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The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan?
#23687246 - 09/28/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-summers-a-third-of-men-aged-25-54-will-be-out-of-work-by-2050-2016-9
Larry Summers, former US Treasury Secretary, says one third of working age (according to the BLS) men in 2050 will be out of work.
So, either we continue to descend into abject poverty, or we change something. What do you think we should change to have our society provide for everyone, without using jobs as a determining factor? Should we change anything at all?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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We should raise taxes on those who DO still have jobs to support those who dont
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I don't know quite what to do, but you are right that this is economic issue #1 for the next 25 years. And hardly anybody talks about it, certainly not the politicians. They wouldn't want to alarm their bases.
We'll either have to have the government create make-work, or organize society around something other than employment (whatever that means).
I honestly think Summers' numbers are conservative; based on what I've read, all this will happen much more quickly. Things will be extremely different economically even as soon as 2030, according to some estimates I've read. Just what it will be like is impossible to know, of course.
Time to start planning now before it's too late to avoid social catastrophe. Am I optimistic that we will? Nope.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Yeah, it's coming much quicker than 2050. The plan is nature will take its natural course like it always does, the human population is too large.
When a bee hive has too many bees, they start kicking out bees so they can make their own hive, we don't have another planet.
So will it be a another world war with mass genocide? Some are suggesting it has already started, survival of the fittest.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-summers-a-third-of-men-aged-25-54-will-be-out-of-work-by-2050-2016-9
Larry Summers, former US Treasury Secretary, says one third of working age (according to the BLS) men in 2050 will be out of work.
So, either we continue to descend into abject poverty, or we change something. What do you think we should change to have our society provide for everyone, without using jobs as a determining factor? Should we change anything at all?
That is if we are still under the obama and hillary's administration. They doesn't know anything about creating jobs. They has been creating illusions. Like for an example, hat they tells the companies to hire workers at half price while the federal taxes pays the other half. And then tells them to split up an 8 hour shift among 3 employees, that one employee takes the first 2.6 hours, and the second takes the next, and the third takes the remaining of the 8 hours. And then the government pays for their childcare. But I think that Trump was talking about having companies to start having their own daycare centers. But the main things is that they should not raise up the federal minimum wage, because if some states cannot afford to pay teachers their salaries, then how can they afford to pay them when the wages standards are being raised? And Trump idea on bringing jobs back into this country. that he is going to make it hard for companies that tries to move their businesses to other countries. Like he is going to give those companies to pay an higher import tax and which that will not make any sense for them to move away. But right now we are being charged a higher import tax, and while we are charging them nearly nothing. But if they stay here, that he will be giving them to pay a discount tax. But if minimum wage goes up, that it will scare those companies away. He has to try to keep cost down to keep businesses to stay. Like the prices on material needs to come down a little like steel and what ever. Or start using or making a cheaper alternative. And he is going to remove some of the regulations that are making it hard for businesses to stay in business. Because some of these businesses are being put out of business behind the schemes of the big corporations. That is why we need these corporate's whores to move them from out of the government offices. And start using new inventions that some big corporations are trying to keep them away. These new inventions will help create a lot more jobs.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman]
#23687543 - 09/28/16 04:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree that its fast approaching.
The most plausible, smoothest transition I can see is a much higher VAT and corporate tax rate in order to fund a UBI of some sort.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23687568 - 09/28/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know, let's import millions of poor people, that should fix it!
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23687572 - 09/28/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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qman is gonna ddos your computer for saying that
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I'm just trying thinking like a progressive, you know, isn't that what the smart people would do?
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Typically, yes.
The smarter people tend to be progressives.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: I agree that its fast approaching.
The most plausible, smoothest transition I can see is a much higher VAT and corporate tax rate in order to fund a UBI of some sort.
The elite have never tried to save the peasants, they will always save themselves. Humans are ultimately selfish animals, they only give away which they don't need.
The human population went up exponentially, I believe the rate has already dropped off and the decline is in the very near term.
The elite are not going to support unproductive workers bees in the longer term, not gonna happen.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman]
#23687623 - 09/28/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So theres nothing to be done?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: So theres nothing to be done?
I hardly see humans at the top sacrificing their potential survival or standard of living for billions of people that don't contribute to the hive.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman] 2
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Thats an extremely pessimistic outlook.
You can contribute to society without producing a tangible good, which is the job description that will be disappearing.
