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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23693609 - 09/30/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I keep comparing this argument of pit bulls to blacks, people claim that pits have
an aggression gene, if so, do blacks also have the same gene? look at the blacks
in the US, they're responsible for half the violent crime, look at the rioting and
looting as of late, is it due to genetics? Are we to argue that it's about the
society that we live in oppressing black people that triggers these responses and
we also see how this carries over to african nations and the rampant violence
there, is it nature or nurture and why do these fear mongering liberals not apply
it to both equally



So you're saying ban blacks too?
I know some members here think this is a good idea.

:kkk: . . . :peace:




I'm saying if it's genetic, then it's genetic, if it's not then it's not, cant have it both ways


and for the record, there's already been a nation wide ban on owning black people




Thats not how genetics works bro.  Many traits are controlled or influenced by a number of genes which my or may not have analogues in other organisms.  In addition, many genes influence more than one function and most of them don't code for a protein at all, but are instead influencing the expression of the genes that do.  In other words, yes, it is possible (and there's evidence to support this) that there is an aggression gene or set of genes that are shared across several species of mammal including rats and siberian foxes.  Humans and dogs could potentially have analogous genes that influence the same trait(or group of traits as it were).  However, since dogs don't get to vote, it's much easier to legislate dogs than people. (Oops, i made your argument in the end there didn't i?) Indeed, many people (i am one) would say: "fuck the dogs, people come first!".  Don't mistake me for a dog hater though; i like dogs.





so you're saying that it's genetic


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23693617 - 09/30/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23693621 - 09/30/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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so you're saying that it's genetic







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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: zZZz]
    #23693625 - 09/30/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah, that's probably because they werent pit bulls, pits dont get much past knee
height at the shoulder, other dogs that are frequently mistaken for pits do get
pretty big. pits arent big dogs.









oh no, they were definitely pit bulls. pit bulls can get big af. not all of them are stocky.





no, pit bulls dont get big as fuck, they're a medium size dog, if you saw a 'pit
bull' that was 'big as fuck' then you didnt see a pit bull, you saw a breed you
mistook for a pitbull and that's not uncommon since a lot of people have mix
breeds they still call pits and other breeds that people are trying to pass off as
pits, I've actually seen someone trying to sell a short hair golden retriever mix
being sold as a pit bull

here's a prime example of "this is not a pit bull but they claim it is..."
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hulk-pit-bull-weighs-175-pounds/2015/03/05/id/628370/


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23693627 - 09/30/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull




I saw a pit bull mix, which are extremely common in the Los Angeles area.  A couple years ago, Pit Bull x French Mastiff was quite popular around here.  like a pit bull with an even bigger head

Edit: many pit bull regulations include derivative breeds


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23693637 - 09/30/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull




I saw a pit bull mix, which are extremely common in the Los Angeles area.  A couple years ago, Pit Bull x French Mastiff was quite popular around here.  like a pit bull with an even bigger head

Edit: many pit bull regulations include derivative breeds





pit bull regulations also include many dogs that arent pit bulls. breed specific legislation
is retarded and shows the ignorance of legislators and the general public.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23693641 - 09/30/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's hard to define what a pit bull really is since it isn't even technically a breed, wonder how they plan to enforce this


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23693655 - 09/30/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I turned around to see this massive[Edit: maybe 60-80lbs of solid pit bull





adult pits weigh between 30-60lbs

you didnt see a pitbull, you saw another dog and believed it to be a pitbull




I saw a pit bull mix, which are extremely common in the Los Angeles area.  A couple years ago, Pit Bull x French Mastiff was quite popular around here.  like a pit bull with an even bigger head

Edit: many pit bull regulations include derivative breeds





pit bull regulations also include many dogs that arent pit bulls. breed specific legislation
is retarded and shows the ignorance of legislators and the general public.




meh, if you don't include derivatives in the law, assholes will just do an end run around it by making crossbred pits. :shrug:


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: morrowasted]
    #23693659 - 09/30/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's hard to define what a pit bull really is since it isn't even technically a breed, wonder how they plan to enforce this





American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist]
    #23693808 - 09/30/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm personally quite happy about this. I really hate everything about pitbulls. Canada will undoubtedly be a safer place now.

