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How much of life is magic? * 1
    #23688125 - 09/28/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I remember George Carlin saying something like: How much of our lives is truly magical -- how much time do we get in an utterly blissful, heavenly place? Maybe six minutes? I cannot help but agree with this assessment. How often are we really happy, happy to the point of forgetting everything? Not too often. And how much of that truly wonderful, magical joyousness do we get? Maybe George is right -- maybe it's around six minutes.

I'd say we'd be lucky if at the end of our lives we were genuinely and flawlessly happy one percent of the time. Five percent would be about the maximum, I would think. Ten percent would be a miracle -- or the by-product of an insane mind. The rest is routine, anger, depression, angst, failure, striving, working, slaving, fighting, and certainly not least, boredom. Mostly boredom and tedium, I would say. But whatever we're doing, we don't seem to be in that place of the greatest imaginings, that place of no pain, that place of joy and lived magic, very much of the time.

Considering this rationally, does it not seem a bit silly to consider death the greatest horror? A random sampling of our lives would show that, honestly, we're not missing much.  But I digress.  How do y'all feel about it?


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23688179 - 09/28/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I remember George Carlin saying something like: How much of our lives is truly magical -- how much time do we get in an utterly blissful, heavenly place? Maybe six minutes? I cannot help but agree with this assessment. How often are we really happy, happy to the point of forgetting everything? Not too often. And how much of that truly wonderful, magical joyousness do we get? Maybe George is right -- maybe it's around six minutes.

I'd say we'd be lucky if at the end of our lives we were genuinely and flawlessly happy one percent of the time. Five percent would be about the maximum, I would think. Ten percent would be a miracle -- or the by-product of an insane mind. The rest is routine, anger, depression, angst, failure, striving, working, slaving, fighting, and certainly not least, boredom. Mostly boredom and tedium, I would say. But whatever we're doing, we don't seem to be in that place of the greatest imaginings, that place of no pain, that place of joy and lived magic, very much of the time.

Considering this rationally, does it not seem a bit silly to consider death the greatest horror? A random sampling of our lives would show that, honestly, we're not missing much.  But I digress.  How do y'all feel about it?




I haven't been into Carlin's rants for a while, and never found them to be all that magical.  The guy I find magical now uses profanity to an extent that most would never agree.  Actually you dq hold some hope but I am not really counting on you much.  I suspect if I tried I'd just be even more disappointed.

Besides, one mans magic is another mans disturbing voices that won't go away.

I can relate to a world gone mad and don't find madness that magical.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23688223 - 09/28/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Carlin was dark funny.

but I think much of life is magic or beyond comprehension.

this computation effort denies that incomprehensibility of life with a kind of anti-life and that is always a problem with very rational thinking.

fortunately the formulae are weak.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23688229 - 09/28/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Carlin was dark funny.

but I think much of life is magic or beyond comprehension.

this computation effort denies that incomprehensibility of life with a kind of anti-life and that is always a problem with very rational thinking.

fortunately the formulae are weak.




I'm dark too but that doesn't make me all that funny, just like he wasn't all that funny either at times.  Better than Robin Williams, that guy just pissed me off with his nonsense then he expected people to care about it but George was the real guy in that regard.  Mork was a Dork.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23688698 - 09/28/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shrooms are magic :mushroom2:


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23688928 - 09/28/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I remember George Carlin saying something like: How much of our lives is truly magical -- how much time do we get in an utterly blissful, heavenly place? Maybe six minutes? I cannot help but agree with this assessment. How often are we really happy, happy to the point of forgetting everything?




1) we forget our childhood, when there was a lot of wonder.

2) If you count orgasms it doesn't take too many to get over six minutes.

3) many athletes spend time in the zone

4) many scientists really enjoy their work

etc.

Many seem happy to help others, and forget self that way

etc.

I enjoy Carlin at times, and am cynical myself compared to the average bear, but this view is way too cynical.

And who says bliss is the most important measure of life? Junkies - that's who!


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23688968 - 09/28/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Even if you're not feeling magical, that doesn't mean you're feeling bad. You can be happy and live a good live without feeling absolutely "magical" all the time.

