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Salvia 5x
    #23685902 - 09/28/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hello!

I'm going to try 5x salvia and I'm wondering how much i need to smoke it for breakthrough? 0.5 grams or less?

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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: papadennis]
    #23685981 - 09/28/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

0.2 in a bong, stick some tobacco at the bottom and top the salvia with a little bit more.

Light only with a torch as salvia has a high evaporating point.

Work your way up as you will maybe need two hits to breakthrough.

You can maybe breakthrough with 0.4 or a little bit more.

Be calm and relaxed try closing your eyes and opening hour mouth.

Keep the smoke as long as you can in your lungs, be prepared that the smoke taste is not that pleasant.

Let go completely, remember to breath.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23685988 - 09/28/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for quick answer! "Remember to breath"? Can one pass out smoking salvia?


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: papadennis]
    #23686042 - 09/28/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Never happened to me.

It may be very overwhelming and being aware of breathing controllably will ease you (as much as it can).

It's not always a pleasant 'trip', let go completely and enjoy Sally, she's a real beauty when treated right.

I would suggest a sitter for the first times, until you can build yourself up to the point where you're aware of your own actions and you know yourself on Sally.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23686083 - 09/28/16 10:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im eager to try it for healing purposes cause iv been having addiction to drinking. I have asked sitter to come when im fully prepared.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: papadennis] * 1
    #23686089 - 09/28/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wish you best of luck with your healing journey.

It's good to know you'll have a sitter with you, it's nice to talk to somebody about your experience right after it.

You'll feel it for a couple of hours in your body as a weird sensation.. It will wear off and everything will be alright.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: papadennis] * 1
    #23686107 - 09/28/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you do it right it will hit you before you have chance to wonder if you've done it right, so make sure you're somewhere comfortable. It will make you want to jump up and resist but it is best to just let go and ride it out.
It could help with drinking addiction. It should make you appreciate sanity and sobriety more than you do now, and the sudden shifting in consciousness will bring some wonder and amazement into your sober life.
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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23686507 - 09/28/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks alot! I will come to write what happened in couple weeks.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: papadennis]
    #23686668 - 09/28/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I wouldn't worry about weighing out doses of 5x.
Even with 10x I just load my bowl full and smoke it all.

Also you don't need a torch... Every time I smoke salvia I use a regular BIC lighter... Works fine.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: impaired420]
    #23686853 - 09/28/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't worry about weighing out doses of 5x.
Even with 10x I just load my bowl full and smoke it all.

Also you don't need a torch... Every time I smoke salvia I use a regular BIC lighter... Works fine.




When packing a bowl of x10  with half a gram it will sure hit you without all of the salvironin a evaporating.

Salvia is very heat resistant, and smoking with a torch will get out the most out of the substance.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23687301 - 09/28/16 03:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't worry about weighing out doses of 5x.
Even with 10x I just load my bowl full and smoke it all.

Also you don't need a torch... Every time I smoke salvia I use a regular BIC lighter... Works fine.




When packing a bowl of x10  with half a gram it will sure hit you without all of the salvironin a evaporating.

Salvia is very heat resistant, and smoking with a torch will get out the most out of the substance.




The torch lighter thing is a myth. A normal lighter works just as well. And definitely don't add any tobacco to it, that's stuff's just fucking nasty and toxic. It won't help you get any better effects from the saliva. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Most people don't enjoy their salvia experiences, many people find that it's too disorienting, intense, and scary. This can be avoided by slowly acclimating yourself to the experience.

If you really want to, you can just pack a full bowl of your 5x and take as many big hits as you can while holding them for as long as you can. Eventually you won't be able to understand how to operate your lighter anymore, and your trip will start.

I wouldn't recommend that, but it's what I did and I loved it.

Most people would prefer to start small. Pack the bowl, take one normal sized hit and see how it feels.

Salvia has a reverse tolerance. So if you didn't get the intensity you wanted from the first hit, just wait until the effects are completely gone and try again. Smoke a little bit more this time. It will be significantly more intense. Keep waiting for the effects to fade and smoking a little more each time until you reach a level of intensity that is comfortable, but satisfying. That's the best way to avoid a salvia freakout.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: healing]
    #23687385 - 09/28/16 04:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't worry about weighing out doses of 5x.
Even with 10x I just load my bowl full and smoke it all.

Also you don't need a torch... Every time I smoke salvia I use a regular BIC lighter... Works fine.




When packing a bowl of x10  with half a gram it will sure hit you without all of the salvironin a evaporating.

Salvia is very heat resistant, and smoking with a torch will get out the most out of the substance.




The torch lighter thing is a myth. A normal lighter works just as well. And definitely don't add any tobacco to it, that's stuff's just fucking nasty and toxic. It won't help you get any better effects from the saliva. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Most people don't enjoy their salvia experiences, many people find that it's too disorienting, intense, and scary. This can be avoided by slowly acclimating yourself to the experience.

If you really want to, you can just pack a full bowl of your 5x and take as many big hits as you can while holding them for as long as you can. Eventually you won't be able to understand how to operate your lighter anymore, and your trip will start.