Ignoring that fact, is it so impossible to imagine a society where humans get to do what they want, and have machines take care of the tedious? We've been working towards this since we invented the wheel.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Thats an extremely pessimistic outlook.
You can contribute to society without producing a tangible good, which is the job description that will be disappearing.
Ignoring that fact, is it so impossible to imagine a society where humans get to do what they want, and have machines take care of the tedious? We've been working towards this since we invented the wheel.
I think the next financial/economic crisis is going to answer of lot of those questions. I also think we are fast approaching that crisis, something is going to give and panic is going to set in on many different levels.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23687770 - 09/28/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Typically, yes.
The smarter people tend to be progressives.
Then What the fuck do they need all that welfare for?
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The Ecstatic said: Typically, yes.
The smarter people tend to be progressives.
Then What the fuck do they need all that welfare for?
Smart =/= rich and dumb =/= poor.
But a lot of people across all spectrums vote Democrat, yes.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
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The Ecstatic said: http://www.businessinsider.com/larry-summers-a-third-of-men-aged-25-54-will-be-out-of-work-by-2050-2016-9
Larry Summers, former US Treasury Secretary, says one third of working age (according to the BLS) men in 2050 will be out of work.
So, either we continue to descend into abject poverty, or we change something. What do you think we should change to have our society provide for everyone, without using jobs as a determining factor? Should we change anything at all?
Meh, people have been saying we'd run out of work since the modern robot was invented around 1940. The biggest problem right now is income inequality. If some of the money at the top got down to the rest of us, demand for products would explode and jobs would continue to be there for a long time to come. 20 People Now Own As Much Wealth as Half of All Americans.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Thats a good point as well, fal.
But you have to admit we're moving towards a situation a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent. What then?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Thats a good point as well, fal.
But you have to admit we're moving towards a situation a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent. What then?
If the time ever comes (I doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes), then the Government needs to mandate a shorter work week for everyone and a higher minimum wage to compensate.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: demiu5]
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I have an idea. How about we create a huge Elite Government Class--'The Nomeklatura' as they were called in the former soviet union--and have everyone work on collectives to support them?
Oh, we already have a big Elite Government class with ordinary people giving up 20 to 50% of their income to support them (if you include state governments)
Looks like its working great.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: starfire_xes]
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starfire_xes said: I have an idea. How about we create a huge Elite Government Class--'The Nomeklatura' as they were called in the former soviet union--and have everyone work on collectives to support them?
I think you missed the premise of the discussion. That "a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent".
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23689293 - 09/29/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't say we are taxes at them rates, the progressives will denounce you
We all know the answer to it, just tax those who still have jobs more, take a bit for the Washington elite, and disperse the rest among the unemployed, THIS is the only answer progressives will accept, therefore it is the correct one
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23689646 - 09/29/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
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#23689981 - 09/29/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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eventually society will be forced to change, in the meantime things will just continue to get less comfortable for everyone without capital, so I suggest snatching whatever you can while you can just in case
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23690107 - 09/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
truth socialism of bust imo
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23690186 - 09/29/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
No, we cant.
We do it now, Just raise the rates a little higher, and boom, instant subsistence
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
The only one working to stop jobs from being outsourced is TRUMP, and we know who you're voting for, so why ya acting like you care?
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Because Trump cant unilaterally shoot down a trade deal, and there are a lot more Democrats on the Hill that are against it than Republicans.
Plus SCOTUS. Plus "Berniecrats" trying to keep her honest.
Trump changes his mind every week and his supporters dont notice or care. Nobody has any idea how he'll govern.
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The Ecstatic said: Because Trump cant unilaterally shoot down a trade deal, and there are a lot more Democrats on the Hill that are against it than Republicans.
Plus SCOTUS. Plus "Berniecrats" trying to keep her honest.
Trump changes his mind every week and his supporters dont notice or care. Nobody has any idea how he'll govern.
So you want more of the same corporatism that's we've had for the last 40 years than risk anything different...
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
"Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now...and move jobs overseas"
So why would anyone consider that "normal" employment compared to past years?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I think you missed the premise of the discussion. That "a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent".
You missed the nuance of my response. The only way that will happen is if we move to a collective society. Because someone is going to have to do certain jobs. So in fact there may not be much labor, but it won't be by choice.
And what labor there is will be set up to support the ruling class of Elites.
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
No, we cant.
