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Montreal Bans Pitbulls
    #23687675 - 09/28/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23687704 - 09/28/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:havesomesantorum: who gets to decide what a pit bull is?


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23687737 - 09/28/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't agree with such bans but I'm not sure a petition like this is likely to make much difference to anything. Why should "Montreal Mayor" and "Canada president" (if such a person even existed) care what a bunch of internet randoms, many of whom are probably from places other than Montreal or Canada, think about the topic?


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: psi]
    #23687743 - 09/28/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sush you. It'll be hand delivered to the president of Canada.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23687768 - 09/28/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sush you. It'll be hand delivered to the president of Canada.





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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #23687834 - 09/28/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php
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34 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2015. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 82% (28) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 91% of the total recorded deaths in 2015. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 11-year period of 2005 to 2015.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 11-year period. From 2005 to 2015, pit bulls killed 232 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 41, about one citizen every 98 days.
In the year of 2015, the combination of pit bulls (28), their close cousins, American bulldogs (2), and rottweilers (3) contributed to 97% (33) of all dog bite-related fatalities. Both American bulldog fatalities occurred in Miami-Dade County, Florida.






http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
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Pit bull owners, breeders and animal advocacy groups have created a slew of myths and distortions about the pit bull breed to fight breed-specific laws. Below are the top 10 myths.
Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed
The outdated debate, "It's the owner, not the breed," has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 30-year old problem.1 Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings -- inflicted by the pit bull's genetic "hold and shake" bite style -- on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull's behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries.
The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.3
Purveyors of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and their family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2015, pit bulls killed 232 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days. Of these deaths, 51% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.5




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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #23687848 - 09/28/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So what you're saying is that pitbulls are less dangerous than peanut butter and bath salts. :philososloth:


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23687861 - 09/28/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My city a few years ago removed the restrictions on pit bull breeds. So you were allowed to own them but they needed muzzles and we're not allowed in off leash areas, needed special insurance, etc. Oddly enough there hasn't been a massive surge of biting incidents tho it seems like there are more of them around.

However it should be noted that at the end of the day, not having to muzzle my dogs has not resulted in a decrease in them slobbering on people who pet them.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23687878 - 09/28/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:shrug:  It doesn't matter much to me to be honest.  I'm with Patrick, in that in terms of fatalities, dog bites are not a statistic threat to me or anyone really.  I don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak.  That said, according to at least one source, pit bulls are far and away the deadliest of dog breeds, so i can see where legislators are coming from.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23687883 - 09/28/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I live in montreal, my facebook feed is all fuckin pitbulls so fuckin annoying. I dont talk about it cause i have lots of friends who has pitbulls but

I been personally been harrased for years by a pitbull, everyday after school he would run after my bike tryin to bite me but he was bitting in the back wheel. Today i would of stab that fuckin dog or make him drink radiator coolen or something.

But i understand to ban only one race is stupid.

But idk why most pitbull owners are stupid af, all my friends that have pitbulls are the same kind of stupid


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #23687886 - 09/28/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23687915 - 09/28/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Any relatively large sized dog can be dangerous or deadly. If Pitbulls were wiped from the face of the Earth today, it would just be another breed that gets the "most dangerous breed" title tomorrow. Wipe that one and you move on down the line until we're left with only fucking corgis and chihuahuas. Banning certain breeds is not the answer. It's actually a pretty retarded idea. I'm assuming that people with Pitbulls will be held to some higher standard of liability should the ones that already exist attack someone, which means there will undoubtedly be "at least a few" owners who just dump their dog off on the side of the road somewhere to avoid having to pay to have it rehomed elsewhere or facing said liability if their dog does attack someone.

It will also likely drive a sort of black market for the breed and the people shopping for black market goods are probably the last people you want in possession of "a dangerous dog breed".


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23688081 - 09/28/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.





all this sounds just like a discussion about race/blacks


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Love_spirit] * 1
    #23690164 - 09/29/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.





Condemning Pit Bulls is just being ignorant and failing to realize those scum bags seem to always want Pit Bulls.  Why?  Because they can look intimidating and have a bad rap.


What is there to analyze?  I don't care about numbers, specifically because of my previous paragraph.  Scum bags like to own Pit Bulls, leading to them being treated badly and raising their attack statistics.