I wouldn't recommend that, but it's what I did and I loved it.

Most people would prefer to start small. Pack the bowl, take one normal sized hit and see how it feels.

Salvia has a reverse tolerance. So if you didn't get the intensity you wanted from the first hit, just wait until the effects are completely gone and try again. Smoke a little bit more this time. It will be significantly more intense. Keep waiting for the effects to fade and smoking a little more each time until you reach a level of intensity that is comfortable, but satisfying. That's the best way to avoid a salvia freakout.




With all due respect, and I do respect you and hear you.

I've done salvia dozens of times recreationally.

It does work better with a torch lighter.
It 'believed' to have a reverse tolerance and never been approved scientifically. (Reverse tolerance works right for me)

Also on 10% or so of the total humans salvia will not work or will be very ineffective in regular doses.

Best way to avoid salvia freakout is to chew on a quid and not smoke it.
Sally doesn't really like to be smoked.
At least until you get used to it.

P.s.it could be any other tobacco replacement, I use tobacco as my favoritw taste because greengo and such were used to inhibit jwh-018 on them leaves, so I can Luke only from the taste, this is a personal favor.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23687403 - 09/28/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also, the tobacco is not to get 'more effects' it's simply to build a 'blanket' between the salvia to make it evaporate more than burn.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23687517 - 09/28/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I wouldn't worry about weighing out doses of 5x.
Even with 10x I just load my bowl full and smoke it all.

Also you don't need a torch... Every time I smoke salvia I use a regular BIC lighter... Works fine.




When packing a bowl of x10  with half a gram it will sure hit you without all of the salvironin a evaporating.

Salvia is very heat resistant, and smoking with a torch will get out the most out of the substance.




The torch lighter thing is a myth. A normal lighter works just as well. And definitely don't add any tobacco to it, that's stuff's just fucking nasty and toxic. It won't help you get any better effects from the saliva. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

Most people don't enjoy their salvia experiences, many people find that it's too disorienting, intense, and scary. This can be avoided by slowly acclimating yourself to the experience.

If you really want to, you can just pack a full bowl of your 5x and take as many big hits as you can while holding them for as long as you can. Eventually you won't be able to understand how to operate your lighter anymore, and your trip will start.

I wouldn't recommend that, but it's what I did and I loved it.

Most people would prefer to start small. Pack the bowl, take one normal sized hit and see how it feels.

Salvia has a reverse tolerance. So if you didn't get the intensity you wanted from the first hit, just wait until the effects are completely gone and try again. Smoke a little bit more this time. It will be significantly more intense. Keep waiting for the effects to fade and smoking a little more each time until you reach a level of intensity that is comfortable, but satisfying. That's the best way to avoid a salvia freakout.




With all due respect, and I do respect you and hear you.

I've done salvia dozens of times recreationally.

It does work better with a torch lighter.
It 'believed' to have a reverse tolerance and never been approved scientifically. (Reverse tolerance works right for me)

Also on 10% or so of the total humans salvia will not work or will be very ineffective in regular doses.

Best way to avoid salvia freakout is to chew on a quid and not smoke it.
Sally doesn't really like to be smoked.
At least until you get used to it.

P.s.it could be any other tobacco replacement, I use tobacco as my favoritw taste because greengo and such were used to inhibit jwh-018 on them leaves, so I can Luke only from the taste, this is a personal favor.




No dude. Go do some reading and stop giving out false information.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: healing]
    #23688804 - 09/28/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I always smoked my salvia straight in a bowl like weed and never had a problem at all with its effects from 5x to 40x.
Also I would pack .2 of the 5x and try that. You will get into the headspace but probably wont breakthrough completely. Still will be tripping pretty hard tho I would imagine.
I had breakthrough experiences on 10x and higher. I found it seemed wasteful to smoke so much 5x, I just used it for more lighter trips or put in joints to give them a little kick haha.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: healing]
    #23688877 - 09/28/16 11:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No dude. Go do some reading and stop giving out false information.




I'm calling you out.

Show me that reverse tolerance has been proved scientifically.

Show me that salvia is effective on every person.

Show me that the evaporating point is low enough to get the most out of it with a regular lighter.

And I will bow down in shame and eat my own hat. I'm willing to accept my mistakes, as long as they are mistakes.

Again I did salvia dozens of times, what you're saying is mostly correct, but you should get some reading yourself, without insulting..


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23688901 - 09/28/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ive met people where salvia has no effect on them outside ofa headache. Some people dont get high from it I guess.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23688910 - 09/28/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Same dude, I've a real good friend who stays sober on massive bits of x20.

Some people are just not sensitive at all/very insensitive to salvironin a.

'Reverse tolerance' might be in play because it's like that for me, though never been approved scientifically.

A bic lighter will work, a torch works better.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia] * 1
    #23688930 - 09/28/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Regular lighters can burn at like 3000 degrees F. Salvia only has a melting point of about 478 degrees F.

And although it's not exactly 'proof' as not any tests have been on it, but pretty much everyone has reported that Salvia has reverse tolerance. If anything, it's a little more than coincidence.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: Near Dylan]
    #23688944 - 09/28/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed.