We do it now, Just raise the rates a little higher, and boom, instant subsistence
Right now half of the workforce isnt out of work.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
Nailed it. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated until conservatives either refute these points or accept them. It's getting old.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
Nailed it. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated until conservatives either refute these points or accept them. It's getting old.
let's just keep repeating it until it's acknowledged
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So why would anyone consider that "normal" employment compared to past years?
Because if we were in past years, there'd be a really tight labor market instead of just a normal one.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Where'd you get that number? Even if we look at U6 unemployment, the unemployment rate is only 9.7%.
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Where'd you get that number? Even if we look at U6 unemployment, the unemployment rate is only 9.7%.
I think what he meant is half of the workforce Is not out of work, being an inefficient way of saying far less than 50% is out of work
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Where'd you get that number? Even if we look at U6 unemployment, the unemployment rate is only 9.7%.
labor force particicpation rate was 62.5% of whatever the definition of 'work force' is in 2015. You subtract the U6 from that number to give you what percentage of the labor force is employed FULL TIME.
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Where'd you get that number? Even if we look at U6 unemployment, the unemployment rate is only 9.7%.
I think what he meant is half of the workforce Is not out of work, being an inefficient way of saying far less than 50% is out of work
otherwise ya..
You're right - I misread the post, thanks.
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Where'd you get that number? Even if we look at U6 unemployment, the unemployment rate is only 9.7%.
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I said ISNT. HU thinks we can raise taxes to offset an unemploymeny that high and climbing, when that simply isnt feasible. Thered be no incentive to even get a job at that point.
Edit: 
Also: The mechanisms we have in place now are already arguably unsustainable, growing them five fold with half the tax revenue to fund them with is not a plan.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: starfire_xes]
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Why would you count people going to college, people who can retire early, and people who simply don't want to work???
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Even if it was the case that only 50% of the workforce had full time jobs (it isnt), our safety net programs would still prove inefficient.
Raising taxes on a dwindling workforce isnt going to save us.
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Raising taxes on a dwindling workforce isnt going to save us.
Agreed. Reducing the work week and increasing the minimum wage accordingly would work. If the workforce is going away, that means efficiency is going through the roof, which means you can do the same work for a lot less labor, which means you'll have a lot more money to pay your employees for the time they do work.
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Although I agree, that carries with it the underlying assumption that increases in productivity (and profits) should benefit workers equally as well as shareholders. Thats something about half the country seems to disagree with.
I'm confident public opinion will shift eventually, the majority will tire of this capitalism rollercoaster sooner or later, right?
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That's true, either the public has to agree, or suffer. And 1/2 the population always seems to be in the latter category so who knows?
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Our economic overlords are already placing blame on emerging nations for "stealing away" our standard of living.
I'm sure this rhetoric will ramp up as time goes on.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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When do you think politicians will start bringing all this up? They can't ignore it forever, but obviously it is expedient for them to remain silent as long as they possibly can. When will we shift from speeches filled with "more and more jobs" to "it's natural for jobs to be eliminated as technology improves"?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Raising taxes on a dwindling workforce isnt going to save us.
Then why do progressives think it's the answer now?
Raising taxes is all we hear from the left, like I've said before, if Bernie had won, I'd fucking retire, no way would I work for the piddly sums the govt "let's me" keep from my paycheck, I'd just retire and ride the freeloader gravy train like all the other freeloaders, luckily, I can keep working
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As I noted above, "Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs." Until we see a change in one of these two factors, it's unlikely to be brought up.
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DividedQuantum said: When do you think politicians will start bringing all this up? They can't ignore it forever, but obviously it is expedient for them to remain silent as long as they possibly can. When will we shift from speeches filled with "more and more jobs" to "it's natural for jobs to be eliminated as technology improves"?
Honestly, I cant even imagine politicians making statements like that. But I'd say the issue will be forced well before 2050.
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The Ecstatic said: Even if it was the case that only 50% of the workforce had full time jobs (it isnt), our safety net programs would still prove inefficient.
Raising taxes on a dwindling workforce isnt going to save us.
Then why do progressives think it's the answer now?
Raising taxes is all we hear from the left, like I've said before, if Bernie had won, I'd fucking retire, no way would I work for the piddly sums the govt "let's me" keep from my paycheck, I'd just retire and ride the freeloader gravy train like all the other freeloaders, luckily, I can keep working 
Because, like i've said multiple times, the unemploymenf rate is easy to offset with safety net programs. When a vast majority of the population doesnt have jobs that wont be the case.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Anahata]
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The politicians blame labor for labor's problems. "You need more skills and education" is the most popular slogan.