I have had Pit Bulls in our family, my friends have had them, I've ran into them randomly.  Never ONCE was I scared.  Never once have I been attacked or even had one move towards me aggressively. 

People who are scared of a specific breed are pathetic.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23690419 - 09/29/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Love_spirit said:
The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.





Condemning Pit Bulls is just being ignorant and failing to realize those scum bags seem to always want Pit Bulls.  Why?  Because they can look intimidating and have a bad rap.




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all this sounds just like a discussion about race/blacks





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What is there to analyze?  I don't care about numbers, specifically because of my previous paragraph.  Scum bags like to own Pit Bulls, leading to them being treated badly and raising their attack statistics.





pitbulls have such high numbers for many reasons, the biggest is that people dont
know the difference between most dogs, everything from bull dogs to mastiffs are
labeled as put bulls, if it's a large terrier breed it's often called a pit bull
and even sold as a pit bull, if it's a terrier mix, they call it a pit, they dont
call them terriers such as an Am Staff or patterson terrier because they look like
pit bulls so they must be pit bulls. maybe if the butt monkeys claiming these dogs
are so dangerous had a clue about them then we'd have a better picture of which
dogs are biting most often

another major reason pits are claimed to be so dangerous is that they're only
basing it on fatalities, small dogs tend to be more aggressive than larger breeds
but smaller dogs cant do much damage, it would take them hours to kill you while a
larger breed could do it in a few minutes. the ass clowns are so afraid for the
larger breeds that they even concoct and perpetuate myths such as 'locking jaws',
genetic aggression and 'bred for fighting' to instill fear


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23690435 - 09/29/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think Denver has this ban already as well


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23690440 - 09/29/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

denver is populated with retarded hippie twats


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23690448 - 09/29/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm totally against the ban of pitbulls. It's the only dog I would consider to get if I ever had a dog.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23690451 - 09/29/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You're right.  Many dogs be claimed as pit bulls are not actually pits, they just look alike.

Your other point is also spot on, I have been attacked numerous times by tiny little ankle biting shit heads.  But there was no damage cause they can barely get through my socks.


I've had to tell multiple people that the "locking jaw" BS is just a myth, they actually still think its real.  Propaganda at its finest.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23690468 - 09/29/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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denver is populated with retarded hippie twats




John Elway is from Denver.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Patlal]
    #23690475 - 09/29/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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denver is populated with retarded hippie twats




John Elway is from Denver.



You showed him!


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23690481 - 09/29/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What are they going to ban next?, sharp corners?..

Pit bulls can be pretty aggressive tho, most dogs are, only difference is pit bulls are usually very strong. Maybe they can get tougher on regulation laws, like bigger fines and what not , but killing them doesn't seem like a very good solution..


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: zZZz]
    #23690487 - 09/29/16 12:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Many large breeds are strong.

My doberman was literally my best friend, RIP to him he was my life.  But, he was extremely strong, like could probably had ripped the flesh from my arm if he got ahold of it. Yet he was loving and loyal, never hurt so much as a fly because I raised him with love.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23690496 - 09/29/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We had a half rot half Doberman, very strong indeed.

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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23690500 - 09/29/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You're right.  Many dogs be claimed as pit bulls are not actually pits, they just look alike.




some really dont even look like pit bulls, people just say they are because it's
easy to blame since the fear mongering is always about pits

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Your other point is also spot on, I have been attacked numerous times by tiny little ankle biting shit heads.  But there was no damage cause they can barely get through my socks.




I've been bit by a miniture schnauser, a chow chow and a german shepherd, the
first 2 I deserved, the shepherd was a guard dog and I was too close to the fence,
that fucker managed to get over it and get me. luckily I was wearing thick leather
but I damn sure felt the force of that bite on my shoulder. not his fault, he was
doing what he was trained to do. it was my own carelessness that got me bit


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I've had to tell multiple people that the "locking jaw" BS is just a myth, they actually still think its real.  Propaganda at its finest.





when I was a kid and up until I left high school, I heard that dobermans were
dangerous, the reason, their brains swell and they go insane causing them to turn
on their owners, I grew up with dobies, they were the most tolerant and patient
dogs I've ever had. I also heard that Rotties were vicious dogs, it's never been
my experience. I've heard the same about chows, that they're most likely to turn
on their owners and I have seen that happen but I also saw how the owner treated
the dog including the couple of times he beat the dog with a shovel


