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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23784307 - 10/30/16 01:51 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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the only thing I will be beware of is ideas such as that.




Yes, our ego wants us to believe our suffering is so very special.

To abandon this foolish idea is scary. We want our suffering to be unique.

If we acknowledge what we go thru millions have gone thru, we lose our grandiosity.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23784317 - 10/30/16 02:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I am not just against the the biomedical psychiatrists, but also psychologists and psychotherapists who will use this form of oppression on others, acting as gatekeepers for oppressive culture. For both the drug and non drug so-called 'mind expert' they are using power over you to explain that how you are feeling is a disease or cognitive disorder.




Researchers who study behavior aren't trying to change YOU or anyone. 

Why do you view cause & effect relationships as "oppression"?  Are you paranoid?

Do you want to abandon the investigation why so many people are miserable?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23784485 - 10/30/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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zzripz said:

the only thing I will be beware of is ideas such as that.




Yes, our ego wants us to believe our suffering is so very special.

To abandon this foolish idea is scary. We want our suffering to be unique.

If we acknowledge what we go thru millions have gone thru, we lose our grandiosity.




'our'...?

another's suffering is special and is unique to them. Of course it is.

you just seem to want to wish it away because of some Eastern beliefs you believe in about 'ego'


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23784487 - 10/30/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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zzripz said:
I am not just against the the biomedical psychiatrists, but also psychologists and psychotherapists who will use this form of oppression on others, acting as gatekeepers for oppressive culture. For both the drug and non drug so-called 'mind expert' they are using power over you to explain that how you are feeling is a disease or cognitive disorder.




Researchers who study behavior aren't trying to change YOU or anyone. 

Why do you view cause & effect relationships as "oppression"?  Are you paranoid?

Do you want to abandon the investigation why so many people are miserable?




Who is 'STATING' this to me as though you are MY authority?

...could it be...you EGO? :what2:


the ego who knows what's what, and demands others follow what it believes whilst blaming others for having one?

you 'argument' is incredibly superficial and hypocritical


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23787523 - 10/31/16 04:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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please read the article I linked to?




Its way too long so i quickly flew over it. Also its published in a journal known for scaremongering which makes me even less inclined to read the whole thing.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23787600 - 10/31/16 06:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well, a) if you don't make effort to read and watch things you won't learn

and b) so your saying that informing people their minds are not computers is scaremongering?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23787714 - 10/31/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

a) thats true but i have the strong suspicion that the article is unnecessarily long and thus isnt worth reading

b) no im just saying that the reputation of the journal makes me less likely to read the whole article


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23789084 - 10/31/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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a) thats true but i have the strong suspicion that the article is unnecessarily long and thus isnt worth reading

b) no im just saying that the reputation of the journal makes me less likely to read the whole article




so a) your one of the Twitter generation who think a paragraph is a novel right?

so b) it is not only the author of that article that says it.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23789468 - 10/31/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i don't think anyone is like reading a sentence on Twitter and going "nice novel but can you shorten it?"

:lol:


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23790702 - 11/01/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Why Minds Are Not Like Computers






the article is not bad, but it is not saying what you think it is saying.
It declares that the current trends in AI are inappropriate because we have not yet come to terms about what our minds are and what they do.

It suggests that in some future we will succeed as a species who can create artificial minds but only after we abandon the current directions that have become ingrained.

"we are not programs" that are running it states several times.

for the most part I agree with the author, and while we are each not a digital apparatus, I believe that it will be possible, some day, to simulate consciousness in a digital apparatus after we piece together what is happening in our brains, and we will be able to record experience and play it back one to another using some methods that are not yet developed (and the best proof of that is this very fuzzy cat video)


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23790759 - 11/01/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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zzripz said:


Why Minds Are Not Like Computers






the article is not bad, but it is not saying what you think it is saying.
It declares that the current trends in AI are inappropriate because we have not yet come to terms about what our minds are and what they do.

It suggests that in some future we will succeed as a species who can create artificial minds but only after we abandon the current directions that have become ingrained.

"we are not programs" that are running it states several times.

for the most part I agree with the author, and while we are each not a digital apparatus, I believe that it will be possible, some day, to simulate consciousness in a digital apparatus after we piece together what is happening in our brains, and we will be able to record experience and play it back one to another using some methods that are not yet developed (and the best proof of that is this very fuzzy cat video)




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the article is not bad, but it is not saying what you think it is saying.




patronizing. And don't pretend you know what I think.

