit & interduce to lights. >just wanna do a couple small tubs to learn & get methods down so i can utilize some different teks as i already have filter bags & a impulse sealer <
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Light is good during all stages. You can use clear plastic too
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well sub came to a depth of 2.5" (with a very light casing layer) just went with the layering method starting & ending with compost layers. lined with thick black painters tarp left 2" above sub layer. misting about once daily & allowing light, noticing patches of growth already >amazonian strain
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Edited by sporeworker (10/12/16 12:59 PM)
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everything looking good! Now just sit back & watch natures beauty @ work
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