I keep comparing this argument of pit bulls to blacks, people claim that pits have
an aggression gene, if so, do blacks also have the same gene? look at the blacks
in the US, they're responsible for half the violent crime, look at the rioting and
looting as of late, is it due to genetics? Are we to argue that it's about the
society that we live in oppressing black people that triggers these responses and
we also see how this carries over to african nations and the rampant violence
there, is it nature or nurture and why do these fear mongering liberals not apply
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Patlal]
    #23690501 - 09/29/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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denver is populated with retarded hippie twats




John Elway is from Denver.





what's a john elway?


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23690509 - 09/29/16 01:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I've heard that name before.. Too lazy to look it up tho..


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23690515 - 09/29/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What dogs don't at least try to lock their jaws when they bite?...

I have a German Sheppard  pup who I literally have to pry her jaw open to get her to stop chewing on trash. She has been raised lovingly though and never bites me like that,  when she bites me its a soft/ gentle playful bite.

Same thing goes for pit bulls.  I have known tons of loving pit bulls :shrug:


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: SloppyJoseph]
    #23690524 - 09/29/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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denver is populated with retarded hippie twats




John Elway is from Denver.



You showed him!




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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: zZZz]
    #23690538 - 09/29/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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We had a half rot half Doberman, very strong indeed.

Rip to ur pup :peace::heart:





A half rot/Half dobbie sounds beautiful.  Thanks, his death was sudden and painful but he lived a great life while he had it. :heart:


Pris, I see the same things.  People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.

Dobbies are definitely tolerant and patient.  I would come home from work, be greeted with a smiley pup and he'd flop down ready for me plop down right ontop of him for some hugging and belly rubs.

Also, the guy you saw beating his dog with a shovel is exactly what I am talking about.  Animals are pure instinct and react to their surroundings and an abusive asshole is going to cause a dog to act out and become scared of humans resulting in attacks.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23690543 - 09/29/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I keep comparing this argument of pit bulls to blacks, people claim that pits have
an aggression gene, if so, do blacks also have the same gene? look at the blacks
in the US, they're responsible for half the violent crime, look at the rioting and
looting as of late, is it due to genetics? Are we to argue that it's about the
society that we live in oppressing black people that triggers these responses and
we also see how this carries over to african nations and the rampant violence
there, is it nature or nurture and why do these fear mongering liberals not apply
it to both equally



So you're saying ban blacks too?
I know some members here think this is a good idea.

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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: musiclover420]
    #23690546 - 09/29/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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What dogs don't at least try to lock their jaws when they bite?...

I have a German Sheppard  pup who I literally have to pry her jaw open to get her to stop chewing on trash. She has been raised lovingly though and never bites me like that,  when she bites me its a soft/ gentle playful bite.

Same thing goes for pit bulls.  I have known tons of loving pit bulls :shrug:





Exactly.  Every time I've tried to get a chew toy from a dogs mouth they bite down even harder.

It's not to be aggressive, they're just being terds :cuteshit:


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #23690682 - 09/29/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.




Yeah considering most people killed by dogs are children I would say they had it coming.  Those things are obnoxious.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23690703 - 09/29/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever seen a kid grab a dogs tail or fur? Not saying they "deserve" to be bit but parents should watch their kids and keep them from being rough with dogs.

That would probably prevent like 90% of dog attacking children and the other 10% could be stopped with good training...

On this subject my friends have pure bred Mastiffs, huge grey dogs. Their male mastiff whose head is fucking huge apparently ran up to and knocked a kid over once. Then he stood over the kid and urinated on him :lol: It was not a super little kid and the dog was just being aggressive/ dominant. Thankfully the kid was fine overall.

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Exactly.  Every time I've tried to get a chew toy from a dogs mouth they bite down even harder.

