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Smoked DMT and saw the joker last night
    #23687513 - 09/28/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So last night i took four hits of lsd and once the peak was starting to come down i smoked DMT and had a vision of this morphing patterned "place" that looked only semi circus-y.

And once the place started to fade i had a last "wave goodbye" by some entity as the background was fading to black and its face was being layered with multiple images which were all taking their turn being in front and pushing other images side to side to make way.
I was able to make out a few of the elements of the figure like what images it was composed of and and i plainly saw the Joker, Specifically the Batman Cartoon one and a drama mask which were fighting to be the first image and could push eachother aside.
I made a small depiction with images off the internet and its almost exactly what i saw.



Then the comedown i had plenty of images in my eye of jokers and playing cards.

I should mention the i have a reasonably successful youtube channel which is dedicated partly towards investigating the clown and jester archetype because it was rumored to occur often with people and i wanted to find out more and get the information out to a wider audience.
This was later confirmed as i was having MANY people commenting on my channel and reporting that they have experienced a jester or clown in some form or another.

Now this next part is important because the MAIN reoccurring elements that people are reporting is that the jester often appears in checkered black and white backgrounds as multiple people on my channel have reported.
they have also repeatedly reported jack in the box type representations of the jester as well as drama mask being associated with it.
Lastly they also report playing card type archetypes which go along with the jester archetype.

If needed i can compile all the comments which verify these reoccurring patterns though i will just leave you with one report so that this thread doesnt drag on too long.

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Jean-guy Masta said:
So recently I had this pretty intense go with DMT . Had a hard time remembering what I saw , the only thing I remember is this clown , joker face . Not exactly like the pic but pretty similar , Didn't feel like entite tho it was moving with all the psychedelic pattern around it in this weird dimension I was.

The only thing I remember from hyperspace :ooo: heard about aliens and budda and stuff but shit Clowns and Chess board paterns?

I remember I was in a place were everything was a moving psychedelic pattern there was no walls really just moving psychedelic pattern with a chess board texture with black and white in the background . everything was like the neck of the joker in the pic (but with black instead of the red , like a chess board ) . it was spinning a lot and things went crazy pretty fast after that I just pressed the break cause it was getting too intense and all I was seeing was like a spinning lottery machine but with psychedelics dimension going in front of my eyes .

Was wondering if anybody saw the joker ??

Damn..Dmt is a hell of a drug , jesus :lol:




Now im bringing all of the up because recently i came across a post made by redgreenvine he was responding to a thread where someone was asking about the clown archetype as it was mentioned in rick strassmans book the spirit molecule.


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So RGV gave an interesting theory as to what is causing this phenomenon but personally i feel like it does not address the details and other archetypes that seem to accompany this phenomenon.
It seems like his explanation would make sense if a clown figure(which might imply meaning)is the only thing people are seeing but through these reports there are clearly other reoccurring elements which might have some symbolic meaning that accompany it.
I feel like his assessment is vastly speculative and largely dismissive.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19397862#19397862
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longstrangetrip8 said:
im currently reading dmt spirit molecule (great book!), and have noticed that jungs theories of archetypes are extremely similar to the content of a dmt trip, and his concepts of symbolism are equally applicable.




There are patterns that these guys are picking up on, which are common, however their theories are somewhat crackpot.

people have been fascinated with ideas, forms, and symbolic meaning since before symbolic language.

My take on it is collative (collective is close) and associative:
simply stated, if you have several images with the same idea in them and you can align them over each other like translucent slides, you will end up with a composite 'archetype' or symbol...
you have associated many individual ideas and made a collective symbol that blends all of them together.
Common features become enlarged and enhanced while uncommon ones become blended into the "noise" of the background to the figure. (keep this in mind when we discuss the clown - and trickster)
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longstrangetrip8 said:
For example, the book mentions how many people often feel that they are in "rooms" or experience traveling different places. this seems similar to a dream, and jung believed that different rooms/setting in a dream represented different parts of the mind associated with different feelings.




