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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
    #23702487 - 10/03/16 05:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Crumist said:
Fine, stop paying taxes. Also please stop making use of the roads, telecommunications,
emergency services, utilities, national defense, education system, garbage pickup, etc. that
the rest of us have gotten together and agreed to pay for.




Strawman argument, I never said I didn't want to pay taxes at all, that's progressive garbage to assume that just becaise someone don't want to pay a 50-70% rate that they don't want to pay anything at all


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23702501 - 10/03/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

obviosuly the plan should be to control population.  People breed like rats with no regard for the planet or its limited resources.


1/3 of mankind will die in atomic war and shit.  If not earth will find a way to balance itself.  Have no fear, enough people will die it will be OK


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23706609 - 10/04/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:Strawman argument, I never said I didn't want to pay taxes at all, that's progressive garbage to assume that just becaise someone don't want to pay a 50-70% rate that they don't want to pay anything at all



It conservative hogwash to assume that anybody is paying anything near that.

Don't forget how marginal taxes work now:
Everybody pays 10% on the first $9275, and so on
Investment income is at a lower rate, the majority of all other taxes place a regressive burden by income.


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
    #23706637 - 10/04/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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hostileuniverse said:Strawman argument, I never said I didn't want to pay taxes at all, that's progressive garbage to assume that just becaise someone don't want to pay a 50-70% rate that they don't want to pay anything at all



It conservative hogwash to assume that anybody is paying anything near that.

Don't forget how marginal taxes work now:
Everybody pays 10% on the first $9275, and so on
Investment income is at a lower rate, the majority of all other taxes place a regressive burden by income.




Is federal income tax the only tax we pay? No, it is not. Some states have a state income tax as high as 13%. Now add in gas tax, sales taxes, "luxury" taxes, real estate taxes, cell phone taxes, investment taxes, internet taxes, and the list goes on and on and on, Obamacare alone has 13 new taxes or tax increases,

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#7ac66d5e50f6

So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23706644 - 10/04/16 12:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

become a plumber because everyone shits.

become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: orison]
    #23706673 - 10/04/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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orison319 said:
become a plumber because everyone shits.

become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..





plumbers aren't needed to dig a 4-6' foot pit to shit in


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: demiu5]
    #23706729 - 10/04/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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demiu5 said:
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orison319 said:
become a plumber because everyone shits.

become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..





plumbers aren't needed to dig a 4-6' foot pit to shit in




Living "off the grid" is actually illegal in some places,


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23706787 - 10/04/16 12:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#7ac66d5e50f6

So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS



What? I read through the link, but how does that show anyone is paying an overall number remotely close to 50%
-CBO

Those Obamacare taxes fit into that dark blue other, how the hell are these the factor that take anybody over a 50% rate?


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23707071 - 10/04/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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demiu5 said:
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orison319 said:
become a plumber because everyone shits.

become a roofer because every shithouse needs a roof and everyone shits..





plumbers aren't needed to dig a 4-6' foot pit to shit in




Living "off the grid" is actually illegal in some places,






indeed.  not necessarily illegal, though, but more like in violation of health/building codes...which would be a civil matter


also, when the economy plummets, do you really think legalities will matter?


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23707116 - 10/04/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There is no plan other than to go into fields that robots haven't yet taken over. I myself went into just such a field. If it's difficult to automate with a robot, then it's a good career for now.

Of course, robots are always getting better so don't think it'll last forever, but there are some fields that are much more insulated than others from automation.

Aside from that, I think society will roughly continue to function even with 30% unemployment. Lots of countries saw 30-50% unemployment during the recession, and the most they saw were protests, which is not exactly the collapse of social order or end of humanity or anything.


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
    #23707215 - 10/04/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Crumist said:
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hostileuniverse said:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/17/how-many-obamacare-taxes-are-there/#7ac66d5e50f6

So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS



What? I read through the link, but how does that show anyone is paying an overall number remotely close to 50%
-CBO

Those Obamacare taxes fit into that dark blue other, how the hell are these the factor that take anybody over a 50% rate?




clearly I was using Ocare as an example of the overtaxation we face, we pay literally thousands of different taxes, (well I do, you prolly don't) but overall, Americans are taxed far beyond what we should be and the US is STILL 20 trillion in debt, that's bad management anyway you cut it


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: nooneman]
    #23707219 - 10/04/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

self-diagnostics-and-repair, that's a subject in robotics, isn't it? it should be. i dunno. random thought.


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23707670 - 10/04/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS




Thats quite a claim, do you have any support or do you just want to bitch about Obamacare and change the subject?


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
    #23707674 - 10/04/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Crumist said:
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So when progressives say, "you don't pay anywhere near 50%" I can honestly say BS




Thats quite a claim, do you have any support or do you just want to bitch about Obamacare and change the subject?




No, I have zero proof that we pay too much in taxes, :facepalm:

You should go weigh in on stars new thread, I think you could debunk all that nonsense :popcorn:


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] * 2
    #23707706 - 10/04/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Whether we pay "too much" in taxes or not is an opinion, You offered 50% as what you felt was "too high"
and I am seeking evidence that many individuals pay some 50% of their total income in taxes, or anywhere close.
(TBH, if you are stupid w money its probably possible "buying up a whole bunch of real estate, doing poorly, and owing
all those property taxes, or others who are deliquent in paying the IRS, but these aren't typical cases)

"too high" is opinion, but you can see we have a comparatively low tax burden compared to OECD countries
-Austrialian gov


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist] * 2
    #23708223 - 10/04/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The obvious and inevitable plan is what Marx prescribed way back in the 1800's


When are you fucking liberals gonna get on board and finally realize capitalism is dead and stop voting in cronies like the Clinton's


Bring on full automization and the AI revolution.


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23708243 - 10/04/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Thats a good point as well, fal.


But you have to admit we're moving towards a situation a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent. What then?



If the time ever comes (I doubt we'll see it in our lifetimes), then the Government needs to mandate a shorter work week for everyone and a higher minimum wage to compensate.





UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME!
Say it with me liberals

The growth of technology is exponential and unstoppable. Mass technological unemployment is gonna happen during our lives (assuming u are under 40) whether you like it or not.


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: elax420]
    #23708363 - 10/04/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

We'll have to see. Unemployment is currently at a pretty healthy point at the moment. We have had
large, rapid improvements in our ability to produce in the past. Each time the public had the choice of
working less and consuming the same, or working more and deciding to consume exponentially growing
amounts. Every time the public chooses to consume more (at the behests of the admen).


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Crumist]
    #23708617 - 10/05/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Nothing even close to automation.


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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: elax420]
    #23709042 - 10/05/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

49% of Americans make less than $15 an hour.
10% of Americans are felons.

I wonder how many people buffer their income with crime?  I'm guessing that's what a majority of the people not working do.


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