They never blame open borders flooding the markets with cheap labor or companies moving operations to other countries, funny how that works.
Some European politicians told their citizens to move to other parts of the world if they wanted employment. I know in Japan the idea of more education is no longer used as a polticial excuse for poor employment prospects.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman]
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That's coming here, too.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I won't sugarcoat it. The plan is to kill billions of people and/or trick the population into being gays and baby haters, precipitating a decline in birthrates while the old folks die off with no replacement in the wings. The latter is already underway.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Great Scott]
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Which is funny because the decline in birth rate is what most progressives cite as a reason to import millions of poor people
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Trick everyone into being gay.
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And you. A global agenda of tricking everyone into homosexuality for some mysterious reason is a perfectly believilable agenda.
Labor issues caused by a generational gap from low birth rates though......thats just nonsense.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I never mentioned homosexuality, what the hell are you babbling about?
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No, PeyoteZen did. And you replied to it, and apparebtly had no qualms with his theory.
But the crystal clear reality of labor concerns in modern nations due to low birth rates is ridiculous progressive speculation.
Honestly, do you even read what you type? Because this is at least the 20th time I've had to explain your own posts to you.
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Trick everyone into being gay.
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I'm predicting a whole bunch of this. As increasingly sophisticated forms of labor get automated I'd imagine struggle between those who own the means of production and those who work as servants will come to a head.
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I'm predicting a whole bunch of this. As increasingly sophisticated forms of labor get automated I'd imagine struggle between those who own the means of production and those who work as servants will come to a head.
That's commie talk.
So better to live life in the poor house than to discuss solutions that might smell of communism, right?
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I'm predicting a whole bunch of this. As increasingly sophisticated forms of labor get automated I'd imagine struggle between those who own the means of production and those who work as servants will come to a head.
That's commie talk.
So better to live life in the poor house than to discuss solutions that might smell of communism, right? 
Yes. Lest you end up like the young Bernie Sanders, who got kicked out of an actual commune for spending too much time discussing Marxist ideas and not enough time actually working the crops. And now he earns his living off the fruits of compulsory taxation.
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Bernie is the epitome of a socialist douche, getting rich off the backs of taxpayers, producing nothing, and pushing programs to bankrupt the economy (as if Obama hasn't done enough of that already)
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Do you know how poor the poorest guy at the country club is? Not very.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Great Scott] 1
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If there are 100 people in the position to make themselves rich, would you accuse the 100th richest person in that group of doing so? Especially considering he consistently advocates raises taxes on himself and restricting the money he's allowed to raise for campaigning?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I never accused him of being greedy, just foolish.
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No, HU did. But I never see him criticizing the 99 Senators richer than he.
He thinks criticizing Bernie will get a rise out of his supporters on here, but he cant manage to land a valid blow. 
Most honest politician in a generation, you really gotta grasp at straws. People on here dont even waste their time on Trump anymore, hes too easy.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
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I work with long term unemployed people a lot. Most of these people are able and willing to take part in a part time contribution.
Because of mental and cultural problems they don't contribute much and do need a lot of services.
One of the things that keeps them out of voluntary posts is that thier disbality allowance is based on a phisical problem. Mental and cultural issues are not recognised well in the assessments. They worry if they are seen being active that they will be deemed able to hold down a job and loose their benefits and services.
I'm up for giving the basic living cost payment to everyone and remove the needs assessment fiasco. I'd like to see people who can't commit to a full time position be supported to make manageable contibutions.
It's a culture shift that's needed, a sense that everyone is responsible for thier community. Picking up the litter on your pavement, checking on the lady upstairs when it's icy, having people take turns to live with the disabled.
It would be nice to see everyone with the minimum to put some food in thier belly and people in general working less hours. Not that people are falling over themselves to get into my profession, we take workers from over seas to make up the numbers we need to provide the service, but let's say I was paid a living wage as standard, I could give some shifts to a part time worker who was previously unemployed.
We have enough resources to live and enough people to provide the services that support us. It needs better organised and a cultural shift that will take a few generations to bed in.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: No, HU did. But I never see him criticizing the 99 Senators richer than he.
He thinks criticizing Bernie will get a rise out of his supporters on here, but he cant manage to land a valid blow. 
Most honest politician in a generation, you really gotta grasp at straws. People on here dont even waste their time on Trump anymore, hes too easy.
