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fractalsybolism said: I would have thought people who dose that high are my friends, but apparently not I have learned As evidenced many times when meeting new people on tour over many years.
It could have even been a shitty tour, but anyway, those people are usually fucking retarded, and I reserve my judgement of people for DAYS.
I am not some quick-to-eyeball another person. That would be common, creepy and gay.
Sometimes people have taken too many doses and they think are kind, and i HOPEFULLY don't have do what I was set on this earth to do. Which is to destroy pretentious people and abuse them verbally.
That is hard on your average bearded asshole and they thank you later for calling them a fucking hipster.
Dosing real big just makes you a gnarly sort of dork unusually, and nobody has time for that.
...he used GAY as a derogatory term...dude it's 2016 and you are some douche bigot...seriously....GTFO...LITERALLY!
take your hate elsewhere...
Though, many of you don't seem to understand how a creative use of language might work. You get offended when someone uses the word "gay" in a context where they make it abundantly clear that they are probably not the kind of person to use a word like "gay" unless it was meant to be a short bit of humor. Like, taking the word back and making fun of it in a twisted context?
Sorry for inviting that response from a few of you. I was just encouraging people to become less offended all the time, and learn how to read a paragraph someone jokingly wrote. You know, without getting offended and attacking them.
I was fucking kidding. For a few people to literally not notice what a joke those 2 or so comments were, is truly insane.
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I have dosed very high on mushrooms a few times and I actually don't think it made me a douche bag.
To read my comments as if they were anything more than a joke with a touch of truth, you might think I hate people who dose high, and that I call them douches. That's only if you are not really "getting shit very well", and must be extremely bored not knowing who you are attacking. Not only are you attacking me and getting weird about shit, but you managed to act like you were offended. You used these "emoticons" to express yourselves.
Pretty cool
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fractalsybolism said: I have dosed very high on mushrooms a few times and I actually don't think it made me a douche bag.
To read my comments as if they were anything more than a joke with a touch of truth, you might think I hate people who dose high, and that I call them douches. That's only if you are not really "getting shit very well", and must be extremely bored not knowing who you are attacking. Not only are you attacking me and getting weird about shit, but you managed to act like you were offended. You used these "emoticons" to express yourselves.
Pretty cool
Ahhh yes the moral high ground everyone seems to scramble for these days.
Thank God for people like you.
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: heratogwea]
#23705938 - 10/04/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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fractalsybolism said: I have dosed very high on mushrooms a few times and I actually don't think it made me a douche bag.
To read my comments as if they were anything more than a joke with a touch of truth, you might think I hate people who dose high, and that I call them douches. That's only if you are not really "getting shit very well", and must be extremely bored not knowing who you are attacking. Not only are you attacking me and getting weird about shit, but you managed to act like you were offended. You used these "emoticons" to express yourselves.
Pretty cool
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Ahhh yes the moral high ground everyone seems to scramble for these days.
Thank God for people like you.
....... ....OMG ...I'm so fucking thankful for people like him....He "gets it"
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fractalsybolism said: I have dosed very high on mushrooms a few times and I actually don't think it made me a douche bag.
To read my comments as if they were anything more than a joke with a touch of truth, you might think I hate people who dose high, and that I call them douches. That's only if you are not really "getting shit very well", and must be extremely bored not knowing who you are attacking. Not only are you attacking me and getting weird about shit, but you managed to act like you were offended. You used these "emoticons" to express yourselves.
Pretty cool
So... if you dose high your not a douche and if either people do they are Mindless larvae....?? 
I will f****** outdose and out trip you anytime. I'll so many f****** intellectual circles around your little tiny mind that you're going to feel like a f****** pudding pop in Bill Cosby's mouth...
You Sir, are a joke
Deal with it!....
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: heratogwea]
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These massive dose posts are almost always troll posts as you can tell by how long they always last and how popular they are! Suggest a stupid dose and then just sit back and watch everybody fight.
Dosage is such a crazy thing to get competitive about as its impossible to know anyway what each person experiences from any given amount.
Voodoo may well be taking huge doses and is able to handle it better than others, though he may also need higher amounts to get to the same places other people get to on lower amounts. Who knows?
One man can take a shit load of acid and not feel very much, while some people have ended up being committed after taking a lone tab. You could say he cant handle his shit, but equally he might just get a lot further on alot less!
Some doses are just plain stupid and I would think a person able to take 40 grams dry of decent potency shrooms would certainly be operating on much lower sensitivity than your average person and might well just be semi retarded to begin with lol!
I mean its hard to comprehend how such a dose of 40 grams would be possible really as shrooms can be incredibly psychotic for me at even 3-5 grams of high potency!