It's not to be aggressive, they're just being terds :cuteshit:




Yeah dogs do that as part of their playful spunky nature, my little pooper just ripped up a foam pad that was laying around :shakefist:


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    #23690738 - 09/29/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I keep comparing this argument of pit bulls to blacks, people claim that pits have
an aggression gene, if so, do blacks also have the same gene? look at the blacks
in the US, they're responsible for half the violent crime, look at the rioting and
looting as of late, is it due to genetics? Are we to argue that it's about the
society that we live in oppressing black people that triggers these responses and
we also see how this carries over to african nations and the rampant violence
there, is it nature or nurture and why do these fear mongering liberals not apply
it to both equally



So you're saying ban blacks too?
I know some members here think this is a good idea.

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I'm saying if it's genetic, then it's genetic, if it's not then it's not, cant have it both ways


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    #23690749 - 09/29/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I heard if black people bite you their jaw locks up and they don't let go even after they die :sadyes:


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    #23690753 - 09/29/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Have you ever seen a kid grab a dogs tail or fur? Not saying they "deserve" to be bit but parents should watch their kids and keep them from being rough with dogs.





you cant say those things, you can never blame the people, it's always the dogs



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On this subject my friends have pure bred Mastiffs, huge grey dogs. Their male mastiff whose head is fucking huge apparently ran up to and knocked a kid over once. Then he stood over the kid and urinated on him :lol: It was not a super little kid and the dog was just being aggressive/ dominant. Thankfully the kid was fine overall.





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    #23690764 - 09/29/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.




Yeah considering most people killed by dogs are children I would say they had it coming.  Those things are obnoxious.





I have to go with what MusicLover said.  A lot of kids need to be watched closer by their parents.  They antagonize the poor dogs until its had its last poke, prod, slap or kick.  I don't want a child hurt but at that point I can't blame the animal.


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    #23690783 - 09/29/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Seriously, pets are like children in many ways and parents need to watch over their children just like pet owners need to watch after their pets...

My pup is very excitable and any time a kid comes over she bum rushes them and tries jumping all over them becouse she is so excited. She isn't trying to hurt kids she is just a spazz, so know whenever kids come over I keep a close eye on my pup and make sure she doesn't knock any kids over or accidentally scratch them.

I would bet 99% of child related dog attacks could have been prevented by simply keeping a closer eye on the kids and pets...


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    #23690798 - 09/29/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.


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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.




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And it worked really good. . .


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    #23690821 - 09/29/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Seriously, pets are like children in many ways and parents need to watch over their children just like pet owners need to watch after their pets...

My pup is very excitable and any time a kid comes over she bum rushes them and tries jumping all over them becouse she is so excited. She isn't trying to hurt kids she is just a spazz, so know whenever kids come over I keep a close eye on my pup and make sure she doesn't knock any kids over or accidentally scratch them.

I would bet 99% of child related dog attacks could have been prevented by simply keeping a closer eye on the kids and pets...





I agree, 100% to your 99%.  Lack of responsibility probably plays a major roll.

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.





If only we could, though.  Ban pieces of scum from owning ANY animals.


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    #23691006 - 09/29/16 03:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.




Yeah considering most people killed by dogs are children I would say they had it coming.  Those things are obnoxious.




When I was about 13 or so, me and my bro were walking home from a friends house and on our way there we ran into two of the worlds biggest pit bulls, I've yet to see pits bull that size, but they were loose and sniffing around, there wasn't anyone around either, the streets were empty, well as soon as they saw us they stopped what they were doing and they immediately sensed our fear, they barked and ran towards us and we ran and were able to hop on top of a car, the owner of the car was home and she came out of the house and told us to wait there until the dogs left, then she gave us a ride home.

Pretty sure those dogs would have mauled us to death had they caught up to us, sometimes dogs, even the nice ones, will react to fear, doesn't matter if ur intentions were good, if they sense ur fear, and they feel like they can take u on, they will..


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    #23691066 - 09/29/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.




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And it worked really good. . .





this is what happens when you dont ban the marijuanas, the users go rabid, their brains swell and they attack people and eat their faces.

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    #23691068 - 09/29/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Two mutts attacked me once, coming at me viciously across a field with their teeth barred.  I pretended I was scared and started running and when they were right behind me I turned, jumped up in the air, made a hideous face and screamed and started chasing them.  You could still hear them yiping with terror about 3 blocks away. :rofl2:


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People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.




Yeah considering most people killed by dogs are children I would say they had it coming.  Those things are obnoxious.