You never accuse the other 99 memebers of being "pure as the driven snow"... if you did, I would call you out on that BS too
Now Bernie is supposed to be "exempt" because he's not as good as getting rich off taxpayers as the other members are?
Like stated before, Bernice is rich, the poorest guy at the country club is still effing rich, sorry your hero is a just another douchebag just like the rest of congress.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Most honest politician in a generation
That's the one thing I appreciate about Bernie. He seems to earnestly believe in his message. He is authentic and it's refreshing to see a politician like that. Unfortunately, myself and lots of others don't believe in his message, regardless of how much he honestly believes in it himself.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Great Scott]
#23699403 - 10/02/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The one thing I appreciate most about Bernice...
Is that he's now completely polically irrelevant
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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Check out how slick he is, though. Totally culturally appropriated this hand shake on the fly like that. So down with the brothers. Shit's tight.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
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The Ecstatic said: No, HU did. But I never see him criticizing the 99 Senators richer than he.
He thinks criticizing Bernie will get a rise out of his supporters on here, but he cant manage to land a valid blow. 
Most honest politician in a generation, you really gotta grasp at straws. People on here dont even waste their time on Trump anymore, hes too easy.
You never accuse the other 99 memebers of being "pure as the driven snow"... if you did, I would call you out on that BS too
Now Bernie is supposed to be "exempt" because he's not as good as getting rich off taxpayers as the other members are?
Like stated before, Bernice is rich, the poorest guy at the country club is still effing rich, sorry your hero is a just another douchebag just like the rest of congress.
1. Yeah because they arent pure. So why would I call them that?
2. I didnt say he was exempt. But its disingenuous to single him out for "getting rich off the backs of taxpayers" when he might be the only US senator actually helping the taxpayer.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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hostileuniverse said: The one thing I appreciate most about Bernice...
Is that he's now completely polically irrelevant 
Weird, because it seems to me he moved presidential politics farther to the left than anyone since maybe Kennedy, or even FDR.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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What I find baffling is the extent that Bernie Bros will follow this delusion even after Bernie had the primary rigged against him by Hillary. Some of them will actually vote for Hillary now based on this insane belief that Bernie's campaign is going to somehow shape her policies as POTUS. They refuse to admit that they're being lied to and hoodwinked. And they refuse to acknowledge that Hillary has only adapted Bernie's platform insofar as her campaign platitudes go. But really, none of this will manifest itself in the real world if Hillary gets in.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Great Scott] 2
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Actually, a shitload of Bernie supporters see it like that. But we also see that you dont change things from the outside because things are rigged against third parties, so you have to change from within. Bernie is being smart. He's using his newfound influence to adopt a nationally recognized agenda, but he's also funding and supporting congressional and senatorial races.
He'll have his coalition of Berniecrats to raise hell when Hillary wants to backtrack on something.
Trust, none of us went through all this, Bernie included, to just throw up our hands and let Hillary take the wheel. This is simply the best move remaining.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23699493 - 10/02/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you voting for Hillary?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23699505 - 10/02/16 08:51 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Depends how close it is in FL the first week of November. We're a prettt important swing state. But if shes up by more than the margin of error, I wont vote at all.
I intended on voting Stein, but theres just no way that will accomplish anything. If a third party cant rise in this race, then it never will. So i'll likely abstain.
But trust me, Bernie nor his supporters forgot why his campaign existed in the first place. The plan is now to push the Dems to the left, and that starts by making sure we have one to push.
Because a conservative Supreme Court would basically block any and all of Bernie's agenda for the next 20 years. We cant afford to let Trump get elected because we're irritated.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23699579 - 10/02/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you're basically voting for Hillary unless you think there will be enough Floridians to do your dirty work for you?
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#23699589 - 10/02/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Basically. She hasnt earned my vote, but I much prefer she win my state than Trump. If I can accomplish that without having to vote for her, win win.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23699599 - 10/02/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Greeeeeeasy
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Great Scott]
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: Basically. She hasnt earned my vote, but I much prefer she win my state than Trump. If I can accomplish that without having to vote for her, win win.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Congress will probably immediately move to impeach when/if she gets in.
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you're the one stuck voting within the same dichotomy that's been failing you for...your natural borne life.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23700170 - 10/02/16 01:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is to all of you guys: please do go vote. I find it difficult to believe that a person can sink many hours pointlessly discussing politics online but then can't be bothered to mosey on down to the poll.