I dont think this makes me 'a pussy' its simply a case of delusions beginning to set in which are always dangerous. Some people maybe dont react like this but its beyond my control and I am certainly more sensitive than I was in my younger days. I found over the years personally that I needed less and not more to get to the same places.
I am a hypocrite really cause deep down I am proud of my biggest experiences too, but it isn't really dose by which I measure them, but more the experience itself.
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: wolf8312]
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wolf8312 said: These massive dose posts are almost always troll posts as you can tell by how long they always last and how popular they are! Suggest a stupid dose and then just sit back and watch everybody fight.
Dosage is such a crazy thing to get competitive about as its impossible to know anyway what each person experiences from any given amount.
Voodoo may well be taking huge doses and is able to handle it better than others, though he may also need higher amounts to get to the same places other people get to on lower amounts. Who knows?
One man can take a shit load of acid and not feel very much, while some people have ended up being committed after taking a lone tab. You could say he cant handle his shit, but equally he might just get a lot further on alot less!
Some doses are just plain stupid and I would think a person able to take 40 grams dry of decent potency shrooms would certainly be operating on much lower sensitivity than your average person and might well just be semi retarded to begin with lol!
I mean its hard to comprehend how such a dose of 40 grams would be possible really as shrooms can be incredibly psychotic for me at even 3-5 grams of high potency!
I dont think this makes me 'a pussy' its simply a case of delusions beginning to set in which are always dangerous. Some people maybe dont react like this but its beyond my control and I am certainly more sensitive than I was in my younger days. I found over the years personally that I needed less and not more to get to the same places.
I am a hypocrite really cause deep down I am proud of my biggest experiences too, but it isn't really dose by which I measure them, but more the experience itself.
Well said.... I wasn't trying to brag up about high-dose and I was just telling that cat to shut the f****** up... I totally agree that it's overall a sensitivity thing... I am super thoughtful and intellectual about my trips so to say somehow that I am weak minded and that is how I can take high doses it is absolutely ludicrous
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: Puff]
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Puff said: trips unexplainable, you wont be able to see at all. You will only know feeling and observing anything you think of pops up in 3d all i have to say it will convince you of gods exsistance. the most spiritual thing ever i can say gods real i can say telepathy works i can say out of body experiences are real (not lucid dreaming) i can say mushrooms and lsd are illegal because the goverment dont want you to find out the truth believe me or not it is your choice
It's what happened to me last year, check my thead:
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: wolf8312]
#23708571 - 10/04/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: These massive dose posts are almost always troll posts as you can tell by how long they always last and how popular they are! Suggest a stupid dose and then just sit back and watch everybody fight.
Dosage is such a crazy thing to get competitive about as its impossible to know anyway what each person experiences from any given amount.
Voodoo may well be taking huge doses and is able to handle it better than others, though he may also need higher amounts to get to the same places other people get to on lower amounts. Who knows?
One man can take a shit load of acid and not feel very much, while some people have ended up being committed after taking a lone tab. You could say he cant handle his shit, but equally he might just get a lot further on alot less!
Some doses are just plain stupid and I would think a person able to take 40 grams dry of decent potency shrooms would certainly be operating on much lower sensitivity than your average person and might well just be semi retarded to begin with lol!
I mean its hard to comprehend how such a dose of 40 grams would be possible really as shrooms can be incredibly psychotic for me at even 3-5 grams of high potency!
I dont think this makes me 'a pussy' its simply a case of delusions beginning to set in which are always dangerous. Some people maybe dont react like this but its beyond my control and I am certainly more sensitive than I was in my younger days. I found over the years personally that I needed less and not more to get to the same places.
I am a hypocrite really cause deep down I am proud of my biggest experiences too, but it isn't really dose by which I measure them, but more the experience itself.
 Yeah, there's also tolerance. I trip very infrequently so when I dose I feel the whole dose. People tripping once a week or even once a month are going to be feeling a lot less than if you trip once a year. And there's definitely a natural sensitivity or desensitivy. Some people can't even get visuals off 5g and some people get full "death and rebirth" sacred visions at that point.
There's a lot of dick waving in this thread that's pretty absurd. If you're taking 40g doses and finding the need to brag about it online or flame people then you're certainly not gaining a lot of insight and humility, which ought to be the aim of psychedelics IMO. I take the minimum amount I need to have a transcendent trip where I merge with the Godhead and feel connected to humanity. I don't see the point of blacking out or just seeing psychedelic snow with an mind literally empty of any thought. Maybe that kind of nullification is what people are seeking and it gives them peace. If so, cool.
