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OfflineMagsdarling
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Newb Questions for Cultivation
    #23690201 - 09/29/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I live in a tropical climate, in the middle of nowhere. I have no stove (i use fire, so tend to keep things short), but i have access to electric and a kitchen when i go into town.

Keeping this in kind, is there a way to sterilize substrate besides a pressure cooker or building a fire for a number of hours? Would a higher concentrate of peroxide work? Could i microwave? If i had to boul and make a fire, what is the minimun time for sterilization? Here i can only assume the sterilization step is probably the most important since mold can be so prevelant, so any advice would be appreciated!

Also, i could use any recommondations of strains that prefer tropical climates and trusted source of where to find those strains!

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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23690257 - 09/29/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

damn, where you live?

if you have access to electricity you could get a electric portable
heating element thingy and use that for a pressure cooker.

if not an option, just boil jars pf tek style for 1.5 hours. like steaming tons of shirmp.

no peroxide. no microwaving. short cuts/skipping things will mean 100% failure.

any strain should be fine. no woodlovers. they like it colder.

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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mushboy]
    #23690417 - 09/29/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You really need heat to cultivate these guys.  If you live in a tropical climate, though, you can always put spores in a cow's water trough and come by after a month or so.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Psilicon]
    #23691074 - 09/29/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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van der griegen said:
You really need heat to cultivate these guys.




OP lives in the tropics.. whats your point?


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #23691155 - 09/29/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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van der griegen said:
You really need heat to cultivate these guys.




OP lives in the tropics.. whats your point?




Okay.  Let's hear your room temperature sterilization tek.  :llamastare:


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Psilicon]
    #23691188 - 09/29/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If you have a pot and a few half pint jars just go pftek.  Just need to steam sterilize the cakes for 90 minutes.  That wouldnt be hard at all with a fire.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23693069 - 09/30/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks yall. I live in Puerto Rico. I assumed sterilization by steaming without a pressure cooking meant 2 plus hours. Maybe i had read it somewhere.

Now the challenge is finding a damn vendor that delivers to PR.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23693109 - 09/30/16 06:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I also read that sucsses rates go down the bigger of that jar you use? I only have quart jars....and was even going to go half gallon but didnt. Can someone explain that? If everything is properly sterile, is it just the time risk...that it takes longer for the mycelium to conpletely colonize the space and anything that takes longer just has more risk?


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23693265 - 09/30/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Magsdarling said:
I also read that sucsses rates go down the bigger of that jar you use? I only have quart jars....and was even going to go half gallon but didnt. Can someone explain that? If everything is properly sterile, is it just the time risk...that it takes longer for the mycelium to conpletely colonize the space and anything that takes longer just has more risk?




Yeah that is pretty much it.  If something takes more than 30 days to colonize it seems pretty risky IMO.  I think there must be something else to it as well though.  I remember having a hard time doing pint jars in my early years for some reason.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23693429 - 09/30/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

For Pf tek anything above half pint gives a large risk of stalling. I get stalls on half pints occasionally. For your first go if using Pf tek then half pint would be a maximum. You could use pp5 plastic containers if you don't have the glass ware pp5 stuff can go through sterilization so you'll be fine.(PS pp5 containers are everywhere most take away food comes in them just look on the bottom for P.P or PP5)


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23694776 - 09/30/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those containers are def available here. Thanks! What do you mean by stall? Is it just a lack of nutrients after the mycelium grow out? Stall seems weird but it is fungi. Has a mind of its own. Pftek is traditionally brown rice flour?

I was thinking of experimenting with  making a substrate that was fortified with coffee grounds since nitrogen gives fungi such a kick..it would be a shame to waste spores on my first try from experimenting though.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23694845 - 09/30/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Those containers are def available here. Thanks! What do you mean by stall? Is it just a lack of nutrients after the mycelium grow out? Stall seems weird but it is fungi. Has a mind of its own. Pftek is traditionally brown rice flour?

I was thinking of experimenting with  making a substrate that was fortified with coffee grounds since nitrogen gives fungi such a kick..it would be a shame to waste spores on my first try from experimenting though.




Stalling means the mycellium stops growing more than likely due to lack of proper gas exchange.  Moisture could be another culprit.

For a first try just go basic.  After years of experimenting I found it hardly worth the hassle.  For a first timer it only adds vectors of failure.

substrate recipe should be something like 45%hpoo, 45%verm, 10% gypsum by weight brought to field capacity and pasteurized for 90 minutes.  Easy pleasy lemon squeezy and never fails.  KISS (keep it simple stupid)


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23694879 - 09/30/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wtf is hpoo? Lol is there a thread witj a dictionary of terms?

I will try a simple tested and true recipe for one of the jars.

But...the more i read into it...i may look for a recipe with coco coir
And since i live on an island with coconuts everywhere and i am constantly making coconut oil and cream for the market i may as well make use out of the pesky shells.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23694891 - 09/30/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hpoo = horse manure


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: Magsdarling]
    #23694926 - 09/30/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Magsdarling said:
Wtf is hpoo? Lol is there a thread witj a dictionary of terms?

I will try a simple tested and true recipe for one of the jars.

But...the more i read into it...i may look for a recipe with coco coir
And since i live on an island with coconuts everywhere and i am constantly making coconut oil and cream for the market i may as well make use out of the pesky shells.





heh...these terms are what my old CCNA teacher would call "job security."

Uhh yeah.  Hpoo can be directly substituted with coco coir.  I have tried it and didn't find it awesome myself but I do live in a town where theres 10 horses per square mile and have lots of experience and technique developed for hpoo.  If coir is easier to find than hpoo then by all means go for it.  I would still recommend the verm and gypsum if you use it.  NO ADDITIVES for the first time.  Spend all your time locking down moisture content.  Moisture content is your number one enemy with substrates.  I err on the dry side myself due to too many over saturated contaminated substrates from my early attempts.

Here is a forgotten video I made a while back on the moisture content I use for hpoo substrates.

In the description that wont show here will tell you that is a hard hard squeeze.  I dont like the gentle squeeze method because gentle is subjective.



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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23697202 - 10/01/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hang on I thought op was using Pf tek, which is verm brown rice flour and water. Hpoo etc isn't needed for Pf and a PC isn't needed hence why I figured he was going this way.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697255 - 10/01/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah when I heard substrate fortified with coffee my mind auto went to him spawning his cakes to a bulk.  When he started talking about coir then it only furthered my assumption.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: RyeJar]
    #23697278 - 10/01/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know what's going on now I'm giving advice for one thing but op may be going a different way :whip:
OP what method have you decided on?


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697300 - 10/01/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think op is quite confused himself.  You need to spend a good month or two researching before going foward, especially with your limited resources.  It's going to be tricky but not impossible.


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Re: Newb Questions for Cultivation [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23697323 - 10/01/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, bulk. I was going to do pf tek originally, but it makes more sense to do bulk first if i feel confident after my research..plus i am tired of getting ripped off and other friends getting ripped off cause of extreme prices here.

I have decided on a coir verm gyp sub since i want to go bulk and have the coconuts. Started proccessing the coconuts today. May post a diy coconut coir if anyone is interested since i didnt find one when i searched the board.

So.. 45% coir, 45% verm, 10% gyp as suggested probably.

I am still reading..and taking notes.


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