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Montreal Bans Pitbulls
#23687675 - 09/28/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Montreal's mayor has passed a ban on Pitbulls.
I personally think this AWFUL. It is not the dog, it is the owner. They are no more dangerous than any other dog of their size. Thousands of dogs in shelters are now unavailable for adoption leading straight to euthanizing them.
Please sign this petition, everyone!
https://www.change.org/p/montreal-mayor-montreal-please-reverse-your-decision-to-ban-pitbulls
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who gets to decide what a pit bull is?
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I don't agree with such bans but I'm not sure a petition like this is likely to make much difference to anything. Why should "Montreal Mayor" and "Canada president" (if such a person even existed) care what a bunch of internet randoms, many of whom are probably from places other than Montreal or Canada, think about the topic?
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: psi]
#23687743 - 09/28/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sush you. It'll be hand delivered to the president of Canada.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: PatrickKn]
#23687768 - 09/28/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PatrickKn said: Sush you. It'll be hand delivered to the president of Canada.
which one, Terrence or Philip?
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist] 1
#23687834 - 09/28/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2015.php
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34 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2015. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 82% (28) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.6% of the total U.S. dog population.2 Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 91% of the total recorded deaths in 2015. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 11-year period of 2005 to 2015. The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 11-year period. From 2005 to 2015, pit bulls killed 232 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 41, about one citizen every 98 days. In the year of 2015, the combination of pit bulls (28), their close cousins, American bulldogs (2), and rottweilers (3) contributed to 97% (33) of all dog bite-related fatalities. Both American bulldog fatalities occurred in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
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Pit bull owners, breeders and animal advocacy groups have created a slew of myths and distortions about the pit bull breed to fight breed-specific laws. Below are the top 10 myths. Myth #1: It's the owner not the breed The outdated debate, "It's the owner, not the breed," has caused the pit bull problem to grow into a 30-year old problem.1 Designed to protect pit bull breeders and owners, the slogan ignores the genetic history of the breed and blames these horrific maulings -- inflicted by the pit bull's genetic "hold and shake" bite style -- on environmental factors. While environment plays a role in a pit bull's behavior, it is genetics that leaves pit bull victims with permanent and disfiguring injuries. The pit bull's genetic traits are not in dispute. Many appellate courts agree that pit bulls pose a significant danger to society and can be regulated accordingly. Some of the genetic traits courts have identified include: unpredictability of aggression, tenacity ("gameness" the refusal to give up a fight), high pain tolerance and the pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style.2 According to forensic medical studies, similar injuries have only been found elsewhere on victims of shark attacks.3 Purveyors of this myth also cannot account for the many instances in which pit bull owners and their family members are victimized by their pet dogs. From 2005 to 2015, pit bulls killed 232 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days. Of these deaths, 51% involved a family member and a household pit bull.4 Notably, in the first 8 months of 2011, nearly half of those killed by a pit bull was its owner. One victim was an "avid supporter" of Bad Rap, a recipient of Michael Vick's dogs.5
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa] 2
#23687848 - 09/28/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So what you're saying is that pitbulls are less dangerous than peanut butter and bath salts.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#23687861 - 09/28/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My city a few years ago removed the restrictions on pit bull breeds. So you were allowed to own them but they needed muzzles and we're not allowed in off leash areas, needed special insurance, etc. Oddly enough there hasn't been a massive surge of biting incidents tho it seems like there are more of them around.
However it should be noted that at the end of the day, not having to muzzle my dogs has not resulted in a decrease in them slobbering on people who pet them.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Pastywhyte]
#23687878 - 09/28/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter much to me to be honest. I'm with Patrick, in that in terms of fatalities, dog bites are not a statistic threat to me or anyone really. I don't have a dog in the fight, so to speak. That said, according to at least one source, pit bulls are far and away the deadliest of dog breeds, so i can see where legislators are coming from.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: ballsalsa]
#23687883 - 09/28/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I live in montreal, my facebook feed is all fuckin pitbulls so fuckin annoying. I dont talk about it cause i have lots of friends who has pitbulls but
I been personally been harrased for years by a pitbull, everyday after school he would run after my bike tryin to bite me but he was bitting in the back wheel. Today i would of stab that fuckin dog or make him drink radiator coolen or something.
