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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: psilosalvia]
#23693465 - 09/30/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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psilosalvia said: I alter my perception to open my mind to points of view about my problems and personality, to work on my self on a higher consciousness-level.
All in all, simply to have a more meaningful and better life.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Dreamfarer]
#23693500 - 09/30/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If it didn't feel good and create fresh and novel ways of thinking about things there would be no point.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: zzripz]
#23695098 - 09/30/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
they are also agents used to escape unbearable cages people have to live in
Over the course of 25 years, I created dozens of excuses for becoming intoxicated.
But now I can see clearly they were excuses, with no merit.
We can break free from our prison without chemicals.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23695352 - 09/30/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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zzripz said:
they are also agents used to escape unbearable cages people have to live in
Over the course of 25 years, I created dozens of excuses for becoming intoxicated.
But now I can see clearly they were excuses, with no merit.
We can break free from our prison without chemicals.
there's being intoxicated, and being really psychedelically enhanced,
please don't equate the two here, though you may have for 25 years in your own head (and I am actually glad you are over that)
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: redgreenvines]
#23695385 - 09/30/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: there's being intoxicated, and being really psychedelically enhanced
Yes, that one is on my long list 
The term "enhanced" is a word I've used a lot
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23695483 - 09/30/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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asceticism and abstinence and meditation are all tools for "enhancement" to achieve enlightened states of mind -- in order to realize Nirvana.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Raven44]
#23695498 - 09/30/16 09:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Raven44 said:
Drugs like heroine, cocain, meth, alchohol are all used to escape pain and fear. End of story.
For some people, sure.
Not for everyone though.
Some people are interested in how substances will make them feel, and the states of consciousness which come from experimenting on oneself with such things.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: akira_akuma]
#23695506 - 09/30/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Awakening is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with enhancement.
It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23695582 - 09/30/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: Awakening is a destructive process. It has nothing to do with enhancement.
It has nothing to do with becoming better or being happier.
why is awakening destructive, except to unfinished dreams?
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: redgreenvines]
#23695985 - 10/01/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's the crumbing away of untruth. It's totally abandoning our "story".
It's the annihilation of everything we imagined to be true.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23696000 - 10/01/16 12:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: It's the crumbing away of untruth. It's totally abandoning our "story".
It's the annihilation of everything we imagined to be true.
Shiva shambu
Destruction of the the objective truth.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: psilosalvia]
#23696322 - 10/01/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think awakening is more like getting lighter, enlightenment, no sense of destruction at all. anticipating destruction is a false preparation for awakening.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Lucis]
#23696542 - 10/01/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fennario said:
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Raven44 said:
Drugs like heroine, cocain, meth, alchohol are all used to escape pain and fear. End of story.
For some people, sure.
Not for everyone though.
Some people are interested in how substances om experimenting on oneself with such things.
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akira_akuma
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23699378 - 10/02/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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"I make a distinction between different types of ego. One type of ego is self-cherishing in order to get some benefit for itself, disregarding the rights of others. This is negative ego. Another ego says, 'I must be a good human being. I must serve. I must take full responsibility.' That kind of strong feeling of 'I' or self opposes some of our negative emotions."
Dali Lama --Book Of Wisdom
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Raven44]
#23699855 - 10/02/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Comment about what occurred when microdosing - fascinating! Would that all could...
Also makes me think a little of this: Calvin: Sometimes when I'm talking, my words can't keep up with my thoughts. I wonder why we think faster than we speak. Hobbes: Probably so we can think twice.
But I also appreciate your response because I've been experiencing something semi-similar lately, for some months really, where I'll be talking to someone and then my attention will seem to detach and side-step from the 1st person and take up temporary residence somewhere else just above. And I'll be able to observe the conversation, our patterns and language and so on, from a third perspective independent of us (but no doubt still informed by its connection with me). There's an idea in Buddhism of something like "know the mind that is doing the knowing" which could be an interesting thing to look up to support the psilocybin - unless you're not anymore, since you say "when I was..."?
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Dreamfarer]
#23700829 - 10/02/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the responses! Much appreciated, and very stimulating. Lots of new language to use in communicating the kernels buried in my own ramblings...
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Dreamfarer]
#23700841 - 10/02/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I use 4.7.5 stable lts
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: nuentoter]
#23701037 - 10/02/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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To turn life into a living fairytale, primarily. If you don't want that, you don't need to associate with me anymore. Perhaps I'd prefer if you didn't?
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: beforethedawn]
#23702323 - 10/03/16 02:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Perception alteration is a perpetual, daily occurrence affecting everyone, whether it be through an influential television programme on a particular topic or a destructive monsoon.
Oddly the term has been abused by the very organisations who invest time and money into altering perception and so I think many people use certain substances and methods to get traction upon a more true path, to be able to step out of the static and have a look around free of the baggage of indoctrination.
With that said, I've found that some common things in the world which I previously viewed as fallacies did infact have great truths to them, so I feel as if I discovered in many cases, that the fallacy was ridicule itself, which attempts to laugh away valuable principles.
It's good to see where the detriments stem from as much as the assets.
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Re: Answering the question "why would you want to alter perception?" [Re: Duncan Rowhl] 1
#23702529 - 10/03/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you, like zzrips, avoid the question to rant against social conspiracy.
in the meantime, this one question is actually germane to why people come to the Shroomery.
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