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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: searching]
#23691607 - 09/29/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://m.pms.sagepub.com/content/71/2/563.short
Here is a study that correlates obesity to poor sales performance. So now show me something that says appearance doesn't affect job performance.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: searching]
#23691612 - 09/29/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Straw man. We're talking about hairstyle. Next!
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: abltsandwich]
#23691627 - 09/29/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think if a study was done the same way with dreadlocks that there would be different results? If I misunderstood your argument then I apologize. I still say that having dreadlocks would absolutely affect job performance in a sales position.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: abltsandwich]
#23691630 - 09/29/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Everybody knows being successful in sales is a combination of good looks with an outrageous personality. Somebody bubbly, outgoing, humorous, friendly, and fast-paced is the stereotypical sales pusher.
I wonder though, if you can legally discriminate somebody over having bad acne. After all, I can only imagine that people with bad acne tend to do worse in sales positions... but acne is technically considered a medical condition. Soooooo probably not?
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Crystal G]
#23691639 - 09/29/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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And yet, retail sales on the internet increase every year with no salesmen attached. It seems the entire concept is old trash.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Crystal G]
#23691645 - 09/29/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Everybody knows being successful in sales is a combination of good looks with an outrageous personality. Somebody bubbly, outgoing, humorous, friendly, and fast-paced is the stereotypical sales pusher.
I wonder though, if you can legally discriminate somebody over having bad acne. After all, I can only imagine that people with bad acne tend to do worse in sales positions... but acne is technically considered a medical condition. Soooooo probably not?
You don't see many girls in porn with acne?
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: searching]
#23691719 - 09/29/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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searching said: http://m.pms.sagepub.com/content/71/2/563.short
Here is a study that correlates obesity to poor sales performance. So now show me something that says appearance doesn't affect job performance.
are you suggesting that abiding by human stupidity is a worthwhile endeavor?
if someones appearance makes it so they can't serve you...you're being retarded.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: akira_akuma]
#23691726 - 09/29/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, you expect the employer to take the intellectual high ground and lose his business, home, etc. for it?
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: abltsandwich]
#23691727 - 09/29/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/university-study-concludes-hairstyles-make-or-break-your-first-impression-71414332.html
Here is an article about linking hairstyles and first impressions. I'm trying to find the original university study they are talking about. If you don't think first impressions can affect sales performance then I don't know what to tell you.
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abltsandwich said: And yet, retail sales on the internet increase every year with no salesmen attached. It seems the entire concept is old trash.
Where did Internet sales come from? The question is will two identical twins, one with dreadlocks, perform the same in a sales position? I'm not talking about retail sales either. I work in manufacturing and our sales people talk to potential customers about getting new business potentially worth millions of dollars. Do you think that a CEO coming in and meeting with a sales person with dreadlocks is really not going to have a negative first impression?
Honestly, tell me do you really believe that?
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Enlil]
#23691740 - 09/29/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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no. it's just i don't condone abiding by statistical stupidity as a prove of something of import being pointed to. if it's being pointed at by people whom are stupid, how can one trust this asseveration of it? stupid people do not know what they are doing, by definition.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: akira_akuma]
#23691754 - 09/29/16 07:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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searching said: http://m.pms.sagepub.com/content/71/2/563.short
Here is a study that correlates obesity to poor sales performance. So now show me something that says appearance doesn't affect job performance.
are you suggesting that abiding by human stupidity is a worthwhile endeavor?
if someones appearance makes it so they can't serve you...you're being retarded.
I didn't say anything about abiding by human stupidity. The question is can a person in a high profile sales position with dreads perform the same as someone without dreads?
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: akira_akuma]
#23691759 - 09/29/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually don't think hairstyle affects somebody's work performance nearly as much as obesity does. I mean it's one thing to have a bright blue 2-foot mohawk or something, but dreads still look relatively natural.
IME personality matters much more than looks when it comes to sales. Somebody with dreads who has a charismatic and explosive persona is going to perform a lot better than somebody who looks "perfect" but is awkward and introverted.
There's a guy at the VW dealership who looks like a skinhead and has full sleeve tattoos that he doesn't cover up, he also has a bit of a beer gut, yet he got salesman of the year and outperformed everybody in the nation.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23691765 - 09/29/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Of course, it's a German car. Skinheads are very popular among the Nazi-sympathizers.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Crystal G]
#23691768 - 09/29/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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We live in a shallow world. Appearance matters. First impression is everything.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23691801 - 09/29/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It completely depends on who your target market or consumer audience is. Probably if you are selling Italian hand-tailored suits, you will want to look very clean cut and neat.
But if you are selling Harley Davidson's, it is probably okay and maybe even preferable to have a beard and a couple tattoos.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Morel Guy]
#23691803 - 09/29/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Morel Guy said: We live in a shallow world. Appearance matters. First impression is everything.
Exactly. I'm not saying it's fair. I would be pissed if I got refused a job for my appearance. But the question is, is it legal? Yes it is. Unless we're talking about appearance items related to protected religious groups. For example... Someone wearing one of those funny towels on their head because of their religion.
But that's just my understanding from 10 minutes of reading on the Internet. Ask enlil. He's the lawyer.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Crystal G]
#23691806 - 09/29/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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True. I think culture is kinda scewd. Bud tenders and all that, authority over a culture yet it kinda polices.
Just look at social media
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: Crystal G]
#23691808 - 09/29/16 07:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: It completely depends on who your target market or consumer audience is. Probably if you are selling Italian hand-tailored suits, you will want to look very clean cut and neat.
But if you are selling Harley Davidson's, it is probably okay and maybe even preferable to have a beard and a couple tattoos.
Haha, yeah I was thinking dreads could actually improve sales performance if you work in a weed store.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: searching]
#23691813 - 09/29/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I didn't say anything about abiding by human stupidity. The question is can a person in a high profile sales position with dreads perform the same as someone without dreads?
who cares what you said, literally; figuratively, that's what you mean, you think that how someone identifies with someones appearance, is a factor a in sales; i'm simply pointing out you're abiding by this notion that that is a legitimate position to take (that because someone's appearance is off-putting, [in any non-offensive way; but you see where i'm going with this? offensive dreadlocks?], and if someone's appearance is off-putting, this should invariably reduce sales, as per statistical data.
thing is, that data proves only one thing, for certain, other then the trend...it proves that people are stupid. because that trend is the definition of stupid.
no one's appearance, in the modern world, should offend anyone, unless it has purposeful intentional offence to it, like vulgarity.
and yes, dreads do not affect performance. sales performance as per defined by you, is something that is inanimate and has not human quality...but human sales performance, as per the human's ability to be a good sales person, yes, no marked decrease in ability.
his dread locks may affect his sales, but only with the most stupid god awful people that need to perish already, that are on the planet. vanity is a very stupid human trait.
and by perish, i mean, change, they need to change, and stop being idiots.
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Re: Federal court rules employers can deny a job if a person has dreadlocks. (Real) [Re: searching]
#23691818 - 09/29/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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searching said: Exactly. I'm not saying it's fair. I would be pissed if I got refused a job for my appearance. But the question is, is it legal? Yes it is. Unless we're talking about appearance items related to protected religious groups. For example... Someone wearing one of those funny towels on their head because of their religion.
But that's just my understanding from 10 minutes of reading on the Internet. Ask enlil. He's the lawyer.
Some people have been arguing in recent years, that having afro or curly hair is natural for black people, and it is therefore racial discrimination to not allow these types of hair in the workforce.
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