When I was about 13 or so, me and my bro were walking home from a friends house and on our way there we ran into two of the worlds biggest pit bulls, I've yet to see pits bull that size





yeah, that's probably because they werent pit bulls, pits dont get much past knee
height at the shoulder, other dogs that are frequently mistaken for pits do get
pretty big. pits arent big dogs.






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    #23691128 - 09/29/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Two mutts attacked me once, coming at me viciously across a field with their teeth barred.  I pretended I was scared and started running and when they were right behind me I turned, jumped up in the air, made a hideous face and screamed and started chasing them.  You could still hear them yiping with terror about 3 blocks away. :rofl2:




I love doing this to my pup. Once she was being a bitch face and wouldn't stop chewing on me (playfully of course) so I moved really slowly while she looked at me confused then suddenly mock lunged for her. She was so startled she flopped backwards off the couch :lol: it was one of the funniest things I have ever seen, helped show her who's boss though.

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    #23691160 - 09/29/16 04:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.




Yeah considering most people killed by dogs are children I would say they had it coming.  Those things are obnoxious.




When I was about 13 or so, me and my bro were walking home from a friends house and on our way there we ran into two of the worlds biggest pit bulls, I've yet to see pits bull that size





yeah, that's probably because they werent pit bulls, pits dont get much past knee
height at the shoulder, other dogs that are frequently mistaken for pits do get
pretty big. pits arent big dogs.










My sisters pit was about a medium size.  Probably about as big as that first picture.

She was named Pancake, rescued by her and my brother in law out in the desert after she had been beaten and unloaded out there with a broken leg.  She was pure skeleton but they nurtured her back to full health and she was so happy and appreciative.  My tiny little cat loved her too, it would come up and rub all over her and Pancake would just take it like a sweet heart.  Her past abuse caused a lot of damage and she ended up passing away from something brain related but it was nice knowing that she passed w/ the love of a family.


That's what all those poor dogs need.  With this ban, all those dogs who have been abused and neglected will never know what its like to have a family who loves them.  Instead, they will be put to sleep simply because of fear mongering.


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    #23691191 - 09/29/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Also that is a beautiful story :heart: My old wolf dog was a rescue who was probably abused in the past and she was the sweetest most loving dog I have known.

When she was rescued she was roaming the country side killing the neighbors chickens at a property where she and 2 other dogs were abandoned. They would have been put down especially the wolf but my grandma bought the property and found homes for the other 2 dogs. Me and my mom took the wolf. The original owner actually demanded her back later which we couldn't really fight.

One year on the 4th of july though we saw our old wolfdog being held at the collar next to a busy street. She had apparently been running around frightened and this couple grabbed onto her. They asked us if it was our dog to which we said yes and she lived with us from then on until her passing :heart:


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    #23691285 - 09/29/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ive encountered many "pit bulls" in my life and all have been loyal, loving and reapectful. If you place a dog in a stressful enviroment, including negligence of care, of course he will defend him or herself in a desperate measure to survive the situation. Humans seem to just always find something to kill. Kill yourselfs first. ( That goes to the politicians and related bankers ect.)

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    #23691302 - 09/29/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

Also that is a beautiful story :heart: My old wolf dog was a rescue who was probably abused in the past and she was the sweetest most loving dog I have known.

When she was rescued she was roaming the country side killing the neighbors chickens at a property where she and 2 other dogs were abandoned. They would have been put down especially the wolf but my grandma bought the property and found homes for the other 2 dogs. Me and my mom took the wolf. The original owner actually demanded her back later which we couldn't really fight.

One year on the 4th of july though we saw our old wolfdog being held at the collar next to a busy street. She had apparently been running around frightened and this couple grabbed onto her. They asked us if it was our dog to which we said yes and she lived with us from then on until her passing :heart:





That's nice that you were able to find homes for the other 2 dogs.  It seems as though the original owner of your wolf dog must not have cared about the well-being of the animal, only that it was her "property".  I am only guessing that since you found it lost on the street with somebody else.  Sounds like fate brought you guys back to that dog so it could live the rest of its life happy and loved! :smile:


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    #23691305 - 09/29/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




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    #23691364 - 09/29/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That's nice that you were able to find homes for the other 2 dogs.  It seems as though the original owner of your wolf dog must not have cared about the well-being of the animal, only that it was her "property".  I am only guessing that since you found it lost on the street with somebody else.  Sounds like fate brought you guys back to that dog so it could live the rest of its life happy and loved! :smile:




Yeah it really was fate, and it was my Grandma who found the other 2 homes. One was a big furry chow and the other was a little ankle biter who was super playful/ rowdy. The original owner was a POS, he abandoned all 3 dogs then later wanted the wolf back. All 3 were probably abused, our wolf definitely showed signs of it in her behavior at times.

