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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23694314 - 09/30/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Can you show me where you are commanded to burn witches in the New Testament? That was a decision by the church, not the religion itself

Think of it as communism, the rules are the rules, sure, you can change them, but then it is no longer communism,

This is only my understanding of the issue, maybe a theologian can weigh in




The fact that there is a NEW Testament at all proves their was a dulling of the edges. The Old Testament is far more barbaric.



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you can apply the same logic to Islam -- Sam Harris says that the ideals perpetuated within the religion is due to the literature they ascribe their philosophy to. :shrug: check mate. (also, funny, you don't ask for a theologian when casting aspersions on Islam, eh?)

PS: For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

also, as an aside.

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

nice...confuse people into damnation. thanks Jesus.




Christianity has nothing to do with the Old Testament, the facts you guys are clueless to this tellms me any discussion on this topic is wasted on you


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23694323 - 09/30/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:lolsy:

Once again, you are the one that is clueless.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23696343 - 10/01/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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:lolsy:

Once again, you are the one that is clueless.




Please cite Christ in the Old Testament,

:popcorn:


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23696407 - 10/01/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The OT (the law) and the NT (grace) both go together.  The law must be fulfilled perfectly.  However the natural reaction to the law is that people think they can keep it themselves.  The blindness to God's righteousness prevents them from seeing it requires perfection.  Instead of realizing it is impossible to keep the law, and cry out for mercy from it, the proud lost religionists try and try to be good enough to keep the law.  Only Jesus kept the law perfectly.  Jesus is the only way that the demands of the law are satisfied.  He had to perfectly keep the law, and pay the price for the sins of those He came to save.  The elects sins were imputed to His account, and He paid the price of the broken law.  His righteousness is imputed to them, they will appear as spotless, and can be adopted and reconciled with God. 

Those who are to be saved have been named from before the foundation of the world to be saved.  All those who will be damned have also been appointed to their end as well.  God saves and damns according to His good purpose and pleasure alone.

Modern day law keepers try to turn the gospel into a conditional proposition.  Jesus did X now you must do Y to be saved.  This is just another form of law keeping and is a fatal error.  No one who is saved believes something they have done activates salvation.  If they do believe they they are not saved, since they believe they are able to perform an action to perfection.  It proves they are ignorant of God's righteousness and are lost.  This error is known as  Arminianism or free willism, which has infected almost all so called churches of today.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: fivepointer]
    #23696456 - 10/01/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

there ya go HU^ that's pretty much it. Jesus said i am here to fulfil the law, and he said "they shall die the death", ie those whom do not follow the laws.

meaning, that if you ate shellfish, you should die, lest God forgives you, if you repent!


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23696491 - 10/01/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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:lolsy:

Once again, you are the one that is clueless.




Please cite Christ in the Old Testament,

:popcorn:




Please cite the creation story, adam and eve, and the 10 commandments in the New Testament.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23696493 - 10/01/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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there ya go HU^ that's pretty much it. Jesus said i am here to fulfil the law, and he said "they shall die the death", ie those whom do not follow the laws.

meaning, that if you ate shellfish, you should die, lest God forgives you, if you repent!




Forgiveness is a Catholic fraud. Calvinist determinism ftw. HU was damned from Creation.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23705590 - 10/04/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The problem I see with removing religion as a cultural institution is that people will always want to believe. A meaningless life is unbearable for individuals and for collectives. People need to feel that they came from somewhere and are going somewhere, that they have a connection to their ancestors that extends through them and beyond them into the past and the future, so their lives aren't just an isolated event but a continuation of something timeless. Tradition, I think, is more important than many today realise. This is why I will defend Christianity even though I'm not a Christian. At this point it feels like the only thing the west has left in terms of a shared belief that goes beyond materialism and it still serves in some ways to mitigate the influence of more pernicious idealogies like Islam.

