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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: dankington]
    #23693007 - 09/30/16 05:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Don't just case grains, they dry out too easily and that invites contaminates.




I use to case grains all the time with no issues.  Would I recommend it to a novice?  Not really.  But there are times and reasons for it.  My reason?  Too lazy to go harvest hpoo from the grandparents house. 

Before doing it I always heard rumors that it causes a lot of muties.  I didn't believe that at all until I started doing it.  You can get some real interesting fruits. Even a 50/50 spawn ratio can cause some cool ones.


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: RyeJar]
    #23714725 - 10/06/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

finally found tub i think will work well, tried to find one as close to the 45qt Offlinenoob47 suggested  best i found was a 40qt (21"L X 16"W X 11.5"H) Think it will work well, grain is almost ready to go & eyeballing grain+sub. i think i should get close to a 2-4" layer after light casing :cool:  thx 4 the help guys:mushroom2:


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23714736 - 10/06/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Once pin heads form, stop misting the casing. Water is not the only factor in determining fruit size. Another major factor is substrate depth. What species is this anyway? (I'm assuming cubensis).

The casing doesn't really hold much moisture, it provides a micro climate for primordia growth. The water content should not be an issue on the first flush.




Sorry, but that is flat-out wrong.  I can't just let it slide.  I've worked for many years to overcome bad advice that was given out in the early days when mushrooms growing was not understood.

NEVER stop misting.  Growing mushrooms require moisture AND fresh air.  If you're providing the proper amount of fresh air, your fruits and your substrate will dry out.  This leads to small fruits.  You MUST mist from the pin stage all the way to mature fruits if you want a proper flush.

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The casing doesn't really hold much moisture



Again, incorrect.  The purpose of a casing layer(when used) is to hold moisture to support the flush.  By misting, or even pouring water directly on the casing layer surface, the mycelium that has partially colonized the casing can absorb this moisture and carry it to the substrate, where it can help the developing mushrooms to grow.

The reason deeper substrates support larger flushes and fruits is because larger substrates hold more moisture.  If you give proper moisture control to small substrates, they will perform well too.  It's all about water, as can be seen by the picture below of very large mushrooms on a very small substrate.  It's all about misting and fresh air, from initiation through harvest.
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don't worry about depth, worry about how to get your conditions so that you can't see your substrate after pinning.


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23714766 - 10/06/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: iv always been a believer in misting throughout the whole life of cubes even against others 'advice':crazy2: lol  been a PF guy for yrs but its finally time to graduate to gye & tubs, ext :mushroom2:


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23714771 - 10/06/16 11:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

was curious as far as FAE iv always been a "fanning guy" but I have run into posts with aquarium bubble-tubes, is the theory behind this positive pressure or more of a "supplied air concept" in place of traditional fanning?  more efficient? :confused:


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23714786 - 10/06/16 11:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

<<< fan free since 2013..

Just dial in your tub like a boss. Fuck air pumps and tubes and shit. You should just buy a bong instead of that shit.


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23714790 - 10/06/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

fanning doesn't do anything. it's only to remove mist. you don't need to replace fanning, it was never necessary to begin with. FAE should be passive and 24/7 if you had to rely on fanning you would have to fan 6 times an hour.

misting is important but fanning a SGFC is like rolling a window down on a motorcycle. with all those holes the entire purpose of fanning got distorted over the years into being bigger than it ever was. it originally was just to remove suspended mist after misting, you swipe the lid across the tub one time not even really "fanning" but just one fan. and it still is only to serve that purpose.

that tub I just posted was misted 2-3 times ever from spawning to harvest and not fanned once.


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23714806 - 10/06/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup: so just mist a couple times a day & allow FAE through polyfill by itself?  also do i follow this same method when FAE holes are covered during consolidation of tub before adding polyfill?


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23714817 - 10/07/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What tek are you following for monotubs. Try one that addresses those questions will be a good idea


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23714851 - 10/07/16 12:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

at the moment im not really following a written tek  just learning as i go.  its a rye berry, compost (supplier/sponsor made) & a thin casing layer that also came from sponsor.  Plan is to add everything to tub mentioned above lined in black plastic, seal holes during consolidation/pinning, then stuff holes with polyfill during fruit & interduce to lights.  >just wanna do a couple small tubs to learn & get methods down so i can utilize some different teks as i already have filter bags & a impulse sealer:wink:<


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23715471 - 10/07/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Light is good during all stages. You can use clear plastic too


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23729585 - 10/11/16 09:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well sub came to a depth of 2.5" (with a very light casing layer)  just went with the layering method starting & ending with compost layers. lined with thick black painters tarp left 2" above sub layer. misting about once daily & allowing light, noticing patches of growth already:ooo:  >amazonian strain


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Re: mono sub. depth? [Re: sporeworker]
    #23738093 - 10/14/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

everything looking good!:grin:      Now just sit back & watch natures beauty @ work :mushroom2:


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