It sickens me to see irresponsible people buying these vicious animals and then innocent people having to suffer the consequences.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23693814 - 09/30/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.




we cant ban irresponsible marijuana addicts so we banned marijuana instead




Inconsistent analogy.

Irresponsible marijuana addicts only harm themselves directly. Irresponsible pit bull owners harm innocent people significantly. Have you seen that gnarly video of an innocent old man getting wrecked by two pit bulls in NY?


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Alexestalex] * 1
    #23693822 - 09/30/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

IIRC the owner of the dogs ordered them to attack that man in NYC. I could train any breed to attack. Again it's not the breed it's the owner. Ban bullies and people will just use rotties or dobermans or cane corso or dogos or akitas, etc etc.

Nearly all incidents stem from the owners. Charge the owners, jail them if they have nuisance animals. I can make a lab vicious if I was an abusive asshole.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23694158 - 09/30/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm personally quite happy about this. I really hate everything about pitbulls. Canada will undoubtedly be a safer place now.





safer than what? canada has a rising violent crime problem, dogs are the least of your concerns
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Hippocampus said:
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Herbologist said:
Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.

I personally think this AWFUL.  It is not the dog, it is the owner.  They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size.  Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.

Please sign this petition, everyone!

https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls




Well, we can't ban shitty pit bull owners.  That's just way too difficult.




we cant ban irresponsible marijuana addicts so we banned marijuana instead




Inconsistent analogy.

Irresponsible marijuana addicts only harm themselves directly. Irresponsible pit bull owners harm innocent people significantly. Have you seen that gnarly video of an innocent old man getting wrecked by two pit bulls in NY?





false. irresponsible marijuana users directly harm many others just as
irresponsible drunks do, marijuana isnt some magical drug that makes
you a great driver like so many potheads seem to believe

https://www.rt.com/usa/316148-marijuana-related-deaths-injuries-study/


as for the NY attack, you mean the one where the dogs were trained to attack and
did so on command... is the problem with the dogs or the handlers?


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Alexestalex]
    #23694322 - 09/30/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm personally quite happy about this. I really hate everything about pitbulls. Canada will undoubtedly be a safer place now.

It sickens me to see irresponsible people buying these vicious animals and then innocent people having to suffer the consequences.





You're personally quite happy about thousands of dogs being sent to death?


Im not a fan of coke heads.  I deem most of them thieving assholes.  Based on your sig, Im guessing you do coke?  Maybe we should euthanize you before you kill someone?


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23694372 - 09/30/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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no, pit bulls dont get big as fuck, they're a medium size dog, if you saw a 'pit
bull' that was 'big as fuck' then you didnt see a pit bull, you saw a breed you
mistook for a pitbull and that's not uncommon since a lot of people have mix
breeds they still call pits and other breeds that people are trying to pass off as
pits, I've actually seen someone trying to sell a short hair golden retriever mix
being sold as a pit bull

here's a prime example of "this is not a pit bull but they claim it is..."
http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/hulk-pit-bull-weighs-175-pounds/2015/03/05/id/628370/




Pit bulls have a distinct quality, their jaws. If they've got the jaws, they're pit bulls. A bull shark is smaller in size compared to a great white shark, but they're still both sharks.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23695194 - 09/30/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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. Charge the owners, jail them if they have nuisance animals.




yes, this, for sure.

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I can make a lab vicious if I was an abusive asshole.





The way you phrased this implies that you acknowledge the common wisdom that labs have a much more gentle temperament than pit bulls.  just sayin.


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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23695876 - 09/30/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's hard to define what a pit bull really is since it isn't even technically a breed, wonder how they plan to enforce this





American Pit Bull Terrier is a breed



Okay sure but the umbrella term pit by is not a breed and it will be interesting to see where they draw the line for what is a pit bull and what isn't. Clearly full bred american/staffordshire bull terriers qualify but there are a lot-arguably most- of dogs we call pit bulls that are mutts often mixed with a bit of lab or boxer


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