I personally find high doses to be neither therapeutic nor recreational. So what's the point? Dick waving? No thanks. If you're getting something out of it, by all means dose high, but it doesn't make you a better person and it's probably making you a little soft in the head. I think we've all hit that honeymoon phase and overdone the pyschs, it can turn you into a paranoid fruitcake if you're not careful. We have enough of those around here already.
For those of you dosing this high, is there a point of diminishing returns? Do you really feel that much different at 30g vs 40g? I personally think I would probably black out after 20g, but I tend to trip very strongly compared to the average person at the same dose. I dunno, last time I did DMT the breakthrough left me unsettled for months, it was humbling but it also left me with some derealization and depersonalization. Not really positives or anything to seek out, IMO. I'd rather come through a trip and be like, "that was fucking AWESOME!" not "well I survived, but what the fuck was that?"
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Yea big different between 30 vs 40vs 100g. Are they fun different doses more fun? Hell no . the fun part of mushrooms are the trips where the wood floors flow and move like a river. After that phase like 10 g or 20g is good insightful stuff but hard to be fine body load. More then that is minded numbed be on deaths door sick. So 10 g more of the toxic compounds making you ill is much worse. The worse trip i had was the highest dose too. Not because i saw more crazy shit which stresses some out but not me what the horrible pain and throbbing all over. Added to the fact time feels like it slows down. I believe truly with my all my heart that people should start with 2.5 g first to not freak out. Then jump to 5 g to be mind mental attacked. Then straight to 25g to know the worst of it with a babysitter. After that find the dose that works for you.
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: tump]
#23708612 - 10/05/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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40 gram dry would probably have most people covered in puke and tripping balls a good 24-48 hours straight, and what remains of sanity slowly returning a week later.
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Yeah I can't imagine the trip justifying the bodyload, but I think there has to be a point where you're too skullfucked to notice any additional effects. There has to be a saturation point where your synapses are maxed out and don't have room for any more psilocybin, or your ego is so blown away there there isn't any "you" left to comprehend it. Like DMT breakthroughs, a breakthrough is a breakthrough, I can double my breakthrough dose and it doesn't get any more intense, I just remember even less. There is no level beyond ego death, at least not that I've found, or if it's any different, you don't remember enough to quantify it. I don't get the draw. I'd like to hear detailed accounts of these trips, or at least honest descriptions of what they're like, but I'm guessing that people don't even remember much more than little flashes.
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I had some weird thing with my eyeballs on Peak on the last trip and it was a little strange!... it was all fine in the end no worries but in the moment was a little concerning and strange...
I've had a few weird things go on with my eyes on anything over 4g. Sometimes when a wave passed over I feel my eyeballs want to roll up in their sockets. It's not uncomfortable unless I try to fight it. I simply close my eyelids and that urge goes away.
Sometimes I've had my eyes water like there's no tomorrow, or eyelids that went to involuntarily flicker/flutter.
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You can remember the trips at a 100plus grams. But no you mentally come down 12 hours . still feel like crap but the visuals and most mental functionality is normal after. Not with pure dmt nor lsd but mushrooms yes to that. But its the same mindset as getting high on be Diphenhydramine sure 150mg is nice little high with a body load. Lets try 2500mg next time but after 500 mg the visuals and high is the same all the extra 2000mg is doing making you sicker and longer
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fractalsybolism said: I have dosed very high on mushrooms a few times and I actually don't think it made me a douche bag.
To read my comments as if they were anything more than a joke with a touch of truth, you might think I hate people who dose high, and that I call them douches. That's only if you are not really "getting shit very well", and must be extremely bored not knowing who you are attacking. Not only are you attacking me and getting weird about shit, but you managed to act like you were offended. You used these "emoticons" to express yourselves.
Pretty cool
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Ahhh yes the moral high ground everyone seems to scramble for these days.
Thank God for people like you.
....... ....OMG ...I'm so fucking thankful for people like him....He "gets it" 
I feel like you might be the last person on this site who should be misusing the Jerry Garcia emoticon. The called "smugjerry" to top it off, as his image was meant to be misused apparently.
I am pretty sure he was super cool and didn't like common rock and roll interviews which is where they got the photo for that. It could have been a friendly Letterman appearance for all I know. He made that face regularly. So it is a fucky emoticon. It is ironic and backwards... I am pretty sure he was not all about bad and smug vibes.
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I am pretty sure some people in this thread "get" what 40 grams is. Some of them probably understood my weird comments too.
Voodoochild1000, do you have a smug-looking picture of Hendrix you can misuse in your emoticon language? Fucking smartypants.
This is like, so me on 750 acids!
