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If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain?
    #23687909 - 09/28/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Or does it stem from environmental aspects?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123] * 1
    #23687954 - 09/28/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I believe it is thought that both can be causes, either separately or in combination.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: DividedQuantum] * 3
    #23688005 - 09/28/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe it is thought that both can be causes, either separately or in combination.



My life experience, through my own experiences and the deep knowing of others, serves only to validate this standpoint.

Humans seem to like to think 'we've got it all worked out' for some reason, rather than to admit 'we know nothing'.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23688027 - 09/28/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

mental states are characterized by some  supporting chemical activity and by the specific content of experience which includes thoughts.

repetition of experience/thought etc. can produce chemical changes which will affect the persistence of the mental state.

one feeds off the other. many chemicals are involved.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23688114 - 09/28/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I could be in the middle of a firefight and pop a couple xstacy tabs and I would feel pretty damn good regardless. It's all a chemical situation.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23688167 - 09/28/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The above is true.

The question is, how does the brain relate to the will?

Can we fulfill some conditions that allow the will to subjugate the brain?

Or do we inhabit this vehicle?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23688168 - 09/28/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I thinks it's known as a "chemical imbalance."  However your environment can effect your perception of yourself and the world.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23688222 - 09/28/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I see. So one dig themselves in a deep hole little by little? I don't recall what life experience started this way of thinking for me but I do recall it began around the age of 14 and progressively got worse. Since this last move it's gotten drastically worse.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23688230 - 09/28/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There is no one cause for depression IMO and there doesn't have to be an experience that starts it off.  It's a chronic relapsing brain disease IMO.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23688237 - 09/28/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I see. So one dig themselves in a deep hole little by little? I don't recall what life experience started this way of thinking for me but I do recall it began around the age of 14 and progressively got worse. Since this last move it's gotten drastically worse.




I know this is really unpopular advice around these parts, but maybe you should talk to a doctor.  No need for pills, necessarily, just talk.  Can't hurt.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23688333 - 09/28/16 08:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Every once in a while, for the past year or so, I've thought about doing that. If things don't turn around soon or get worse I think I'll have to. I've read that depression shortens one's life span. I'm depressed but I don't want to die sooner than I'm supposed to.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123] * 1
    #23688976 - 09/28/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

situation
thoughts and attitude
biochemistry
genetics

some have chronic pain, or even some on their death beds, & are not depressed.

bipolar disorder is treated chemically.

cognitive therapy, talk therapy, and meditation help some.

Isolation and loneliness affect people differently.

Some find exercise and diet also may play a part.

There are many different types of 12 step groups where people talk about their problems, and avoid high therapist's fees. I was in a group for artists once, it was 12 steps only in a very general sort of way, after meetings some of us went to the coffee shop, and developed friendships.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23689246 - 09/29/16 03:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The chemical imbalance story is basically bullshit used to sell non-working "antidepressants".
The biochemical signature of depression is so complexly distributed over many neurotransmitter types, that we basically don't have a clue how it works.
But we claim to, for making big money.

Usually, therapy greatly helps those who can't open themselves to others because they are ashamed or simply have nobody. For those, just talking about it usually helps a lot. It's amazing how many people just don't do this in everyday life.

For myself, I can't even remember or imagine how it is to be not depressed. It's basically ruining my life and studying psychology and reflecting a lot doesn't help shit.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23689268 - 09/29/16 04:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Or does it stem from environmental aspects?




you need to Google 'mental illness myth' and look at links, and recommended articles, books, videos, and in this way you should learn that this civilization has as its central social controlling myth the myth of mental illness which , by 'myth', is not meant that how you feel is not real, but that the 'accepted' idea that 'depression' is a biologically-caused 'chemical imbalance' is a hoax. Even psychiatrists are admitting this is so, though critics of the pharmo/shrink cartel have been informing about this for many many years

So OK, say you know all that but you still feel depressed, what then?

First I will ask you, are you aware of reasons why you feel so down?


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: zzripz]
    #23690253 - 09/29/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I think I do know.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: laughingdog]
    #23690467 - 09/29/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

situation / situations
thoughts / attitude / beliefs
biochemistry
genetics

and there is another subtle but powerful factor

http://www.openfocusattentiontraining.com/2015/02/09/attention-styles-and-personalities-traits/


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123] * 2
    #23690477 - 09/29/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

All subjective states of mind have biochemical correlates. However, correlation does not mean causation! There has not been any specific chemical discovered that is cause for clinical depression. At best, medicine has found correlations with less than optimal presence of the neurotransmitter Serotonin, so SSRI (Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitor) medicines keep Serotonin 'floating' in the synaptic space between neurons so that the Serotonin doesn't bind with the neurons but continues to conduct impulses to bring up our mood. Internal conditions that contribute to depression are called endogenous. Environmental-social conditions for depression are referred to as situational depression.


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #23690834 - 09/29/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm afraid that depression is much more complex than 'serotonin floating in the synaptic space between neurons', other neurotransmitters and receptor types may be involved, along with the immune system and certain types of genes. One that was recently identified as being an additional culprit in 5 major psychiatric disorders including depression was a gene called CACNB2 and regulates the flow of calcium in the neurons, regulating the action potentials in respective types of neurons


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23690905 - 09/29/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

and this is what you will find. Endless searches for chemical, and genetic, etc causes for 'depression', anxiety, etc etc etc etc
this is what the biomedical model shrinks and their benefactors big pharma do: pathologize feeling..............and then? ...THE DRUGS COME AND GET PUSHED!! and their profits are made. it is a BIG business. rakes in B I L L I O N S!

Why the Rise of Mental Illness? Pathologizing Normal, Adverse Drug Effects, and a Peculiar Rebellion


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Re: If you suffer from depression is there something chemically wrong inside your brain? [Re: 404]
    #23690912 - 09/29/16 02:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Environmental aspects and genetic factors both give rise to the same symptoms collectively termed 'depression'. So in either case there is 'something chemically wrong with your brain'.
How one gets to the point of depression will be unique to the individual. Interestingly, psychotherapy and medication both work equally well at treating endogenous
and environmental depression, which is not what you would expect if they were fundamentally different from each other.


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