It really did feel meant to be and we loved that wolf dearly, her name was actually Sweetie becouse she was one of the most loving dogs I have ever known. She also had one of the most human like and complex personalities I have seen in a dog which seems common for wolf hybrids. Sadly we had to put her down when she got too old/ frail but I did my best for her, even was giving her really strong red vein kratom instead of her pills which did wonders for her anxiety swelling and pain.


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    #23692226 - 09/29/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I keep comparing this argument of pit bulls to blacks, people claim that pits have
an aggression gene, if so, do blacks also have the same gene? look at the blacks
in the US, they're responsible for half the violent crime, look at the rioting and
looting as of late, is it due to genetics? Are we to argue that it's about the
society that we live in oppressing black people that triggers these responses and
we also see how this carries over to african nations and the rampant violence
there, is it nature or nurture and why do these fear mongering liberals not apply
it to both equally



So you're saying ban blacks too?
I know some members here think this is a good idea.

:kkk: . . . :peace:




I'm saying if it's genetic, then it's genetic, if it's not then it's not, cant have it both ways


and for the record, there's already been a nation wide ban on owning black people




Thats not how genetics works bro.  Many traits are controlled or influenced by a number of genes which my or may not have analogues in other organisms.  In addition, many genes influence more than one function and most of them don't code for a protein at all, but are instead influencing the expression of the genes that do.  In other words, yes, it is possible (and there's evidence to support this) that there is an aggression gene or set of genes that are shared across several species of mammal including rats and siberian foxes.  Humans and dogs could potentially have analogous genes that influence the same trait(or group of traits as it were).  However, since dogs don't get to vote, it's much easier to legislate dogs than people. (Oops, i made your argument in the end there didn't i?) Indeed, many people (i am one) would say: "fuck the dogs, people come first!".  Don't mistake me for a dog hater though; i like dogs.


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yeah, that's probably because they werent pit bulls, pits dont get much past knee
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People who are getting bit by large dogs, a lot of them had it coming.  Dogs know to protect and if you invade their property or hurt their owner, they are going to defend and attack.




Yeah considering most people killed by dogs are children I would say they had it coming.  Those things are obnoxious.




When I was about 13 or so, me and my bro were walking home from a friends house and on our way there we ran into two of the worlds biggest pit bulls, I've yet to see pits bull that size, but they were loose and sniffing around, there wasn't anyone around either, the streets were empty, well as soon as they saw us they stopped what they were doing and they immediately sensed our fear, they barked and ran towards us and we ran and were able to hop on top of a car, the owner of the car was home and she came out of the house and told us to wait there until the dogs left, then she gave us a ride home.

Pretty sure those dogs would have mauled us to death had they caught up to us, sometimes dogs, even the nice ones, will react to fear, doesn't matter if ur intentions were good, if they sense ur fear, and they feel like they can take u on, they will..




I was installing a waterheater one time in this guy's front yard. I don't know why it was in the front, but he signed the waiver saying it would be on him when it didn't pass inspection.  Anyway, there i am doing my thing, when i hear all this commotion across the blvd.  I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull, not 200 lbs of mastiff] pit chasing a guy up the street. the guy made it to his house and shut the door with about 2 steps to spare, and then the dog went looking for more trouble.  He ran across the road, and started going apeshit up against my customers fence trying to bust through to get at the customers dogs.  So while the dog was occupied, i grabbed up my 24" pipe wrench shouldered it and squared up.  By the time the bastard gave up on fence and looked my way, i was ready for him.  He charged me and got prepared to bring the wrench down in an overhead smash, but he stopped about 4 feet from me and crouched back like he wanted to jump.  I looked him in the eye, and he looked back at me, and i knew he was sizing me up, deciding whether to go for it or not.  We stared at each other like that for maybe 5 to 10 seconds, but it felt like a minute.  Then he just barked and bounded away across the street again.  I went back to work, and his owner came walking up the street calling the dog and waving his food bowl.  Lady was probably 5'3", 120lbs, and maybe 60 years old.  Needless to say, i finished my work and was long gone before that lady got her crazy dog under control.  Lucky for me, I was a grown man with a deadly weapon in my hands, and not a little kid playing in the yard.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Hobozen]
    #23693604 - 09/30/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




We should domesticate and legalize cougars and then get all butthurt when they start mauling people. "It's not the cougars, it's the humans!"