Or you can just take a lysergamide and chemically induce one of those "magical" states.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: nooneman]
    #23689045 - 09/29/16 12:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Eh there is simply Turiya, everything else is fleeting/not there.

Establish pure consciousness, and go about your business. You will be blissful always, never bored.

Furthermore the world becomes extremely lucid as Turiya expands your perception/consciousness, revealing the world is actually divine and magical.

Big deal though.

Turiya is cooler than running around in different dimensions.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23689275 - 09/29/16 04:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Although i know what the blues is all about, I know I have not suffered in ways say that children are suffering right now in the worst horrific places of war ravaged Syria

A person CAN suffer, but say someone who cannot move is paralyzed told you you don't know what suffering is, does that mean you haven't suffered?

I don't think so. We are all unique and our suffering is personal to us. So none dare tell another their suffering means nothing

About your question, I have magical moments a lot of the time. Only last night, there was this amazing sunset--absolutely magical, and when I was looking at it from various perspectives I was feeling an ecstasy and imagining diving into the little rippling pink gold clouds that looked and felt like the patterns of water you see in the sea

Like a child that plays from imagaination, to feel this you need to open up your imaginative places and not fear being seen-to-be 'mentally ill' for feeling playful and magical. because THAT myth is a big part of why people suppress their deeper playful being, even to themselves when no one is around


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #23689305 - 09/29/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Carlin was dark funny.

but I think much of life is magic or beyond comprehension.
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I'm dark too but that doesn't make me all that funny, just like he wasn't all that funny either at times.  Better than Robin Williams, that guy just pissed me off with his nonsense then he expected people to care about it but George was the real guy in that regard.  Mork was a Dork.



agreed, RW was beyond irritating - Mork was his best role and that was unnecessary too.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: zzripz]
    #23689312 - 09/29/16 05:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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...not fear being seen-to-be 'mentally ill' for feeling playful and magical. because THAT myth is a big part of why people suppress their deeper playful being, even to themselves when no one is around



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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #23689358 - 09/29/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

100% of life is magic. It couldn't possibly be anything else.

I can't always perceive the magic in life. But even when I can't I still know it's there.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: viktor]
    #23689443 - 09/29/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i found carlin to be closed minded at times.
i recently watched an old video with him on politically incorrect with bill maher and carlin was saying that believing in God and praying is a mental illness.
Then an actress said something about how God means different things for different people and hes all like "No! NO!!, God MEANS OLD MAN IN THE SKY!" he doesnt seem to understand many cultures have different definitions of God.
Then the lady said its just something you feel.
And carlin said "oh if you pray and believe in God then that automatically makes you a weak person."

and i pretty much lost it with him on that point.

It is a mistake to assume that YOU are automatically mentally stronger than someone just because what inspires their faith to be a strong person is unverified. That is almost the definition of arrogance. How on earth are you mentally stronger than someone who for example has the balls and the inspiration to do way more shit than you can even though what is giving them faith to achieve what you cannot isnt something that can be verified.

Its like saying "even though you are a fearless warrior brave enough to do things i wouldnt imagine doing,you are rendered automatically weak and weaker than any atheist because what inspires you to be so strong isnt proven."

There is an old saying "there are no atheists in a foxhole" Just because Carlin has had a comfy life shouldnt give him the right to look down at others who are struggling and need to look for faith in something beyond themselves to stay strong. we are only human and what inspires us shouldnt determine how strong of a person we are.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23689468 - 09/29/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I remember George Carlin saying something like: How much of our lives is truly magical -- how much time do we get in an utterly blissful, heavenly place? Maybe six minutes? I cannot help but agree with this assessment. How often are we really happy, happy to the point of forgetting everything? Not too often. And how much of that truly wonderful, magical joyousness do we get? Maybe George is right -- maybe it's around six minutes.

I'd say we'd be lucky if at the end of our lives we were genuinely and flawlessly happy one percent of the time. Five percent would be about the maximum, I would think. Ten percent would be a miracle -- or the by-product of an insane mind. The rest is routine, anger, depression, angst, failure, striving, working, slaving, fighting, and certainly not least, boredom. Mostly boredom and tedium, I would say. But whatever we're doing, we don't seem to be in that place of the greatest imaginings, that place of no pain, that place of joy and lived magic, very much of the time.

