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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23688819 - 09/28/16 10:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: demiu5]
#23688838 - 09/28/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have an idea. How about we create a huge Elite Government Class--'The Nomeklatura' as they were called in the former soviet union--and have everyone work on collectives to support them?
Oh, we already have a big Elite Government class with ordinary people giving up 20 to 50% of their income to support them (if you include state governments)
Looks like its working great.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23688961 - 09/28/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: I have an idea. How about we create a huge Elite Government Class--'The Nomeklatura' as they were called in the former soviet union--and have everyone work on collectives to support them?
I think you missed the premise of the discussion. That "a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent".
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: starfire_xes]
#23689293 - 09/29/16 05:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't say we are taxes at them rates, the progressives will denounce you
We all know the answer to it, just tax those who still have jobs more, take a bit for the Washington elite, and disperse the rest among the unemployed, THIS is the only answer progressives will accept, therefore it is the correct one
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23689646 - 09/29/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23689981 - 09/29/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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eventually society will be forced to change, in the meantime things will just continue to get less comfortable for everyone without capital, so I suggest snatching whatever you can while you can just in case
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23690107 - 09/29/16 10:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23690126 - 09/29/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
truth socialism of bust imo
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23690186 - 09/29/16 11:15 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23690217 - 09/29/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23690241 - 09/29/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
No, we cant.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: qman] 3
#23690258 - 09/29/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23690262 - 09/29/16 11:36 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
No, we cant.
We do it now, Just raise the rates a little higher, and boom, instant subsistence
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23690264 - 09/29/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
The only one working to stop jobs from being outsourced is TRUMP, and we know who you're voting for, so why ya acting like you care?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 4
#23690274 - 09/29/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because Trump cant unilaterally shoot down a trade deal, and there are a lot more Democrats on the Hill that are against it than Republicans.
Plus SCOTUS. Plus "Berniecrats" trying to keep her honest.
Trump changes his mind every week and his supporters dont notice or care. Nobody has any idea how he'll govern.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23690278 - 09/29/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Because Trump cant unilaterally shoot down a trade deal, and there are a lot more Democrats on the Hill that are against it than Republicans.
Plus SCOTUS. Plus "Berniecrats" trying to keep her honest.
Trump changes his mind every week and his supporters dont notice or care. Nobody has any idea how he'll govern.
So you want more of the same corporatism that's we've had for the last 40 years than risk anything different...
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23690279 - 09/29/16 11:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's no shortage of work. Unemployment is back to normal and corporate profits are at all time record highs.
The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
"Workers' share of profits has been declining for a while now...and move jobs overseas"
So why would anyone consider that "normal" employment compared to past years?
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#23690320 - 09/29/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: I have an idea. How about we create a huge Elite Government Class--'The Nomeklatura' as they were called in the former soviet union--and have everyone work on collectives to support them?
I think you missed the premise of the discussion. That "a labor based economy will be largely nonexistent".
You missed the nuance of my response. The only way that will happen is if we move to a collective society. Because someone is going to have to do certain jobs. So in fact there may not be much labor, but it won't be by choice.
And what labor there is will be set up to support the ruling class of Elites.
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Re: The Jobless Economy Is Fast Approaching. Whats The Plan? [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23690326 - 09/29/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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hostileuniverse said:
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The Ecstatic said: What part of jobless economy do you two not understand?
Honestly.
THere will always be SOME jobs, surely we can just tax them enough to support the rest of the "jobless"
No, we cant.
We do it now, Just raise the rates a little higher, and boom, instant subsistence
Right now half of the workforce isnt out of work.
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#23690625 - 09/29/16 01:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The problem is that corporations aren't sharing their profits with the people that earned it for them.
Did corporations all of a sudden get greedy? NO. Corporations ALWAYS wanted one thing- PROFITS.
They didnt get greedier. They got Nixon and Reagan to bust unions, deregulate, cut taxes, and move jobs overseas. Then they made it the neoliberal norm, and got both parties to do it in no time.
Nailed it. I don't know how many times this has to be repeated until conservatives either refute these points or accept them. It's getting old.
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