But i understand to ban only one race is stupid.
But idk why most pitbull owners are stupid af, all my friends that have pitbulls are the same kind of stupid
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Herbologist] 1
#23687886 - 09/28/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.
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Any relatively large sized dog can be dangerous or deadly. If Pitbulls were wiped from the face of the Earth today, it would just be another breed that gets the "most dangerous breed" title tomorrow. Wipe that one and you move on down the line until we're left with only fucking corgis and chihuahuas. Banning certain breeds is not the answer. It's actually a pretty retarded idea. I'm assuming that people with Pitbulls will be held to some higher standard of liability should the ones that already exist attack someone, which means there will undoubtedly be "at least a few" owners who just dump their dog off on the side of the road somewhere to avoid having to pay to have it rehomed elsewhere or facing said liability if their dog does attack someone.
It will also likely drive a sort of black market for the breed and the people shopping for black market goods are probably the last people you want in possession of "a dangerous dog breed".
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Love_spirit said: The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.
all this sounds just like a discussion about race/blacks
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Love_spirit] 1
#23690164 - 09/29/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love_spirit said: The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.
Condemning Pit Bulls is just being ignorant and failing to realize those scum bags seem to always want Pit Bulls. Why? Because they can look intimidating and have a bad rap.
What is there to analyze? I don't care about numbers, specifically because of my previous paragraph. Scum bags like to own Pit Bulls, leading to them being treated badly and raising their attack statistics.
I have had Pit Bulls in our family, my friends have had them, I've ran into them randomly. Never ONCE was I scared. Never once have I been attacked or even had one move towards me aggressively.
People who are scared of a specific breed are pathetic.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23690419 - 09/29/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Herbologist said:
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Love_spirit said: The breed is more dangerous even with nice owners. Sounds like you haven't done any research and/or cant analyze it.
Condemning Pit Bulls is just being ignorant and failing to realize those scum bags seem to always want Pit Bulls. Why? Because they can look intimidating and have a bad rap.
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Prisoner#1 said: all this sounds just like a discussion about race/blacks
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What is there to analyze? I don't care about numbers, specifically because of my previous paragraph. Scum bags like to own Pit Bulls, leading to them being treated badly and raising their attack statistics.
pitbulls have such high numbers for many reasons, the biggest is that people dont know the difference between most dogs, everything from bull dogs to mastiffs are labeled as put bulls, if it's a large terrier breed it's often called a pit bull and even sold as a pit bull, if it's a terrier mix, they call it a pit, they dont call them terriers such as an Am Staff or patterson terrier because they look like pit bulls so they must be pit bulls. maybe if the butt monkeys claiming these dogs are so dangerous had a clue about them then we'd have a better picture of which dogs are biting most often
another major reason pits are claimed to be so dangerous is that they're only basing it on fatalities, small dogs tend to be more aggressive than larger breeds but smaller dogs cant do much damage, it would take them hours to kill you while a larger breed could do it in a few minutes. the ass clowns are so afraid for the larger breeds that they even concoct and perpetuate myths such as 'locking jaws', genetic aggression and 'bred for fighting' to instill fear
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23690435 - 09/29/16 12:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think Denver has this ban already as well
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denver is populated with retarded hippie twats
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I'm totally against the ban of pitbulls. It's the only dog I would consider to get if I ever had a dog.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23690451 - 09/29/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You're right. Many dogs be claimed as pit bulls are not actually pits, they just look alike.
Your other point is also spot on, I have been attacked numerous times by tiny little ankle biting shit heads. But there was no damage cause they can barely get through my socks.
I've had to tell multiple people that the "locking jaw" BS is just a myth, they actually still think its real. Propaganda at its finest.
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Re: Montreal Bans Pitbulls [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23690468 - 09/29/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: denver is populated with retarded hippie twats
John Elway is from Denver.
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