Vote for yourself, vote for mickey mouse, vote STAL, vote for Sanders, vote for Johnson (another honest, if geopolitically challenged candidate) or Stein, or if the race is close go ahead and vote against either Trump or Hillary with a clean conscious.
If you have serious concerns about the validity of the poll and wish to stay home in protest, fine. But know that your vote makes a bigger and bigger impact the further downballot you go, and that the politicians will take your abstain as laziness and apathy as opposed to protest.
It is A-OK to prefer Sanders to Stein to Johnson to Hillary to Trump, but vote Hillary b/c the Trump/Hillary race is close. Its not your fault we are stuck with this retarded "first-past-the-post" electoral college.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: No, HU did. But I never see him criticizing the 99 Senators richer than he.
He thinks criticizing Bernie will get a rise out of his supporters on here, but he cant manage to land a valid blow. 
Most honest politician in a generation, you really gotta grasp at straws. People on here dont even waste their time on Trump anymore, hes too easy.
You never accuse the other 99 memebers of being "pure as the driven snow"... if you did, I would call you out on that BS too
Now Bernie is supposed to be "exempt" because he's not as good as getting rich off taxpayers as the other members are?
Like stated before, Bernice is rich, the poorest guy at the country club is still effing rich, sorry your hero is a just another douchebag just like the rest of congress.
1. Yeah because they arent pure. So why would I call them that?
2. I didnt say he was exempt. But its disingenuous to single him out for "getting rich off the backs of taxpayers" when he might be the only US senator actually helping the taxpayer.
Raising my taxes isn't "helping me"
He's a corrupt fraud just like the rest of them, it's okay, you can admit it
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23700653 - 10/02/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fine, stop paying taxes. Also please stop making use of the roads, telecommunications, emergency services, utilities, national defense, education system, garbage pickup, etc. that the rest of us have gotten together and agreed to pay for.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
#23702487 - 10/03/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Strawman argument, I never said I didn't want to pay taxes at all, that's progressive garbage to assume that just becaise someone don't want to pay a 50-70% rate that they don't want to pay anything at all
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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obviosuly the plan should be to control population. People breed like rats with no regard for the planet or its limited resources.
1/3 of mankind will die in atomic war and shit. If not earth will find a way to balance itself. Have no fear, enough people will die it will be OK
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
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hostileuniverse said:Strawman argument, I never said I didn't want to pay taxes at all, that's progressive garbage to assume that just becaise someone don't want to pay a 50-70% rate that they don't want to pay anything at all
It conservative hogwash to assume that anybody is paying anything near that.
 Don't forget how marginal taxes work now: Everybody pays 10% on the first $9275, and so on Investment income is at a lower rate, the majority of all other taxes place a regressive burden by income.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
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It conservative hogwash to assume that anybody is paying anything near that.
 Don't forget how marginal taxes work now: Everybody pays 10% on the first $9275, and so on Investment income is at a lower rate, the majority of all other taxes place a regressive burden by income.
Is federal income tax the only tax we pay? No, it is not. Some states have a state income tax as high as 13%. Now add in gas tax, sales taxes, "luxury" taxes, real estate taxes, cell phone taxes, investment taxes, internet taxes, and the list goes on and on and on, Obamacare alone has 13 new taxes or tax increases,
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#7ac66d5e50f6
So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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become a plumber because everyone shits.
become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..
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become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..
plumbers aren't needed to dig a 4-6' foot pit to shit in
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: demiu5]
#23706729 - 10/04/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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orison319 said: become a plumber because everyone shits.
become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..
plumbers aren't needed to dig a 4-6' foot pit to shit in
Living "off the grid" is actually illegal in some places,
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS
What? I read through the link, but how does that show anyone is paying an overall number remotely close to 50%
-CBO
 Those Obamacare taxes fit into that dark blue other, how the hell are these the factor that take anybody over a 50% rate?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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orison319 said: become a plumber because everyone shits.
become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..
plumbers aren't needed to dig a 4-6' foot pit to shit in
Living "off the grid" is actually illegal in some places,
indeed. not necessarily illegal, though, but more like in violation of health/building codes...which would be a civil matter
also, when the economy plummets, do you really think legalities will matter?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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There is no plan other than to go into fields that robots haven't yet taken over. I myself went into just such a field. If it's difficult to automate with a robot, then it's a good career for now.
