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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23756529 - 10/20/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I always think of this problem as such:  many illnesses and pathological conditions can also be accompanied by depression as a symptom.  Think about epilepsy, for example.  Even things like the flu can trigger depressive symptoms. 

Therefore, there IS some physiological basis for depression, and that basis probably can exist by itself. 

And of course I know that people that are abused,etc, can have depression (environmental condition) so I think this question is a no brainer.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756660 - 10/21/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Many scientists and psychologists say there's just no evidence behind these claims.

If someone reacts with violence to an event, the event is not responsible for the violence.

If someone reacts with depression to an event, the event is not responsible for the depression.

If there was a biological basis for emotions, people would be tested for it.

But there is no test because there is no evidence. Not one single test.

Currently it's popular to see our problems as medical issues. TV ads tell us this every day.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23756972 - 10/21/16 04:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Many scientists and psychologists say there's just no evidence behind these claims.

If someone reacts with violence to an event, the event is not responsible for the violence.

If someone reacts with depression to an event, the event is not responsible for the depression.

If there was a biological basis for emotions, people would be tested for it.

But there is no test because there is no evidence. Not one single test.

Currently it's popular to see our problems as medical issues. TV ads tell us this every day.





sO DEPRESSION That accompanies epilepsy is not a medical condition?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #23757061 - 10/21/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Many scientists and psychologists say there's just no evidence behind these claims.

If someone reacts with violence to an event, the event is not responsible for the violence.

If someone reacts with depression to an event, the event is not responsible for the depression.

If there was a biological basis for emotions, people would be tested for it.

But there is no test because there is no evidence. Not one single test.

Currently it's popular to see our problems as medical issues. TV ads tell us this every day.




Altough as many people who know me here will know, I am also against the mental illness myth. But I disagree with:

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If someone reacts with violence to an event, the event is not responsible for the violence.


If someone reacts with depression to an event, the event is not responsible for the depression.




Saying that lets those who create violent oppression off the hook just as does the accusation that to have anger or depression is biologically caused.

Of course if there are people doing all kinds of terrible things to your lives, loved ones, land etc you will most likely feel violent towards them, and also deeply sad. And the cause IS their actions.

We live in a very oppressive civilization and it because OF this oppression may people feel violent and sad, and suicidal and  anxious etc etc etc.

Take the example in a typical school where a child HAS to go, and it gets bullied. The bullying IS the cause of them feeling sad, or angry or suicidal or anxious, and all included, etc.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23757068 - 10/21/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Mind / consciousness can easily override brain and regenerate it.

Everything is mind / imagination.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23757075 - 10/21/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Mind / consciousness can easily override brain and regenerate it.

Everything is mind / imagination.




Well sorry but that idea to me is the more ancient Eastern version of the West's agenda to numb emotions via drugs.

IE if you are feeling oppressed your blamed cause you not 'meditating' right (East)

(West)IE if you are feeling oppressed your blamed cause you not 'medicating' right.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23759600 - 10/21/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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But I disagree with:

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If someone reacts with violence to an event, the event is not responsible for the violence.
If someone reacts with depression to an event, the event is not responsible for the depression.



Saying that lets those who create violent oppression off the hook just as does the accusation that to have anger or depression is biologically caused.




I understand your point.        How about these examples...

If you get fired from your job, and you murder your boss, being fired was not the cause of the killing.

If your girlfriend dumps you, and you shoot yourself in the head, being dumped wasn't the cause of your suicide.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23760058 - 10/22/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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RJ Tubs 202 said:
Quote:

zzripz said:
But I disagree with:

Quote:

If someone reacts with violence to an event, the event is not responsible for the violence.
If someone reacts with depression to an event, the event is not responsible for the depression.



Saying that lets those who create violent oppression off the hook just as does the accusation that to have anger or depression is biologically caused.




I understand your point.        How about these examples...

If you get fired from your job, and you murder your boss, being fired was not the cause of the killing.

If your girlfriend dumps you, and you shoot yourself in the head, being dumped wasn't the cause of your suicide.




As to the first one, it depends on circumstance. IE if the person has been through so much and relied on the job to feed his kids who he may lose and become homeless IF sacked then if this was last straw and the boss had humiliated him by sacking him for a little misdemeanor then you would have to be VERY hard-faced to not see a cause for him losing it. He also may just have thumped the boss and this led to him falling and bumping head and getting brain damage and death

Life is complex

Someone dumps you and you kill yourself. Again it depends on the case. You just cannot dissect cause from effect always like you seem to be trying to do.
he may have sacrificed a lot to make it work and she just treated him like shit etc etc etc


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23762654 - 10/22/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

When someone kills another or themselves due to being fired or dumped, the "trigger" is within their psyche.

How in the holy name of Jesus can you say being humiliated and homeless is a trigger for murder?

(Of course being fired doesn't mean you can't get another job. There are always jobs available)

(and someone can always find another partner)


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23763285 - 10/23/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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When someone kills another or themselves due to being fired or dumped, the "trigger" is within their psyche.

How in the holy name of Jesus can you say being humiliated and homeless is a trigger for murder?

(Of course being fired doesn't mean you can't get another job. There are always jobs available)

(and someone can always find another partner)




oh young man (?) you lead a very sheltered life

think what you want, there's no getting through obviously


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23763409 - 10/23/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

wait, there is getting through,
with compassionate eyes, imagine a mental state in which you have become convinced that there is no getting another job, the mental state has titanium barriers to any out side input on the matter which has "stubbornly" been decided after a lifetime of consistent confirmations, & self fulfilling prophesies, that this would always happen.
everything has gone too far.

imagine this dark impenetrable world sealed using the strongest mental constructs.

---- in a clinical situation, using drugs and regular talk therapy, the "titanium" can be softened in places to let the light in.

this would be a beginning.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23763503 - 10/23/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the very demand to HAVE a job is oppressive.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23763549 - 10/23/16 08:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

existence with no demands is also oppressive if you look at it with sensitivity.

so we endure gravity and air pressure and live and make art.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23763605 - 10/23/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

you are just using words to try and prove some point.

Living with natural gravity, and air pressure is NOT the same as some fat cat causing you to have to do soul-destroying work for fear of being the plaything of the welfare and/or made home-less

you are not looking at the bigger picture; the infrastructure of oppression, but use words to try and make it seem normal

words are exactly what the shrinks and big pharma industry and their marketing use to try and make people believe a false reality.Just arrange words and try and out wit someone so they accept their oppression and don't question it


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23764164 - 10/23/16 12:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

well excuse me for typing words here, in order to explain things.
I can see that communicating more vaguely by referring to the subtext in videos is much more appropriate for dolphins like you.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23764565 - 10/23/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

explain away things more like


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23765327 - 10/23/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

away from what you are putting in the place of what is maybe.

we struggle with shifting the perception of significance in issues.
I try to flatten the context just a bit to look down at it as a whole living system, you try to see each condition as another instance in which the same perps and victims acting out a heroic war.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23765423 - 10/23/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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oh young man (?) you lead a very sheltered life

think what you want, there's no getting through obviously




Cognitive distortions are exaggerated irrational thought patterns that create
and perpetuate emotional disturbances, such as depression, anxiety, and rage.

Interviewing violent people and reading suicide notes, we uncover cognitive distortions.

When we interview people with chronic depression and anxiety, we see cognitive distortions.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23765609 - 10/23/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

cognitive distortions, yes. indeed. sounds reasonable.


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