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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Herbologist]
#23686859 - 09/28/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I concur. They believe that they are doomed and incapable of helping themselves out of a mess without a hand out.. It's sad, really.
they, of course, meaning all black people in general, and not just those looking for reparations, ... though clearly that's not what koods said, or is what he's talking about.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: TNK]
#23686884 - 09/28/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Then why not solve the issue by state sponsored moving programs, target certain groups of people and offer them opportunities to move elsewhere?
It's not geographical. It's cultural. Ghetto is a culture as much as it is a location. A poor white kid in the Ghetto because his mom got divorced recently has a huge advantage over someone born with the ghetto mentality.
Cultures don't change overnight. It takes societal participation to make it happen. Sure, an individual can bust his/her ass to overcome his/her culture, and this happens every day. That doesn't solve the societal problems associated with the African American culture. If we're going to solve those problems, we need to make success achievable by more African americans. If 10% were able to get out of the ghetto each generation, the problem would fix itself in a couple of decades. Unfortunately, under today's system, 10% is a distant dream.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: akira_akuma]
#23686896 - 09/28/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: regardless of all that, Enlil has a point, in principal.
I agree, but only the black community can raise itself up. They're not being oppressed, they're oppressing themselves.
And again, they do have a culture here, with many great role models going back generations.
This outlines pretty well why I don't believe in reparations, they need to stop begging for handouts and special privileges. Those are the crutches which keep them from walking on their own.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
#23686914 - 09/28/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, that sounds like state sponsored cultural reform. If I recall correctly we've tried that before and it upset a lot of people.
I'm not disagreeing with the sentiment that African Americans statistically are at a disadvantage but I was under the impression unemployment and crime rates in poverty stricken ghettos were some of the major factors in it.
My idea of moving people out of the ghetto can help attribute to cultural reform, that being said I'm reffering to the ghetto mentality, not black culture. But if people, black people hold tightly to the ghetto mentality and gangster thug culture than what can be done to help?
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23686925 - 09/28/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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We are just barely one generation out from legally sanctioned disenfranchisement of black citizens. It was only in the 60s that black students were allow to attend public universities in much of the south. They were often prevented from buying property in "the nice" part of town. These disadvantages that are passed down to the next generations, even if those generations do not suffer them directly.
This is a group of people who have been deprived of their opportunity to achieve the American dream for almost the entire history of this country. Only in the past 40 years has that imbalance been rectified. However, fixing the underlying injustice of the system does not address the damage that injustice has caused.
There is clearly a unique problem in the black community. I think it's pretty obvious that this unique problem is rooted in the unique history of the black people in this country. Unique problems tend to require unique solutions.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23686928 - 09/28/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not about begging or any of that. It's about solving a problem. You seem to be arguing that it's their problem and not society's, but that's silly. Society spends a ton of money on law enforcement and prisons because of the ghetto culture. If we spent a third of that amount on leveling the playing field in a way that was designed to overcome the current cultural disadvantages, society would be far better off.
You think I'm talking about doing them a favor. I'm talking about improving a society that we all live in.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: TNK]
#23686937 - 09/28/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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With that all being said I'm not sure what type of reparations are being proposed? I'm in favor of providing free or greatly reduced college tuition but that should be available to all who qualify not just people of African descent or else it'll just perpetuate the racial and cultural decide.
Another thought: in Washington state and Oregon if you can afford to attent college you are disqualified from food stamps, forcing people to choose between food and education.
There are a lot of things that need to be fixed to aide in effort.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
#23686962 - 09/28/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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That makes it sound as if that they can't help that they have ghetto mentality, because of culture. I don't buy that. I do agree that some are born into a disadvantage but they don't have to accept that disadvantage or let it define them. People can change, they do have a choice.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23686970 - 09/28/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: regardless of all that, Enlil has a point, in principal.
I agree, but only the black community can raise itself up. They're not being oppressed, they're oppressing themselves.
