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DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban
    #23691689 - 09/29/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban
September 29, 2016
By Pat Anson, Editor

A spokesman for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration says there is no timetable yet for kratom to be formally classified as a Schedule I controlled substance – a move that would make the sale and possession of the herb a felony.

Under an emergency scheduling order published in the Federal Register last month, the DEA could schedule kratom as an illegal drug as early as Friday, September 30. But that appears to be increasingly unlikely.

“I don’t have a timetable. It could be this week, could be in the future, I just don’t know,” DEA spokesman Rusty Payne told Pain News Network.

Since the DEA announced its plans on August 30, online kratom suppliers have hurriedly shipped orders to deplete their inventory and tens of thousands of consumers have stocked up on the herb, which many use to treat chronic pain and other medical conditions.
An unprecedented grassroots lobbying campaign was also launched to get the DEA to reverse or postpone its decision. Over 135,000 people signed a petition asking the Obama administration to stop the DEA, and hundreds of kratom supporters rallied in front of the White House. 

A bipartisan group of congressmen in the House also signed a joint letter asking the agency to delay the scheduling of kratom to allow for public comment.

Now a second letter to the DEA is circulating in the U.S. Senate that calls the scheduling of kratom “unprecedented for a natural substance” and urges a delay.

The letter was drafted by Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the powerful chair of the Senate Finance Committee, who has long maintained an interest in supporting the dietary supplement industry.

All of this has apparently made the DEA think twice about scheduling kratom, at least for the time being.

“What we’re hearing from the DEA today is that it’s not going to happen tomorrow (Friday), but that it’s still going to happen,” said Susan Ash, founder of the American Kratom Association, a consumer group that promotes the use of kratom for medical reasons.

“I’m hoping and praying for some kind of negotiation or compromise. But it sounds like the DEA has dug in because they’re trying to save face. The level of calls that they are receiving and the level of complaints there are receiving is nothing like ever before. We are not a bunch a bunch of drugged out people. If we were, we wouldn’t be on the phone to DEA, congress people and our senators pleading with them to step in and get a delay.”

Acting on the advice of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the DEA moved to classify kratom as a Schedule I substance – alongside heroin, LSD and marijuana – without any public notice or comment. The DEA maintains that kratom, which comes from the leaves of a tree that grows in Southeast Asia, poses “an imminent hazard to public safety” and has been linked to several deaths.

However, in a survey of over 6,000 kratom consumers by Pain News Network and the American Kratom Association, 98 percent said kratom was not a harmful or dangerous substance and 95% said banning the herb will have a harmful effect on society.  The vast majority said they use the herb in teas and supplements to treat chronic pain, anxiety, depression, addiction or other medical issues. And many say they will continue using kratom even it is scheduled as a controlled substance.

“We need to be very careful about what we put into Schedule I, especially with limited data. I think that’s a huge mistake,” says John Burke, president of Pharmaceutical Diversion Education, which educates law enforcement and healthcare professionals about prescription drug abuse and diversion.

“What if it’s a legitimate drug that can help people? And now we’re going to make criminals out of them. I just think it’s awfully fast. I would hope that if it is Schedule I that it is given a huge window of research and experimentation. To me, if 6,000 people say it’s helping me, that tells me there’s a promise there and we ought to be exploiting it.”

If and when kratom is turned into a controlled substance, it will fall in line behind a long list of illegal drugs the DEA is already struggling – some would say failing -- to control.

“Our priorities would not change. Anybody that’s in violation of the CSA (Controlled Substance Act) runs the risk of arrest and prosecution,” says DEA spokesman Rusty Payne. “That said, right now our biggest problem is the opioid epidemic; fentanyl, heroin, prescription drugs, fentanyl compounds from China, designer synthetic drugs. That’s the biggest priority right now that we’re dealing with.”

http://www.painnewsnetwork.org/stories/2016/9/29/dea-no-timetable-for-kratom-ban




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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23691746 - 09/29/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:badmanthisfeels:

What a bunch of jackasses...


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23691769 - 09/29/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So essentially...

The people: is it illegal?
The devil: yeah fuckit, we don't know..:shrug:

The judge: you are accused of possesing a schedule 1 drug, how do you plead?
Random: fuckit, I dont know:shrug:

What a shit show..  how pathetic can you get?


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: Amanita86]
    #23692545 - 09/29/16 10:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I called the dea earlier and they said it's not going in to effect tomorrow/the first and they're not sure when it will. But who really knows, plenty of really positive work being done and good journalism being written.

That being said I'm still staying away from kratom for the time being, being a law abiding citizen sucks sometimes haha. Damn irrational laws. Next they're going to ban my coffee... Which I was thinking about earlier and if I had to choose one I'd go with caffeine over mitragynine. Except when in bad pain.

Wonder if relative species will be considered illegal to under the Federal Analog Act, I wanted to ask the DEA but didn't want them to think "hmmm we should include these species too"

I've been wanting to get some, but don't want to be playing with fire.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: MadBotanist]
    #23693656 - 09/30/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I ordered a kilo of kratom after trying it. I went from not ever using opioids of any kind, to dosing kratom daily in just a month or so after getting the kilo. It's not like it had too much affect on my life or anything, but it was still an addiction and dependency. Towards the end I would really start to feel off if I didn't have it or dose throughout the day. I rarely exceeded more than 6g a day too, which is very minor to most daily kratom habits. I think people that use kratom tend to underplay the dependency issue.

That said, I am glad I tried it and would use it again if I had chronic pain that cannabis wouldn't solve. I'd much rather use a plant to stimulate my opioid receptors than a pharmaceutical. Kratom + caffeine + cannabis was also one of the best combos I've tried.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: daytripper05] * 1
    #23694653 - 09/30/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Your not supposed to do it every day or you obviously get physically addicted.

