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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: 404]
#23703372 - 10/03/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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some people have a passion about things they care about deeply. this is a very serious subject. lots of people have been well and truly abused by this!
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: psychobla]
#23704624 - 10/03/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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psychobla said: Studies show that exercise is a more potent antidepressant than any prescription currently available. Ever heard of runner's high?
Don't you think everyone with depression already knows this?
Hint: it's not a lack of knowledge about the benefits of exercise that is hard when one is depressed. It's finding the will to exercise despite the depression.
Note also that when a person is not depressed exercise naturally feels good because of endorphins etc. When a person is depressed there is much less pleasure and thus exercise feels like torture.
Saying "studies show that you should get off your lazy arse" is not very helpful.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: viktor] 1
#23704633 - 10/03/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Refusing to be alive and who you are goes a long way to destroying your emotional life / causing depression.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: beforethedawn] 2
#23705760 - 10/04/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said: All subjective states of mind have biochemical correlates. However, correlation does not mean causation! There has not been any specific chemical discovered that is cause for clinical depression. At best, medicine has found correlations with less than optimal presence of the neurotransmitter Serotonin, so SSRI (Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor) medicines keep Serotonin 'floating' in the synaptic space between neurons so that the Serotonin doesn't bind with the neurons but continues to conduct impulses to bring up our mood. Internal conditions that contribute to depression are called endogenous. Environmental-social conditions for depression are referred to as situational depression.
More correlations than just serotonin... Serotonin has more to do with grief and loss..... If you can't experience pleasure, that adhedonia , and has more to do with a sense of hopelessness, and is more related to dopamine..... If you can't even get off the couch and take a shower, that's psychomotor retardation, norepinephrine may play a roll.... Substance p is another neurotransmitter, it's released when the body encounters pain (acute or chronic) Drugs that inhibit substance p signaling can relieve depression, demonstrating the body is using physical pain pathways to experience psychic pain.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: viktor]
#23706188 - 10/04/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: viktor]
#23706387 - 10/04/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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viktor said:
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psychobla said: Studies show that exercise is a more potent antidepressant than any prescription currently available. Ever heard of runner's high?
Don't you think everyone with depression already knows this?
Hint: it's not a lack of knowledge about the benefits of exercise that is hard when one is depressed. It's finding the will to exercise despite the depression.
Note also that when a person is not depressed exercise naturally feels good because of endorphins etc. When a person is depressed there is much less pleasure and thus exercise feels like torture.
Saying "studies show that you should get off your lazy arse" is not very helpful.
Sure it's hard to motivate yourself to exercise when you're depressed but if you are truly depressed would you not want to do anything that could make you better? As insensitive as it sounds i don't really sympathize with depressed people who sit around complaining. Whenever i'm in a depressed phase i do anything that might ease it even just a bit.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: olson]
#23706455 - 10/04/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just for the record, I work out on average 5 to 6 times a week. Day 1 chest & triceps, Day 2 back & biceps, Day 3 legs & shoulders, Day 4 is my rest day. And repeat... I've stopped commenting in this thread because of what it has turned into. I'm not going to post a picture of myself on the internet but I'm in more than good physical shape.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#23707241 - 10/04/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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having good physical integrity is the basis for health, but also mental resiliency has to be developed.
that is elusive, but, part of it is in how unsatisfactory moments become normal, using mental contents awareness mixed with body sensation awareness.
I mean we all know life is not one perfect situation after another, but part of us wants everything just like Angelina Jolie, or maybe not.
We are hella big consumers, and really the advertising and social media gets way under our skin such that we are easily motivated to seek remedy for anything unsatisfactory. (and most everything is at least by some reckoning unsatisfactory)
and you know. we don't have to fix everything.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#23707373 - 10/04/16 04:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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beforethedawn said: Refusing to be alive and who you are goes a long way to destroying your emotional life / causing depression.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
#23721042 - 10/09/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zzripz said: that explanation reminds me of the new age mantra to always be 'positive thinking' and god help you if you dare to criticize a cult, a movement, any authoritarian set up, including the big society oppressing us---for that mindset it means YOUR thinking is 'too negative' and you need to meditate bla bla so in other words, thinking itself becomes a scapegoat!
