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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling] * 1
    #23697329 - 10/01/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah, bulk. I was going to do pf tek originally, but it makes more sense to do bulk first if i feel confident after my research..plus i am tired of getting ripped off and other friends getting ripped off cause of extreme prices here.

I have decided on a coir verm gyp sub since i want to go bulk and have the coconuts. Started proccessing the coconuts today. May post a diy coconut coir if anyone is interested since i didnt find one when i searched the board.

So.. 45% coir, 45% verm, 10% gyp as suggested probably.

I am still reading..and taking notes.



How will you sterilize your spawn I thought that was the problem?


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697336 - 10/01/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I am just going to build a fire. Fuck it. There is enough bamboo. I just didnt want to use that much energy. Building a long fire is tough with the humidity and even out in the country the neighboors dont likw it. But..meh..guess they can deal with it.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697344 - 10/01/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well read until your eyes bleed and then expect to read 5x more.  I see you are feeling confident but your posts really don't show you are anywhere near as knowledgeable as you need to be to start this hobby.  I'm not trying to be mean, but you really should spend 20 bux and pick up the book "The Mushroom Cultivator."  Read that until you understand it, then come back to this website to get the more modern approach to the teks in that book.  At the very least watch Roger rabbits "let's grow mushrooms" which has can be found bootlegged on youtube.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23697415 - 10/01/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well read until your eyes bleed and then expect to read 5x more.  I see you are feeling confident but your posts really don't show you are anywhere near as knowledgeable as you need to be to start this hobby.  I'm not trying to be mean, but you really should spend 20 bux and pick up the book "The Mushroom Cultivator."  Read that until you understand it, then come back to this website to get the more modern approach to the teks in that book.  At the very least watch Roger rabbits "let's grow mushrooms" which has can be found bootlegged on youtube.



Don't wanna start anything but fuck books you want RRs videos let's grow mushrooms and this website. IMO books contain no up to date info and a waste of money, this site has all the teks and info anyone would need. Mycology seems to change very quickly books don't. You need live, up to date info and live experiments like what happens here to get the right knowledge.
The mushroom cultivator was published in 1983 a lot has changed, I'm not sure about any revisions to the book as I haven't read it or actively looked for any further info.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697446 - 10/01/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Well read until your eyes bleed and then expect to read 5x more.  I see you are feeling confident but your posts really don't show you are anywhere near as knowledgeable as you need to be to start this hobby.  I'm not trying to be mean, but you really should spend 20 bux and pick up the book "The Mushroom Cultivator."  Read that until you understand it, then come back to this website to get the more modern approach to the teks in that book.  At the very least watch Roger rabbits "let's grow mushrooms" which has can be found bootlegged on youtube.



Don't wanna start anything but fuck books you want RRs videos let's grow mushrooms and this website. IMO books contain no up to date info and a waste of money, this site has all the teks and info anyone would need. Mycology seems to change very quickly books don't. You need live, up to date info and live experiments like what happens here to get the right knowledge.
The mushroom cultivator was published in 1983 a lot has changed, I'm not sure about any revisions to the book as I haven't read it or actively looked for any further info.




One thing even old books have that this site doesn't is one mind bringing together a overall cohesive understanding of mycology.  This site is filled with 1000s of teks that are also filled with either outdated or mis information aND often dosent tell why but just how.  It's so overbearing for a novice to know what to take from this site which is obvious from all the ridiculous questions asked.  With a base understanding of mycology this site all of a sudden becomes AMAZING.  I do agree that Roger rabbits vids would also work which is why I said that in my earlier post, but I think stamens books offers a more overall comprehensive knowledge (with invaluable appendices) where Roger rabbits vids are just very well done teks.

I do find it weird you haven't read the book and call it useless btw.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23697475 - 10/01/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I came here with a grow bag and 0 knowledge, now I'm using agar, bulk, many Pf grows. I agree basic understanding would have been beneficial but simply reading teks and asking questions on here gave me all the knowledge I need to produce as much as I need. Reading out of date books time and time again bring noobs here with a know it all attitude and when they get told the correct up to date facts they kick off and insult everyone. Books serve a purpose but remember to check the current knowledge unless the book was written in the last year or so even then check. Look at festers books people say any old shit to fill a book.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697484 - 10/01/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Reading teks and popping a few mushrooms out seems to create know it alls in my experience. I know that some people are ridiculously more knowledgeable than I am and they haven't read any books, bUT not everyone is so lucky or intelligent.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23697486 - 10/01/16 03:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Reading teks and popping a few mushrooms out seems to create know it alls in my experience.