Just like all drugs.

You gotta have self control.

Every third or fourth day is an acceptable number to keep any addiction or tolerance at bay.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: impatientguy]
    #23694683 - 09/30/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Kratom in small doses daily is comparable to daily coffee or cannabis IME, it can have mild mental and physical withdrawals.

Honestly coffee and cannabis give me more W/D I would say thought maybe I just use larger amounts of them :shrug:


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23696096 - 10/01/16 01:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I use caffeine and cannabis daily, so using kratom daily naturally just found a way into my routine. Hell, kratom + coffee + weed is a damn good combo and found it to be a natural alternative to say, Adderall. Obviously I didn't intentionally fall into the daily consumption habit, but it was easy fall into. Like coffee, cigs (I don't smoke), weed, or whatever. I think consuming plants/herbs daily is a natural tendency. It's all balance I guess. I really hope the DEA gets overthrown though. Plants should never be allowed to be schedule 1.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: daytripper05]
    #23696182 - 10/01/16 02:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hell, kratom + coffee + weed is a damn good combo




I don't always drink coffee, but when I do its with kratom and cannabis :awesomenod:

Caffeine and cannabis together gives me anxiety but the kratom balances it out very nicely, also allows me to take less of all 3.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: impatientguy]
    #23697390 - 10/01/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Your not supposed to do it every day or you obviously get physically addicted.

Just like all drugs.

You gotta have self control.

Every third or fourth day is an acceptable number to keep any addiction or tolerance at bay.




I'd almost rather just do an addictive drug daily for a while, develop a dependancy and then just go through the process of withdrawal and get clean once I've had my fill.

It sounds stupid but trying to regulate your use to every three or four days of something addictive (Kratom not too hard though) is slightly agonizing.

If you actually get into a schedule of using something every 3-4 days you are going to think about using whatever drug of choice and constantly anticipate the next day you can use. That's the problem with habitual use every 3-4 days. You will likely end up in a daily pattern eventually.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: Everything]
    #23697643 - 10/01/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Not everyones like that, I can have all the temptation in the world in front of me without indulging. More a matter of peoples personalities/self control and such. Going full blown addict over mediated use sounds rather daft, but hey to each our own. As long as your not stealing peoples stuff to afford a habit.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: MadBotanist]
    #23697718 - 10/01/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

I have no problem staying consistent with my dose for long periods of time, I never feel the need to dose more then 1-2g at a time and usually stick to 1-2x daily.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: Everything]
    #23701414 - 10/02/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Everything said:
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impatientguy said:
Your not supposed to do it every day or you obviously get physically addicted.

Just like all drugs.

You gotta have self control.

Every third or fourth day is an acceptable number to keep any addiction or tolerance at bay.




I'd almost rather just do an addictive drug daily for a while, develop a dependancy and then just go through the process of withdrawal and get clean once I've had my fill.

It sounds stupid but trying to regulate your use to every three or four days of something addictive (Kratom not too hard though) is slightly agonizing.

If you actually get into a schedule of using something every 3-4 days you are going to think about using whatever drug of choice and constantly anticipate the next day you can use. That's the problem with habitual use every 3-4 days. You will likely end up in a daily pattern eventually.


I've been using kratom every 3 to 4 days for about 2 years now.  I guess some people lack the willpower to consume responsibly. Not me though.

Kratom wouldn't even get me high after about five days of consecutive use.

Why waste your Kratom by increasing your tolerance and also getting addicted at the same time?


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: impatientguy]
    #23701428 - 10/02/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How high do you dose? I don't get much if any of a tolerance increase taking 1-2g daily :shrug:


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: impatientguy]
    #23701463 - 10/02/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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impatientguy said:
Quote:

Everything said:
Quote:

impatientguy said:
Your not supposed to do it every day or you obviously get physically addicted.

Just like all drugs.

You gotta have self control.

Every third or fourth day is an acceptable number to keep any addiction or tolerance at bay.




I'd almost rather just do an addictive drug daily for a while, develop a dependancy and then just go through the process of withdrawal and get clean once I've had my fill.

It sounds stupid but trying to regulate your use to every three or four days of something addictive (Kratom not too hard though) is slightly agonizing.

If you actually get into a schedule of using something every 3-4 days you are going to think about using whatever drug of choice and constantly anticipate the next day you can use. That's the problem with habitual use every 3-4 days. You will likely end up in a daily pattern eventually.


I've been using kratom every 3 to 4 days for about 2 years now.  I guess some people lack the willpower to consume responsibly. Not me though.

Kratom wouldn't even get me high after about five days of consecutive use.

Why waste your Kratom by increasing your tolerance and also getting addicted at the same time?




Bro I'm talking about drugs in general. I state in my post you quoted in a very basic way Kratom is not very compulsive, it's not hard to control Kratom use. In fact it's probably harder to dose Kratom leaf abusively than it is to avoid dependancy.


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Re: DEA: No Timetable for Kratom Ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23701482 - 10/02/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

"If you actually get into a schedule of using something every 3-4 days you are going to think about using whatever drug of choice and constantly anticipate the next day you can use. That's the problem with habitual use every 3-4 days. You will likely end up in a daily pattern eventually."
Sounds like you have a genuine drug problem.

I take about 10 g into tea.

I think I know what your thinking:"you not getting the most out of your kratom that way" but I think i am.  I use a few cc of lemon juice(makes water soluble alkaloids more water soluble) and everclear(the alkaloids are also soluble in alcohol) per pull on the grinds. And I do 3 pulls

I'd rather buzz hard af every once in awhile than just a little everyday :shrug:


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