You can say that a personal relationship with God is more important, ok, but remember very few people have the will or the strength of character required to persue such a relationship and so without the formal institutions the majority will eventually fall into nihilistic hedonism, or be captured by a more commanding set of beliefs.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: tHEfLY]
    #23705949 - 10/04/16 07:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

altruism, empathy, spirituality, humanism, these concepts are all possible, better even, without the supernatural.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23707659 - 10/04/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Religion - n. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point
or matter of ethics or conscience


Do you understand now what religion means? A religion is a set of
beliefs whether it be organized and followed by many or something you
completely made up in your head that you follow by in your day to day
life....

Going to war over religion can mean several things....

On the greater scale, Actual physical wars where people kill each other and blood is shed and people die....

Or

On a smaller scale, people, like you guys in this thread, debate
back and forth and no one is harmed but they are still arguing, fighting
over what's right or whats wrong.

So to say let's eradicate all religion so we can have peace is extremely
absurd. There will always be wars as long as people have differing
opinions. There will always be different beliefs between different individuals. To say ALL RELIGION is false is the stupidest thing you can say. That's like saying life is a lie. There is a truth out there and there is a right way to live.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: Leviticus969]
    #23707669 - 10/04/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Moreover, I find it extremely ignorant when people have never even studied most of organized religions and feel entitled to make whatever claims they want about it.

That's like me hating on a specific race or part of the world because I only know what I see on the tv about them.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23709536 - 10/05/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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there ya go HU^ that's pretty much it. Jesus said i am here to fulfil the law, and he said "they shall die the death", ie those whom do not follow the laws.

meaning, that if you ate shellfish, you should die, lest God forgives you, if you repent!



The ceremonial laws distinguished and separated Jews from Gentiles were obliterated, the feasts, sacrifices, offerings, laws of cleanliness and purification, and all other such distinctive outward commandments of Israel were abolished.  The moral law summed up as "that you love one another, even as I have loved you", also described as the Ten Commandments remains.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: fivepointer]
    #23709560 - 10/05/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wrong. Those laws were everlasting covenants of YHWH. The new testament was made to abolish the old testament bcuz the new testament jesus is none other than Lucifer that wants to be his own God with his own rules.

Luciferians are actually christians, freemasons, catholics, mormons, and so on.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: fivepointer]
    #23710804 - 10/05/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They weren't abolished - there is a Jewish supremacist state called Israel right now.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: viktor]
    #23711129 - 10/05/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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They weren't abolished - there is a Jewish supremacist state called Israel right now.



How does the modern state of Israel even come into consideration as to whether the OT laws have been done away in a religious context?  It doesn't.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: fivepointer]
    #23711255 - 10/05/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

To really understand why the middle east reject Christ as a God and the new testament, you must first read the old and new testaments. It's really plain to see the contradictory behaviors of YHWH and Jesus if you don't just buy everything you read and hear from others. The muslims even reject Christ as their God. They are in fact, better than christians.

The old testament was originally written by Hebrews.

The new testament was then created by greek pagans who wanted to perverse the old testament with their "new world order bs".

That's why everyone thinks the bible as a whole is bull shit. Because the new testament teachings literally corrupted it with lies and people buy it.

The Jesus churches want nothing then to want you to be stupid slaves.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: Leviticus969]
    #23712222 - 10/06/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The entire Old Testament points toward Jesus.  Jesus is the Messiah and the fulfillment of prophecy.


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Re: Modernising Religion [Re: fivepointer]
    #23722912 - 10/09/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

A bunch of schizophrenic babble to me.

Religion is a cultural device.  People want a box to limit consciousness.  Some sort of navigation.  It's a need and heavily manipulated.

People pretending to have divine authority.  The only authority people need to have is understanding cause and effect.  The ability to make choices and navigate intelligently.  That's hard to do when our ancestors were delusional fucks.  They believed in ways that worked because their ways were not all that powerful.  They gave up their power for destruction mostly due to religious beliefs.


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