Pound for pound cats are much more agile, stronger, and more efficient killers than any dog.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm? If not, your point is not only a dumb one but a horrible comparison.


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    #23693607 - 09/30/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That's nice that you were able to find homes for the other 2 dogs.  It seems as though the original owner of your wolf dog must not have cared about the well-being of the animal, only that it was her "property".  I am only guessing that since you found it lost on the street with somebody else.  Sounds like fate brought you guys back to that dog so it could live the rest of its life happy and loved! :smile:




Yeah it really was fate, and it was my Grandma who found the other 2 homes. One was a big furry chow and the other was a little ankle biter who was super playful/ rowdy. The original owner was a POS, he abandoned all 3 dogs then later wanted the wolf back. All 3 were probably abused, our wolf definitely showed signs of it in her behavior at times.

It really did feel meant to be and we loved that wolf dearly, her name was actually Sweetie becouse she was one of the most loving dogs I have ever known. She also had one of the most human like and complex personalities I have seen in a dog which seems common for wolf hybrids. Sadly we had to put her down when she got too old/ frail but I did my best for her, even was giving her really strong red vein kratom instead of her pills which did wonders for her anxiety swelling and pain.





Notice how even with abuse we and others have came in contact with large breeds who ended up being the sweetest animals we have ever known?  Dogs aim to please their owners, not fear them.  They just want to be loved! :thumbup:


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    #23693609 - 09/30/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I keep comparing this argument of pit bulls to blacks, people claim that pits have
an aggression gene, if so, do blacks also have the same gene? look at the blacks
in the US, they're responsible for half the violent crime, look at the rioting and
looting as of late, is it due to genetics? Are we to argue that it's about the
society that we live in oppressing black people that triggers these responses and
we also see how this carries over to african nations and the rampant violence
there, is it nature or nurture and why do these fear mongering liberals not apply
it to both equally



So you're saying ban blacks too?
I know some members here think this is a good idea.

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I'm saying if it's genetic, then it's genetic, if it's not then it's not, cant have it both ways


and for the record, there's already been a nation wide ban on owning black people




Thats not how genetics works bro.  Many traits are controlled or influenced by a number of genes which my or may not have analogues in other organisms.  In addition, many genes influence more than one function and most of them don't code for a protein at all, but are instead influencing the expression of the genes that do.  In other words, yes, it is possible (and there's evidence to support this) that there is an aggression gene or set of genes that are shared across several species of mammal including rats and siberian foxes.  Humans and dogs could potentially have analogous genes that influence the same trait(or group of traits as it were).  However, since dogs don't get to vote, it's much easier to legislate dogs than people. (Oops, i made your argument in the end there didn't i?) Indeed, many people (i am one) would say: "fuck the dogs, people come first!".  Don't mistake me for a dog hater though; i like dogs.





so you're saying that it's genetic


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    #23693617 - 09/30/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull


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    #23693625 - 09/30/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, that's probably because they werent pit bulls, pits dont get much past knee
height at the shoulder, other dogs that are frequently mistaken for pits do get
pretty big. pits arent big dogs.









oh no, they were definitely pit bulls. pit bulls can get big af. not all of them are stocky.





no, pit bulls dont get big as fuck, they're a medium size dog, if you saw a 'pit
bull' that was 'big as fuck' then you didnt see a pit bull, you saw a breed you
mistook for a pitbull and that's not uncommon since a lot of people have mix
breeds they still call pits and other breeds that people are trying to pass off as
pits, I've actually seen someone trying to sell a short hair golden retriever mix
being sold as a pit bull

here's a prime example of "this is not a pit bull but they claim it is..."
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hulk-pit-bull-weighs-175-pounds/2015/03/05/id/628370/


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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull