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P.Zappatecorum said: Yeah I can't imagine the trip justifying the bodyload, but I think there has to be a point where you're too skullfucked to notice any additional effects. There has to be a saturation point where your synapses are maxed out and don't have room for any more psilocybin, or your ego is so blown away there there isn't any "you" left to comprehend it. Like DMT breakthroughs, a breakthrough is a breakthrough, I can double my breakthrough dose and it doesn't get any more intense, I just remember even less. There is no level beyond ego death, at least not that I've found, or if it's any different, you don't remember enough to quantify it. I don't get the draw. I'd like to hear detailed accounts of these trips, or at least honest descriptions of what they're like, but I'm guessing that people don't even remember much more than little flashes.
Thats so true dude, hyperspace is very much a place.
I liken it to mentally breaking the light barrier, it doesent go any further or any faster and nor does it need to, or could it! As I always say, it is already the most intense intensity endlessly accelerating ever more intensely. The only way I can put it!
If it can indeed get more intense than that it certainly dosent need to and I certainly wouldnt want it to!
There is a lower spirit realm one can reach with lesser doses, but just as you said about a breakthrough- hyperspace, is hyperspace, is hyperspace.
It is limited only in the sense that there are no limitations to what it is capable of showing you. It is like a dream but only in the sense that dreams are all as equally capable of anything at different times, though some will also be more amazing than others at different times.
It's just a case of what they choose to show you. But dreams, are dreams, are dreams, metaphysical places you visit. The most terrifying aspect of hyperspace is its unlimited power potential, and potency. It can pretty much show you anything, but the experience is all there is and therein lies the trouble. The only time you can really comprehend it, is when you are actually there but it allows nothing through customs to be taken home.
Nobody can possess these experiences or own them like expensive possessions that they can show off or claim credit for. I took 20 grams therefore I own and am an expert on the 20 gram experience and psychedelics in general! Sadly it dosent work like that!
In actual fact invariably you take home with you only a few vague mental images of chaos/hallucination/delusion or perhaps an indistinct sense of dread or insanity. After that we attempt to associate the sheer awesomeness of the experience with ourselves in a similar way to how moronic nationalists attempt to incorporate into themselves the achievements of their own nation! Great Britain great man, great trip...well you get the idea!
Sober it is an utterly impossible to comprehend experience and all one has left is a tempting sense of awe or wonder which is very often responsible for enticing idiots like me back again. Once back I can scarcely believe I have been so stupid as to have been duped into it all again!
People will say 'you were tripping' and so an utterly 'smashed out of his mind' and discredited witness of which to objectively verify the existence of hyperspace. But equally absurd is soberly attempting to dismiss it! A sober man has no comprehension whosoever of what it is he is talking about- for he cannot in any meaningful way remember or grasp the experience and even if he could he would not be able to describe it even to himself.
Thats what always gets me you know we/it are real now, but you'll go back home and nobody will ever believe you, you'll never be able to explain it! And back you go again!
Taking ridiculous doses is almost invariably a self-destructive impulse not much different to a man drinking alcohol or using heroin to excess.
It becomes more about reporting the experience on the shroomery and maintaining the far out identity/reputation than it does the experience itself. You have to seriously sit down and ask yourself what you are trying to achieve by pushing dangerous psychosis inducing substances to the limits of your mental capacity to contain them. That way lies insanity, and despite many people attempting to romanticize and associate insanity with genius, take it from me its an utterly hideous disgustingly evil experience. Think about your loved ones.
I personally will no longer use psychedelics, as I now have a family and son and finally feel free to break away from them or rather know that I have to.
I dont want my kid to ever go through some of the experiences I have with psychedelics or cannabis and worry a great deal about drug culture in western society and how I can keep my kid away from it.
Its one thing to do these things but another entirely to be like I was and utterly reckless. Played with my mind like it was nothing but a god damned toy...
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Re: Never take 40g of mushrooms [Re: wolf8312]
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Thanks for that intelligent response. Definitely sounds like these doses are similar to my DMT breakthrough experiences, only they're 5 hours long instead of 15-30 minutes. I feel the same way about those trips as you're describing, always tempted to go back but then when you do you're like "why the fuck do I keep doing this to myself?" I gave away all my DMT after 10 breakthroughs. I learned enough and decided it wasn't for me. I don't think I would ever dose that high on LSD or mushrooms, that's a very long time to be comatose on the floor completely unresponsive to the world and I agree that it's basically as excessive and self destructive as getting black out drunk.
To each is own, everybody finds that sweet spot where they get the most out of the psychedelic experience and it's different for each person and there's nothing wrong with experimenting to find the limits, but only a fool bangs his head against a wall over and over again just to prove how tough he is. Happy tripping everyone.
 
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