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Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity?
    #23688826 - 09/28/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What is your opinion or dream interpretation? 

I have read a few dream reports and interpretations of them...the handful of interpretations I've read seemed to be common sense.  For example, if someone had a dream where they were yelling at someone in their personal life, the interpretation would hypothesize that they were made at that person in real life. 

I guess the alternative perspective on dream interpretation would be that dreams have no meaning, but are merely coincidental and random.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23688846 - 09/28/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nothing remotely concrete. VERY subjective.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: klhouse]
    #23688861 - 09/28/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's not very shaman of you bro.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23688875 - 09/28/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but personally, I have dreams that cannot be interpreted.  They're too random and weird.  I can't even describe what they're like, definitely surreal.  I read that the latest studies that have come out of academia indicate that dreams are essentially farts of the mind discharged residually during sleep.  That makes a ton of sense to me.  OTOH, some people glean very deep meaning from their dreams, so who knows what the whole story is.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23688896 - 09/28/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Most don't know what dreams are. Scientist claim to have the answers but most are unsure themselves unless they don't want to release that information to the public. There are many different types of dreams also. Dreams are not just some stupid shit that is pointless and futile. We have them for a reason. I'll list a few that come to mind:

1. Dreams that are just there for fun.

2. Dreams that pick up on the collective consciousness of your surroundings.

For example, you're sleeping and the tv is on. On the tv there's a song that plays which incorporates into your dream giving you visions of the song.

Here's another example, you're sleeping and you dream that someone is chasing you. A sinister being wanting to kill you. Right before being killed in your dream you wake up and you see that someone is standing over you with a knife.

3. Dreams that teach you about yourself - These dreams delve into your subconscious to teach you about yourself and what you can do to overcome obstacles about your personality.

These type of dreams can be "recurring" showing up over and over again as a test and once you pass the test, the dreams stop coming back.

4. Prophetic dreams (Usually extremely vivid) - A dream that has a bunch of random events. From one random even to another. Most people have no clue as to why they dreamed this dream. But, if you were given the gift to interpret these "random" events, you may find that they are not random at all. They are telling a story, usually an important message given to you by Adonai. Prophetic dreams can actually predict a future event that's going to happen in your waking life.

5. Lucid dreams (my favorite) - A dream where you realize you're in a dream, and usually one would wake up after realizing they're dreaming, but you don't wake up. You realize you're dreaming and start taking control of yourself inside the dream. Exploring the dream world, full of beauty and wonder, manifesting whatever it is you desire.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #23688897 - 09/28/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Moreover, dreams are talked about in old testament a couple of times:

Pharaoh said to Joseph, "I have had a dream, but no one can interpret it; and I have heard it said about you, that when you hear a dream you can interpret it." 16Joseph then answered Pharaoh, saying, "It is not in me; God will give Pharaoh a favorable answer."

The above verse is about God gifts to Joseph to interpret dreams. He interpreted Pharaohs dream and became second to the Pharaoh of Egypt. It was an important dream to interpret because it actually saved Egypt from 7 years of famine.



What Saul said about dreams:

And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.

6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.



Daniel, the prophet, was a dream interpreter:

Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.

20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his

But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #23688905 - 09/28/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dreams are a blessing from Adonai. Dreams let you know you're on the right track with Adonai.

I've witnessed people that have crazy dreams all the time and they are usually pretty righteous people.

I've also witnessed people that never ever dream and they usually are very non inspirational characters. And most of the time they envy and hate people that do have dreams. They even have gone as far as making fun of dreams and the people that have them.

But that's just my two cents...


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Leviticus969]
    #23689257 - 09/29/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How many dreams do you people have, that stem from your wishes and desires in real life.

Freud, who basically brought dreamn interpretation into modern age, thought of dreams to only be manifestations of desires.
This has found to be untrue, because most dreams are just replications of what happened/ was relevant to you, for mental and physical practice. Thats also the point in dreaming, and this is well known and not really disputed :shrug:

But I've noticed to have desires quite often be the central aspect of my dreams.
It's getting to know other women besides my significant other.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Murzelpfrumpft]
    #23689324 - 09/29/16 05:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

dream interpretation is like Tarot card reading.

I love dreams, and cards, and interpreting, however, I also am very big, hugely big, on uncertainty.

By that I mean to say that whatever fleeting interpretation you glean from any augury (dream or whatever) you best not take it seriously and carry on with chores etc. [it is extra to the plot]

so if you dream you won the lottery, still you must get up and go to work.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23697022 - 10/01/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. As a long-time student of the Jungian school, and a former analysand of some 8 years, I have done dream work with my clients and lectured on it at the graduate school level. The analyst amplifies various possible meanings for the dreamer, but the dreamer is the final arbiter of the dream's meaning and its implication for action. It was the authoritarian Freudian method which adhered to fixed interpretations of symbolic material and often tried to force interpretations on the dreamer. Neo-Freudians softened that approach, Gestalt Therapy asked 'in what sense is the dreamer the object in the dream,' and other schools completely ignored the usefulness of dream material. This book is an excellent introduction to the subject of Active Imagination, which is a waking-state conversation with dream-characters that takes on a life of its own:



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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23697154 - 10/01/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:





do you mean the one by...
From Robert A. Johnson, the bestselling author of Transformation, Owning Your Own Shadow, and the groundbreaking works He, She, and We

11.95 kindle edition...


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
    #23697491 - 10/01/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The same Robert Johnson, yes.


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Re: Do you recognize dream interpretation as having any validity? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #23698195 - 10/01/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

no


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