Of course, robots are always getting better so don't think it'll last forever, but there are some fields that are much more insulated than others from automation.
Aside from that, I think society will roughly continue to function even with 30% unemployment. Lots of countries saw 30-50% unemployment during the recession, and the most they saw were protests, which is not exactly the collapse of social order or end of humanity or anything.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
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hostileuniverse said: http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#7ac66d5e50f6
So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS
What? I read through the link, but how does that show anyone is paying an overall number remotely close to 50%
-CBO
 Those Obamacare taxes fit into that dark blue other, how the hell are these the factor that take anybody over a 50% rate?
clearly I was using Ocare as an example of the overtaxation we face, we pay literally thousands of different taxes, (well I do, you prolly don't) but overall, Americans are taxed far beyond what we should be and the US is STILL 20 trillion in debt, that's bad management anyway you cut it
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: nooneman]
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self-diagnostics-and-repair, that's a subject in robotics, isn't it? it should be. i dunno. random thought.
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So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS
Thats quite a claim, do you have any support or do you just want to bitch about Obamacare and change the subject?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
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So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS
Thats quite a claim, do you have any support or do you just want to bitch about Obamacare and change the subject?
No, I have zero proof that we pay too much in taxes, 
You should go weigh in on stars new thread, I think you could debunk all that nonsense
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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Whether we pay "too much" in taxes or not is an opinion, You offered 50% as what you felt was "too high" and I am seeking evidence that many individuals pay some 50% of their total income in taxes, or anywhere close. (TBH, if you are stupid w money its probably possible "buying up a whole bunch of real estate, doing poorly, and owing all those property taxes, or others who are deliquent in paying the IRS, but these aren't typical cases)
"too high" is opinion, but you can see we have a comparatively low tax burden compared to OECD countries
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist] 2
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The obvious and inevitable plan is what Marx prescribed way back in the 1800's
When are you fucking liberals gonna get on board and finally realize capitalism is dead and stop voting in cronies like the Clinton's
Bring on full automization and the AI revolution.
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The Ecstatic said: Thats a good point as well, fal.
But you have to admit we're moving towards a situation a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent. What then?
If the time ever comes (I doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes), then the Government needs to mandate a shorter work week for everyone and a higher minimum wage to compensate.
UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! Say it with me liberals
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: elax420]
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We'll have to see. Unemployment is currently at a pretty healthy point at the moment. We have had large, rapid improvements in our ability to produce in the past. Each time the public had the choice of working less and consuming the same, or working more and deciding to consume exponentially growing amounts. Every time the public chooses to consume more (at the behests of the admen).
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
#23708617 - 10/05/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nothing even close to automation.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: elax420]
#23709042 - 10/05/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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49% of Americans make less than $15 an hour. 10% of Americans are felons.
I wonder how many people buffer their income with crime? I'm guessing that's what a majority of the people not working do.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Shit, a lot of the people who ARE working have illicit second jobs
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I'm not surprised. Where the needs and wants of people are not fulfilled legally they sure get filled illegally. Surely the Government trying to ignore human desire doesn't get anything done.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Morel Guy]
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jobless economy = oxymoron
if you allow machines to take over, mankind will die.
insanity or sloth will be their end.
life is work
the only "jobless economy" on this planet would be every organism living in harmony with their environment.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: nothing exists]
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Maybe flooding the country with cheap labor wasn't such a good idea
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
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hostileuniverse said: Maybe flooding the country with cheap labor wasn't such a good idea
It's exactly the thing that made America great. Cheap working immigrants. Problem is it never really got out of that and the people born here expect a little greater life. Can't keep flooding with people fresh off the banana boat either.
I am watching a show on Chinese workers in Russia. Russia is seriously hurting from the sanctions by the west. Chinese money is looking pretty good to them and so are their workers. I think the west is fucking themselves as they love to do to make a point. Russia and China could become very strong. Even the analysis from military publications I read think the states couldn't take the combo. China must be getting something from lending us money all the time. Can't figure out why they would loan money to their enemy to build a military that is trying to defeat them.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Morel Guy]
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hostileuniverse said: Maybe flooding the country with cheap labor wasn't such a good idea
It's exactly the thing that made America great. Cheap working immigrants. Problem is it never really got out of that and the people born here expect a little greater life. Can't keep flooding with people fresh off the banana boat either.