Considering this rationally, does it not seem a bit silly to consider death the greatest horror? A random sampling of our lives would show that, honestly, we're not missing much.  But I digress.  How do y'all feel about it?





    I don't know about magic, but I agree with most of your post.

And I agree with ZZripz, who was more or less saying that we know that some people have it much worse, but we rationalize our own discontent, because it is all we really experience.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: viktor]
    #23689480 - 09/29/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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100% of life is magic. It couldn't possibly be anything else.



The culture we've formed over the years works soooooo fucking well to distract us from this fact IMO. And what little does still exist in our culture has been so corrupted and distorted as to literally rip the magic out of it.

But like viktor, I've no doubt it's there any more; one just has to take the time to focus on it.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23689498 - 09/29/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

what does everyone mean specifically by magical?

like "glamorous/glorious" or "supernatural/mystical"?


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23689504 - 09/29/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the problem of god versus magic is one of mistaken identification.
magic has no specific beard or personality (here Carlin is right).
it is the sum of what is not comprehended (here Carlin misfires).

the problem of intellect and closed minded-ness is related, in that to comprehend means to enclose.

the more things comprehended, then, the more things are cut away from what they really are in the magical world (mind) where things are interconnected, and only momentarily distinctly individual.

It is a fine line to walk, where the mental universe is allowed to be magical, and discrete perceptions are fostered to prevent driving accidents, to enable work, and support child rearing.

This is where it gets really magical: that we allow a magical universe to continue and embrace discrete perceptions and "comprehensions" as well. It should be taught in primary school.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23689539 - 09/29/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i wonder what would happen if we stop allowing a magical universe to continue and only focused specifically on what we can verify and comprehend.

My predictions are that our creativity would take a huge hit.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23689651 - 09/29/16 08:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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i wonder what would happen if we stop allowing a magical universe to continue and only focused specifically on what we can verify and comprehend.

My predictions are that our creativity would take a huge hit.



I don't think we can actually function with all "magic" turned off, I don't believe there is even a way to turn it off entirely.
no switch, but you can always think in tighter circles providing the illusion that comprehension is greater than incomprehension.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23689662 - 09/29/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

i know that if i dropped all the fantasies and "irrational thoughts" that go on in my brain then it would be some sort of mental lobotomy on my whole personality and way of thinking.
My brain is very sensitive to patterns and making connections, even in noise, especially in noise. I think if this was taking from me i would lose almost all of my ability to be "poetic" in creative tasks i do.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23690947 - 09/29/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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... How much of our lives is truly magical -- how much time do we get in an utterly blissful, heavenly place? Maybe six minutes? ...





Not long there was a thread here, where many were saying how they didn't take themselves seriously, now many are whining about how they don't get enough of the goodies in life. Funny.

Short term memory loss?
Or perhaps the ability to be somewhat 'centered', is underrated.
As well as the ability to distinguish modes of attention, from the contents of attention.

http://www.openfocusattentiontraining.com/

The Open Focus theory (four attention styles)


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23691055 - 09/29/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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the problem of intellect and closed minded-ness is related, in that to comprehend means to enclose.

the more things comprehended, then, the more things are cut away from what they really are in the magical world (mind) where things are interconnected, and only momentarily distinctly individual.




Wonder if it is just me or do others here go through myriads of stories just looking at something, if you get me?

Small example, I was watching some drama on TV last night, and there was this simple scene of closeup of moisture on a car roof. The lighting was good, it was at night, and in a flash i was observing it and imagining observing it tripping, and comparing how some people may look and explain it and how you may feel seeing it with psychedelic inspiration

And I thought how the scientific mindset WILL try and enclose 'it' and explain-just-exactly -what-moisture-is and why it acts like that with the environment. THE END. lol
Whereas in a psychedelic state of mind, and/or artistic state or mind, poetic, reflective--however you want to say, then the observation and experience is a phenomenon which is VERY alive,connective, and mysterious, which does not exclude a scientific interpretation, but sees you do not need that to enclose and conclude the experience.


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23691058 - 09/29/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

goodies? who has the goodies
is it a goodies video?


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Re: How much of life is magic? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23691395 - 09/29/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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goodies? who has the goodies
is it a goodies video?






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