I saw a pit bull mix, which are extremely common in the Los Angeles area.  A couple years ago, Pit Bull x French Mastiff was quite popular around here.  like a pit bull with an even bigger head

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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull




I saw a pit bull mix, which are extremely common in the Los Angeles area.  A couple years ago, Pit Bull x French Mastiff was quite popular around here.  like a pit bull with an even bigger head

Edit: many pit bull regulations include derivative breeds





pit bull regulations also include many dogs that arent pit bulls. breed specific legislation
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It's hard to define what a pit bull really is since it isn't even technically a breed, wonder how they plan to enforce this


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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull




I saw a pit bull mix, which are extremely common in the Los Angeles area.  A couple years ago, Pit Bull x French Mastiff was quite popular around here.  like a pit bull with an even bigger head

Edit: many pit bull regulations include derivative breeds





pit bull regulations also include many dogs that arent pit bulls. breed specific legislation
is retarded and shows the ignorance of legislators and the general public.




meh, if you don't include derivatives in the law, assholes will just do an end run around it by making crossbred pits. :shrug:


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    #23693659 - 09/30/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's hard to define what a pit bull really is since it isn't even technically a breed, wonder how they plan to enforce this





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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23693808 - 09/30/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm personally quite happy about this. I really hate everything about pitbulls. Canada will undoubtedly be a safer place now.

It sickens me to see irresponsible people buying these vicious animals and then innocent people having to suffer the consequences.


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    #23693814 - 09/30/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.




we cant ban irresponsible marijuana addicts so we banned marijuana instead




Inconsistent analogy.

Irresponsible marijuana addicts only harm themselves directly. Irresponsible pit bull owners harm innocent people significantly. Have you seen that gnarly video of an innocent old man getting wrecked by two pit bulls in NY?


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    #23693822 - 09/30/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

IIRC the owner of the dogs ordered them to attack that man in NYC. I could train any breed to attack. Again it's not the breed it's the owner. Ban bullies and people will just use rotties or dobermans or cane corso or dogos or akitas, etc etc.

Nearly all incidents stem from the owners. Charge the owners, jail them if they have nuisance animals. I can make a lab vicious if I was an abusive asshole.


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    #23694158 - 09/30/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm personally quite happy about this. I really hate everything about pitbulls. Canada will undoubtedly be a safer place now.





safer than what? canada has a rising violent crime problem, dogs are the least of your concerns
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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.




we cant ban irresponsible marijuana addicts so we banned marijuana instead




Inconsistent analogy.

Irresponsible marijuana addicts only harm themselves directly. Irresponsible pit bull owners harm innocent people significantly. Have you seen that gnarly video of an innocent old man getting wrecked by two pit bulls in NY?





false. irresponsible marijuana users directly harm many others just as
irresponsible drunks do, marijuana isnt some magical drug that makes
you a great driver like so many potheads seem to believe

https://www.rt.com/usa/316148-marijuana-related-deaths-injuries-study/


as for the NY attack, you mean the one where the dogs were trained to attack and
did so on command... is the problem with the dogs or the handlers?


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I'm personally quite happy about this. I really hate everything about pitbulls. Canada will undoubtedly be a safer place now.

It sickens me to see irresponsible people buying these vicious animals and then innocent people having to suffer the consequences.





You're personally quite happy about thousands of dogs being sent to death?


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no, pit bulls dont get big as fuck, they're a medium size dog, if you saw a 'pit
bull' that was 'big as fuck' then you didnt see a pit bull, you saw a breed you
mistook for a pitbull and that's not uncommon since a lot of people have mix
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pits, I've actually seen someone trying to sell a short hair golden retriever mix
being sold as a pit bull

here's a prime example of "this is not a pit bull but they claim it is..."
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hulk-pit-bull-weighs-175-pounds/2015/03/05/id/628370/




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. Charge the owners, jail them if they have nuisance animals.




yes, this, for sure.

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It's hard to define what a pit bull really is since it isn't even technically a breed, wonder how they plan to enforce this





American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed



Okay sure but the umbrella term pit by is not a breed and it will be interesting to see where they draw the line for what is a pit bull and what isn't. Clearly full bred american/staffordshire bull terriers qualify but there are a lot-arguably most- of dogs we call pit bulls that are mutts often mixed with a bit of lab or boxer


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