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I believe that it will be possible, some day, to simulate consciousness in a digital apparatus after we piece together what is happening in our brains, and we will be able to record experience and play it back one to another using some methods that are not yet developed




I do not believe that and think it is a preposterous idea dreamed up by technomatrix-heads who do not even know their own minds. You cannot, and that is the point.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23790807 - 11/01/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

making the facts of the thread personal does not help clarify anything except that you have some persona feelings about me not about what I am writing.

BTW
nobody else bothered to read the article you posted.

I gave you another chance before, many times, and I did it again here, but doing so always bites me. this is a pattern.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23791024 - 11/01/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

which implies one can be wholly impersonal........? :shocked:

lol. yeah sure. If you wanna play those games do, but I sees through 'em'. In actuality there is no such thing as wholly impersonal or wholly personal, like there isn't such a thing as wholly objective or wholly subjective. These are dynamics
it helps not to be rude though Mr redgreenvines

In another post you were personal with me saying I was 'addicted to oppression'? You will explain it away as NOT being personal but it is as personal as it can get so don't pretend. Not to me. To yourself most likely.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23791052 - 11/01/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think you are 95% addicted to the idea of oppression

and I never wrote of wholly personal or wholly impersonal as those distinctions are unrealistic in our natural world where relative purity is always expressed by percent, such as 99.98% for substantially pure.

do you think we have drifted off topic yet?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23791070 - 11/01/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Was reading through an old journal; of mine where I had written:
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'De~press~ion is the response to a chronic situation of no flux, no escape, so response mirrors the trap. Mono-mood. No way out. not even an idea there could be a way out because the crushing matrix is so all-pervasive.
Many people termed 'clinically depressed'  aren't even aware why they feel like that. They are un~conscious of real deep reason. Eg, that the culture is toxic.'




This scenario reminds me of the ' rat cage' the Likely Cause of Addiction Has Been Discovered, and It Is Not What You Think

A rat in cage is given choice betwen food or drugs heroin or coke etc, and it chooses the drugs which will even causes it death. However, when introduced to a 'rat park' where it has more freedom than a cage it chooses food and life!

Well many of us live or exist in cages, both physically and psychologically and many not EVEN be aware of being in a cage, but yet manifest symptoms like depression and addiction etc

The 'experts' who are also gatekeepers usually will not even mention the 'cage', or be aware of it themselves, and rather blame the victims because of 'chemical imbalance and/or cognitive distortion'.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23799381 - 11/03/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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...another's suffering is special and is unique to them. Of course it is.





There's 7.1 billion people on Earth. Everyone's misery falls into about 5 categories.

Are you claiming there are 7.1 billion types of suffering    :shocked:

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The 'experts' ... rather blame the victims because of 'chemical imbalance and/or cognitive distortion.




There is a ton of evidence cognitive distortions cause misery.

Do you have any idea what cognitive distortions are?

Have you ever studied emotional disturbances?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23799825 - 11/04/16 06:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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zzripz said:

...another's suffering is special and is unique to them. Of course it is.





There's 7.1 billion people on Earth. Everyone's misery falls into about 5 categories.

Are you claiming there are 7.1 billion types of suffering    :shocked:

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zzripz said:

The 'experts' ... rather blame the victims because of 'chemical imbalance and/or cognitive distortion.




There is a ton of evidence cognitive distortions cause misery.

Do you have any idea what cognitive distortions are?

Have you ever studied emotional disturbances?




lol your funny. Have I studied them? I have experienced them!

And yes, everyone's suffering is unique to them ,,,,obviously.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23804033 - 11/05/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Suffering = resistance

the principle is simple

the application tends to be trickier.

Hence some practice Vipassana meditation to retrain the nervous system.

I have seen meditators who were less reactive  than the norm to similar stimuli;

but personally I claim little progress in this dimension.

A former poster here: 'icelander' claimed some remarkable results


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23804944 - 11/05/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you ever studied emotional disturbances?




lol your funny. Have I studied them? I have experienced them!




Everyone experiences emotional disturbances. Very few have investigated what causes them!

When someone pulls a gun trigger, there are cognitive distortions in play.


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