And again, they do have a culture here, with many great role models going back generations.
This outlines pretty well why I don't believe in reparations, they need to stop begging for handouts and special privileges. Those are the crutches which keep them from walking on their own.
I think you just don't understand what being born into total dysfunction does to a person. In some ways, you are damaged beyond repair by the time you are 10 years old. Psychological trauma is devastating in children. Living in housing projects where the walls are peeling with lead paint produces people who are literally incapable of living in society. The brain damage destroys their impulse control. It makes them biologically inclined to become criminals. It is a place that destroys your potential before you are old enough to make choices for yourself.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23686976 - 09/28/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: This outlines pretty well why I don't believe in reparations, they need to stop begging for handouts and special privileges. Those are the crutches which keep them from walking on their own.
we're talking about reparations for descendants of slaves, not "black people".
Enlil still has a point. there's no reason to presume that they have no point in realizing, even if it's due to the actions of 150 years ago, that they don't have the same birthright as everyone else, because they were forced into the culture, and forced to adopt it; and to ask for reparations. you can allow for reparations but you seemingly don't want to admit that it's deserved.
it seems a very liberal and well-meaning thing to do this (reparations) considering the history of conquest, a history seemingly squelched for the time being, though, is always on the cusp again.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
#23686984 - 09/28/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: However, fixing the underlying injustice of the system does not address the damage that injustice has caused.
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Enlil said: It's not about begging or any of that. It's about solving a problem.
That's the point though, I don't think the government can help them, it already does
The future of the black community is in its hands
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23686987 - 09/28/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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that's an opinion.
things take time. governments do not just work magic. it requires people to give and take. like everything else in life.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
#23686995 - 09/28/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: regardless of all that, Enlil has a point, in principal.
I agree, but only the black community can raise itself up. They're not being oppressed, they're oppressing themselves.
And again, they do have a culture here, with many great role models going back generations.
This outlines pretty well why I don't believe in reparations, they need to stop begging for handouts and special privileges. Those are the crutches which keep them from walking on their own.
I think you just don't understand what being born into total dysfunction does to a person. In some ways, you are damaged beyond repair by the time you are 10 years old. Psychological trauma is devastating in children. Living in housing projects where the walls are peeling with lead paint produces people who are literally incapable of living in society. The brain damage destroys their impulse control. It makes them biologically inclined to become criminals. It is a place that destroys your potential before you are old enough to make choices for yourself.
I think you're forgetting I grew up in the same kind of ghetto Trailers in the swamps, violence and famine
My potential has not been destroyed, because I'm not a bitch.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23687007 - 09/28/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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You're not a bitch because you aren't the product of hundreds of years of people telling your people that you are and then enforcing it with the full power of the government.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23687008 - 09/28/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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not a bitch and also statistically more likely to land a job.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
#23687009 - 09/28/16 02:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think a migrant worker type program for innercity residents would help. Take them out of the city environment. Give them jobs working on farms. Essentially get them to do the jobs that illegals do now. Let them save up the money. Give them a work ethic.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
#23687017 - 09/28/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your mom has a twerk ethic.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: akira_akuma]
#23687022 - 09/28/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: that's an opinion.
things take time. governments do not just work magic. it requires people to give and take. like everything else in life.
It requires people to do their part No one can do it for them. No one wants to.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
#23687026 - 09/28/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I think a migrant worker type program for innercity residents would help. Take them out of the city environment. Give them jobs working on farms. Essentially get them to do the jobs that illegals do now. Let them save up the money. Give them a work ethic.
I'd be all for that sort of project, bringing jobs into communities and etc.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
#23687045 - 09/28/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 5 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You're not a bitch because you aren't the product of hundreds of years of people telling your people that you are and then enforcing it with the full power of the government.
I think there's some truth in that, at least on a personal basis There are immigrants who were systematically oppressed for generations Mine was more of a series of falls from grace
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