Memory links all the sense channels together for events that happened together in one moment, and it links a series of moments together in passage.
When you remember something you recall a tableau from fragmentary triggers (pieces of sensation or ideas that were in the "room") and the rest of the 'room' coalesces around that, while the memory of the moment gells, similar or adjacent moments also coalesce.

The gestalt of the memory is like a room, but more than a room it is like a dimension of that room like place with other similar rooms flickering nearby.

as with all memory, pieces of the memory are distributed all throughout the cortex. rooms are not physically sequestered, i.e. they cannot be surgically removed by excising a cluster of cells from the brain.
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longstrangetrip8 said:
I have also noticed that the content of DMT trips often contain jungian archetypes. One being the 'trickster'-it is pretty common for people to experience clowns, jesters, and other carnival like beings on a dmt trip. people also experience 'shadow beings', which of course coincides with jungs idea of 'the shadow'




Jung is totally appropriating mythology without actually proposing anything, although in appropriating and appreciating what is there, he does a great job of pointing the way to something interesting.

In any case, big lipped, red nosed, goofy eyes and hair with oversized buttons and shoes is exactly what you get when you create a layered image of a man using hundreds of men semitransparently.

If you are on DMT or any other psychedelic, and you look at the mirror, your reflection will  become clown-like as the persistence of vision layers your view of your wavering image. Clowns range from funny to hideous. the symbol's meaning is neither hideous or ludicrous unless you take it too seriously. It is composite.

The trickster is more than just a reflection of yourself visually, it is the layers of desire, wisdom, and folly that you yourself represent.
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longstrangetrip8 said:
not sure what to make of it, but its interesting to see some of the similarities between dreams symbolism, and the content of a dmt trip



etc.





From what i gather he is a materialist and does not believe there is any validity to phenomenon such as synchronicity and believes psychedelics seem to cause more synchronicities only because we are in more resonant mindstates and when we recognize patterns it causes resonance to occur making the experience seem meaningful.

Im still on the fence about this, ive had very impossibly synchronized experiences with dmt which involved internal dialogue with voices and the experience was systematically synchronized and i just have a hard time buying that it was all just noise and meaningless and that i was just more aware of patterns i was seeing.
I mentioned my experience to him and he is confident that my experience can be explained by his view of what is happening and i just cant accurately explain how bizarre and impossible my experience was to anyone.

Anyways the problem i have with his explanation is it is ignoring the obvious symbolism of the elements.
I will start with the checkered background pattern thing as it is universal to the dmt experience. Looking at hyperspace depictions its abundantly clear that this plays a role in the experience. Here is an example.


Now what amazes me is that its elements all seem to be way too conveniently paired in ways that seem to mimic our collective imagination of what details a joker has.

We collectively seem to associate checkered backgrounds with jokers outside of the dmt trip as if we decided on its attributes as a collective.
Just a simple google search "jester" will show you exactly what i mean.


Like it seems we decided on the attributes of a joker and it magically shows up in the DMT flash with all the attributes i mentioned.

Also out of all archetypes the DMT/psychedelic flash chooses clowns.
I find the almost too poetically coincidental that psychedelics are literally madness/schizophrenia/psychosis inducing as they have been labelled "Psychotomimetic Drugs" (A drug with actions that mimic the symptoms of psychosis, including delusions and/or delirium,)
As you know we all associate clowns with madness, just watch this small scene from family guy


I understand materialists will still look at this stuff and believe its just meaingless coincidence and that my mind is just masturbating to patterns it thinks its seeing but my spidey senses just feel like something is up. I understand that others wont see it or feel it the same way i do but based on my investigations, the explanations we have available just dont seem to rap up this mystery.

So what do you guys think? Are you happy with above explanation or do you need more.

I personally dont know what to think. i can only just observe.

Someone one my channel posted saying he works with people who are bipolar/schizophrenic and a lot of them talk about clowns apparently.


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