Seems like your taking offence because you read a book :shrug:
Understand I'm not saying your wrong I'm saying taking advice from a book that's 30 year old ain't a good idea, and the vast amounts of UP TO DATE info on here is by far WAY more beneficial for a noob and a hell of a lot easier to digest as its generally written in a way a new cultivator can understand. Unlike most books in the mycology field.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697497 - 10/01/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Well it was a nice thread derail bro.  Guess we have to agree to disagree.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23697499 - 10/01/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Lol agreed sorry op


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23698300 - 10/01/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bahahaha. I have a computer on monday=party time. I will post my pf decisions for peer review.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23698381 - 10/01/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

My vote goes for this site vs books as well, since it was brought up.

You can go pick up a book right now and it'll tell you things like, that you need to colonize in the dark, and that you should be using an incubator to maintain 85F.  Or that you want to scrape your substrate with a fork.  Or that bruising is directly related to potency.  :rolleyes:  And while you read that book, nobody around you will correct any of that bad info you just read.  You'll just read it, and take it as fact, and then come on the forum and act like a little prick when people point out that some of the stuff from out of said book is straight up caveman tech.  Trust me, it happens enough that we're all fully callous and used to it by now.  Maybe if books peer reviewed themselves they could keep up but they don't.  They just infinitely reproduce the same information.  Like a moron might do.  Or perhaps a propagandizing government.  :shrug:  Or, maybe, you know, a book publisher that wants to continually make money off of work that was relevant 30 years ago.

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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Inocuole]
    #23698457 - 10/01/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Isaac newton's theory of gravity is outdated but still used to send our satellites into orbit and will be used to send our men and women to mars. The Principia is an outdated text by hundreds of years, but all physicist are required to read it at university.  TMC has invaluable information in it, actually tells the why instead of just the how and gives you an overall cohesive well written text on the subject. 

This site has updated methodologies that synergizes very well with the book just like my original post said, but the fact is is this site is an aggregate of teks from hundreds if not more people (where only a handful really know what they are actually talking about.) Some of the teks are gold and some are absolute trash. None of it is presented in cohesion.  Its a discussion board so you cant really do much about that.

Although the book has maybe three facts that has been shown to be wrong, it's a one day read that holds well all its own.  If you followed the book word for word you still get a methodology that works very well.  If all the novices read this book before posting here we would be rid of most of the stupid questions we get here.

FYI TMC never advocates scratching your substrate with a fork neither does it talk about bruising compared to potency.  As for the constant supply of books coming out regurgitating bad info I have no idea what you are talking about.  I have only mentioned one read. If you are talking about GGMM, that was an updated version that shed a lot more insight into the field and updated the info from the first book.  Geared more towards a professional lab, still another good read for any home grower.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23698508 - 10/01/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/75

Here is a link to our archive here on the site.  You would think the archive would be the definitive place to get the good info on this site and it's filled with all kinds of trash teks.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23698536 - 10/01/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22144051

Here is a link to how to use the search function properly so you don't get outdated bs teks, and only info from TCs.

People need to fuckin just read the options of the search function. I've never once had an issue with it spitting out old info.

I have read the book, and the only thing useful for me was the contamination section. Everything else is much easier to find and much more updated via the search function.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #23698538 - 10/01/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22144051

Here is a link to how to use the search function properly so you don't get outdated bs teks, and only info from TCs.

People need to fuckin just read the options of the search function. I've never once had an issue with it spitting out old info.




but why does our archive host such crap info?


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23698539 - 10/01/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Because it's the archives. It's a place where info is so garbage, it shouldn't be in mush cult anymore.

It's just meant for documentation, to preserve the information, and show how we got to today. It's not a place for good information.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #23698542 - 10/01/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We save all the garbage so novices can accidentally stumble in and think they are reading shroomery quality information? 

I mean that is my defense for TMC.  Its a great comprehensive text that shows us how we got to where we are today but still has actual relative information.  The contamination id flow chart is well worth the read.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23698545 - 10/01/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So you want to just go and erase all the old information?

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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #23698551 - 10/01/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

no, just don't put it all in a spot without a disclaimer.  Getting rid of the archives doesn't get rid of the info.  The info is still stored on the servers if you want to search for it.


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