I am watching a show on Chinese workers in Russia. Russia is seriously hurting from the sanctions by the west. Chinese money is looking pretty good to them and so are their workers. I think the west is fucking themselves as they love to do to make a point. Russia and China could become very strong. Even the analysis from military publications I read think the states couldn't take the combo. China must be getting something from lending us money all the time. Can't figure out why they would loan money to their enemy to build a military that is trying to defeat them.
China is basically forced to buy US/EU bonds to maintain the currency manipulation scheme. China wants a weak currency relative to the US dollar (Euro and Yen), that enables China to be a manufacturing exporting giant in the global economy.
The have hundreds of millions of people that need employment, they have no other choice at this point.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman]
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Good for China. Fucking over everyone else to help their own people. Just as nature intended.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23710156 - 10/05/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Good for China. Fucking over everyone else to help their own people. Just as nature intended.
Well, they keep the wages down and try to maintain the high profit margins, Chinese, US and global elites are on the same page.
The problem, Chinese consumption is still weak and the developed world is going broke, it can't last.
Chinese workers would love to have more purchasing power but their government won't let it happen, but then again they could lose their jobs to Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, ect.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: elax420] 1
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The Ecstatic said: Thats a good point as well, fal.
But you have to admit we're moving towards a situation a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent. What then?
If the time ever comes (I doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes), then the Government needs to mandate a shorter work week for everyone and a higher minimum wage to compensate.
I'm with ya UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! Say it with me liberals
The growth of technology is exponential and unstoppable. Mass technological unemployment is gonna happen during our lives (assuming u are under 40) whether you like it or not.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23710983 - 10/05/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Good for China. Fucking over everyone else to help their own people. Just as nature intended.
Democrats do it everyday
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman]
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The Ecstatic said: Good for China. Fucking over everyone else to help their own people. Just as nature intended.
Well, they keep the wages down and try to maintain the high profit margins, Chinese, US and global elites are on the same page.
The problem, Chinese consumption is still weak and the developed world is going broke, it can't last.
Decent analysis
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hahaha the world is so fucked right now.
At least we're talking about it.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: beforethedawn]
#23718587 - 10/08/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is it possible that mankind will simply consume more (and increasingly sophisticated) products that will always require human labor? Well at least until we reach the singularity and AI rockets past every facet of human intelligence
Even today we are seeing a bit of a shift to a medieval type economy, with increasing numbers of people buying and producing "artisan" or organic beer/cheese/furniture/vegetables/bread
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
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Everyone on Star Trek had a job, and that is constantly touted as an example of our utopian future
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
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hostileuniverse said: Everyone on Star Trek had a job, and that is constantly touted as an example of our utopian future
Everyone on Star Trek had a job doing what they wanted. They had jobs to pass the time, not to make money to survive/buy trinkets
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Star Trek also exists in an egalitarian (cough communist cough) society.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23719318 - 10/08/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Everyone on Star Trek had a job, and that is constantly touted as an example of our utopian future
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The Ecstatic said: Star Trek also exists in an egalitarian (cough communist cough) society.
THats what I said
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Egalitarian =/= 100% employment
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I never see unemployed people on there
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
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I dont see any unemployed people in Django Unchained, either.
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The Ecstatic said: Star Trek also exists in an egalitarian (cough communist cough) society.
True. It probably helps that Star Trek tech allows them to live in a post-scarcity world. From my understanding of the story-line, it wasn't an easy transition, and required a semi-apocalyptic world war for the survivors to learn their lesson and then develop warp drive etc.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: I dont see any unemployed people in Django Unchained, either.
True, although I've never cited that movie as a model for our "utopian future" either, so what's your point?
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My point is they are both irrelevant to real life.
But thats your niche.
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The Ecstatic said: Star Trek also exists in an egalitarian (cough communist cough) society.
True. It probably helps that Star Trek tech allows them to live in a post-scarcity world. From my understanding of the story-line, it wasn't an easy transition, and required a semi-apocalyptic world war for the survivors to learn their lesson and then develop warp drive etc.
The whole point of this thread is we are reaching the point where we have arrived to a post scarcity world.
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There's enough food produced in the world to feed everybody, we have the means to be fed, clothed. Of course we don't have replicacators yet so.
It's going to take real problem solving and people working together to find the answers to difficult questions. Only when we stop bickering about bullshit we'll be able to find those answers, until then expect no change.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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But thats your niche.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23721417 - 10/09/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I sure as shit don't want Star Trek as our future. Star Wars and inter galactic smuggling!
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