Are you aware of the many types of irrational thoughts people have?
I've never once said anything about the bullshit "positive thinking" you refer to.
People often think in irrational ways. Let's deal with reality man.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: viktor]
#23726804 - 10/10/16 09:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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viktor said:
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psychobla said: Studies show that exercise is a more potent antidepressant than any prescription currently available. Ever heard of runner's high?
Don't you think everyone with depression already knows this?
Hint: it's not a lack of knowledge about the benefits of exercise that is hard when one is depressed. It's finding the will to exercise despite the depression.
Note also that when a person is not depressed exercise naturally feels good because of endorphins etc. When a person is depressed there is much less pleasure and thus exercise feels like torture.
Saying "studies show that you should get off your lazy arse" is not very helpful.
exactly as usual words and labels and undefined terms lead to simplistic thinking ... self pity gets confused with apathy ... and many other shades ... so a person associates depression w self pity and feels justified in being judgemental ... another form of blindness ... etc. or another thinks exercise must 'cure' it ... failing to realize their own discomfort with the reality of the vulnerability of the human condition ... and on it goes ...
Bruce Sprinstein (rock star) was just on NPR (has a book out) talked about battles with depression ... sorry folks ... we're all potentially vulnerable ...
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: laughingdog]
#23729999 - 10/12/16 12:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The depressed mind is a liar.
The addicted mind is a liar.
The violent mind is a liar.
The anxious mind is a liar.
The suicidal mind is a liar.
The mind is not to be trusted.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23730289 - 10/12/16 06:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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meditating is a form of thinking, it is characterized by cultivated mental content that is actively monitored with gentle practice. deliberately controlling your own mental contents is difficult and rewarding. it also changes one's perspective.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines] 1
#23732712 - 10/12/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Insight meditation has no goal and is not about changing any aspect of experience.
It is simply observing.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23733468 - 10/13/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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well it does a kind of reassembly of self, a humble coming together of the bits and pieces at the still waters. life is better with insight meditation than without it in my opinion, although it can be challenging to just sit
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
#23733705 - 10/13/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: well it does a kind of reassembly of self, a humble coming together of the bits and pieces at the still waters. life is better with insight meditation than without it in my opinion, although it can be challenging to just sit
funny
of course if one were meditating - in some vipassana styles, one would label: "life is better with insight meditation than without it in my opinion, although it can be challenging to just sit", as 'thought' or 'talk' and not waste time taking it seriously...as one returns attention to the object of meditation (often the breath or more labeling of sensation / perceptions)
and of course likewise the above statement
funny
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but to say: "meditating is a form of thinking,.."
could be very misleading, to beginners or the simply curious...
that definition seems to be generally associated with 'contemplation'.
Whereas in meditation, as you already know, ideally, there begins to be a distinction between thought and awareness, with the result that ... etc etc
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: laughingdog]
#23733930 - 10/13/16 12:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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a strict translation from pali for meditation (i think it was ana-pana sati) was "non-discursive thought" which means thought without dialog (dialog being the internal review and rehersal of conversations and repetition of 'nonsense')
unless you need to be constructed of magical soul dust (with rules of its own we can never know), any event in mind is sensation or sensation induced association (including perception, or memory, or partial thought formations (geometry, color, soundforms, cadences, movement, emotion...)).
all of these (thought)forms that occur in mind, including every part of meditation practice are made of the same thought-material.
meditation practice uses the associative apparatus of mind.
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: laughingdog]
#23740865 - 10/15/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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laughingdog said:
of course if one were meditating - in some vipassana styles, one would label: "life is better with insight meditation than without it in my opinion, although it can be challenging to just sit", ...
To observe how thoughts and reactivity create emotional experiences can stand outside of the realm of "better".
I'd prefer, life is more "whole", than life is "better" But I get it! "Whole" is preferred to fractured. 
It's like the koan, "You must lose yourself to find yourself."
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23740977 - 10/15/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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seems to be a misunderstanding here meaning was along these lines:
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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: laughingdog]
#23741624 - 10/16/16 07:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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well it includes what you thought it was and then you begin again.
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