As I said bic lighter will work, the combustion of the torch is really what makes the difference.

Reverse tolerance has been approved to work for me as well.. though saying 'salvia has a reverse tolerance' is a little bit more than saying 'reverse tolerance might be in play'.

Also remember that most people are aware of that 'reverse tolerance' before smoking so might be a placebo effect like oj and shrooms.
Again, including me.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23689039 - 09/29/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No dude. Go do some reading and stop giving out false information.




I'm calling you out.

Show me that reverse tolerance has been proved scientifically.

Show me that salvia is effective on every person.

Show me that the evaporating point is low enough to get the most out of it with a regular lighter.

And I will bow down in shame and eat my own hat. I'm willing to accept my mistakes, as long as they are mistakes.

Again I did salvia dozens of times, what you're saying is mostly correct, but you should get some reading yourself, without insulting..




https://erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3139
"I found that the ideal airstream temperature for vaporizing salvinorin A from dried leaves is approximately 277° C."

277°C is 530°F

I can find no conclusive source on the temperature of a normal lighter flame but the lowest possible temperature at which butane burns, is 761°F and the highest possible temperature in air is 3578°F
http://www.enlink.com/assets/documents/material_safety_data_sheets/butane_safety.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_flame_temperature

Both well above the "ideal airstream temperature for vaporizing salvinorin A."

As for the reverse tolerance. It's never been studied and published in any kind of scientific publication, but even just a cursory search will show you the huge number of people who have reported this effect.

And the final piece of information isn't something that I can provide a source against because that's not how it works. You stated that "On 10% or so of the total humans salvia will not work or will be very ineffective in regular doses." So you need to provide the source for that statement.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: healing]
    #23689066 - 09/29/16 12:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I know a bic lighter will work, the combustion of a torch will just ease on the time of inhaling and heating, make you inevitably to take on more salvinorin a.

"Approximately 10% of people are unusually insensitive to salvinorin A. Most of these people can achieve a satisfactory level of effects by using a higher than average dose. Some people require a dose several times higher than average. Be very cautious when experimenting with higher than average doses. "

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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23689076 - 09/29/16 01:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I think you posted the wrong link. That quote does not occur on that page.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: healing]
    #23689098 - 09/29/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry for that one man

http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html#Section 6

"An ordinary lighter or match is quite hot enough to vaporize salvinorin A and should be quite adequate for smoking salvinorin A fortified leaf products. An extra hot flame, such as that produced by a micro-torch, will simply cause more rapid vaporization and combustion. This can be an advantage when smoking plain Salvia divinorum leaves, because it is usually necessary to smoke a relatively large amount of leaf in a short amount time to achieve strong effects."

Also I would like to say I picked up my words a bit wrong and that's why I came a bit confusing maybe.





OP@ that site which I put here 'sagewisdom' has everything you need to know in it about salvia and has been a great tool for me when I started my journey with it.



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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23689320 - 09/29/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The best way I ever did it, and this was about 8 years ago, was in a waterfall. I do t know what you guys call it over there.

Basically you get a big plastic bottle, put a hole in the bottom, put foil with small holes in over the top, put your salvia in there, fill bottle with water and light allowing the water out the bottom of the bottle sucking in the smoke from your burning salvia and inhale when full.

I did this with x10 and went fucking nuts, completely lost myself and tried to crawl through a closed window so yes be careful.

I also agree that it doesn't effect everyone, a lot of my friends think it does nothing to them but to me it sends me to the fucking moon!!


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: Smoothcat]
    #23689361 - 09/29/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for answers! I will start slowly and smoke more if one dose is not enough. I have done shrooms and acid many times but this one, i want to take it slow. But if its intense at first time, all i can do is get ready for it! Should i put some music playing for trip?


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: papadennis]
    #23689837 - 09/29/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bro you're tripping I smoke plain salvia leaf everyday and I use a bic lighter.

A bic flame Burns at over 500 degrees ferenhoet it's plenty hot enough to activate salvinorum.


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Re: Salvia 5x [Re: psilosalvia]
    #23689844 - 09/29/16 09:27 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry for that one man

http://www.sagewisdom.org/faq.html#Section 6

"An ordinary lighter or match is quite hot enough to vaporize salvinorin A and should be quite adequate for smoking salvinorin A fortified leaf products. An extra hot flame, such as that produced by a micro-torch, will simply cause more rapid vaporization and combustion. This can be an advantage when smoking plain Salvia divinorum leaves, because it is usually necessary to smoke a relatively large amount of leaf in a short amount time to achieve strong effects."

Also I would like to say I picked up my words a bit wrong and that's why I came a bit confusing maybe.





OP@ that site which I put here 'sagewisdom' has everything you need to know in it about salvia and has been a great tool for me when I started my journey with it.






I'm sorry but that just isn't true. I love Daniel siebert but it's false. I get plenty out of just plain leaf with a bic.

A match Burns almost half as hot as a bic so a match wouldn't be appropriate.


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