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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23686290 - 09/28/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We paid out money to the families of victims of 9/11 because it is understood that lost wealth is detrimental to the family members left behind. Why is it a stretch to say the families of people who were deprived of any ability to even have wealth aren't affected in a similar way?




Because everyone needs help, that's why half of America is here.
I'm for projects which can aid in the welfare of all poor people and don't see why anyone needs special attention. Mexicans, Colombians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Polish, and Ukranians have problems too. We arrived here with nothing.


I'm all for aiding American victims of catastrophes, 9/11, Katrina, whatever else.
That's an immediate violent occurrence though, former slaves are just another group of refugees.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23686292 - 09/28/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23686310 - 09/28/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We paid out money to the families of victims of 9/11 because it is understood that lost wealth is detrimental to the family members left behind. Why is it a stretch to say the families of people who were deprived of any ability to even have wealth aren't affected in a similar way?




Because everyone needs help, that's why half of America is here.
I'm for projects which can aid in the welfare of all poor people and don't see why anyone needs special attention. Mexicans, Colombians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Polish, and Ukranians have problems too. We arrived here with nothing.


I'm all for aiding American victims of catastrophes, 9/11, Katrina, whatever else.
That's an immediate violent occurrence though, former slaves are just another group of refugees.




So you don't see any connection between the extreme rates of poverty for black people compared to other groups and the fact that they are the only group that was subject to unrelenting legally sanctioned (and often times, mandated) discrimination and disenfranchisement from the beginning of this country up until about 40 years ago?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: ChemicalSpark] * 2
    #23686319 - 09/28/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyone looking for reparations from 150 years ago is a fucking loser.







You have to understand that people like Koods think so lowly of black people that the only way they can get ahead is with a direct handout from the taxpayer. It's truly a demeaning outlook on a group of people.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: qman] * 1
    #23686335 - 09/28/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Anyone looking for reparations from 150 years ago is a fucking loser.







You have to understand that people like Koods think so lowly of black people that the only way they can get ahead is with a direct handout from the taxpayer. It's truly a demeaning outlook on a group of people.





I concur.  They believe that they are doomed and incapable of helping themselves out of a mess without a hand out..  It's sad, really.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Herbologist]
    #23686355 - 09/28/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why do you think black poverty rates are so much higher than other groups in this country


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 2
    #23686404 - 09/28/16 12:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We paid out money to the families of victims of 9/11 because it is understood that lost wealth is detrimental to the family members left behind. Why is it a stretch to say the families of people who were deprived of any ability to even have wealth aren't affected in a similar way?




Because everyone needs help, that's why half of America is here.
I'm for projects which can aid in the welfare of all poor people and don't see why anyone needs special attention. Mexicans, Colombians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Polish, and Ukranians have problems too. We arrived here with nothing.


I'm all for aiding American victims of catastrophes, 9/11, Katrina, whatever else.
That's an immediate violent occurrence though, former slaves are just another group of refugees.




So you don't see any connection between the extreme rates of poverty for black people compared to other groups and the fact that they are the only group that was subject to unrelenting legally sanctioned (and often times, mandated) discrimination and disenfranchisement from the beginning of this country up until about 40 years ago?





We arrived here with nothing 30 years ago
Running from a beautiful country ravaged by an American war

My family worked hard climbing out of the ghetto, so I grew up impoverished but with a decent education.
The next generation will have more, because we are working on building an inheritance for them.
As well as a community, helping friends when possible, building our wealth as a whole.

That's how I see America, a land of refugees.

Everyone has to do their part, I don't see why one group should be given preference because they have failed miserably to build a community here, and instead flaunt a lazy culture with no values or pride (read: pride not entitlement).


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23686616 - 09/28/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Arriving here with Nothing is significantly better than being born in a ghetto.

You don't see why one group should get special attention? Why not? They've been getting special attention since the beginning of this country, and it hasn't been the good kind of attention.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23686664 - 09/28/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Some people suggest that blacks owe reparations to the taxpayer for decades of non productivity, criminal acts, and free public assistance.




:rofl:  Win!

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Do you think that black people are far more likely to live in poverty because they are stupid or lazy?




What a racist thing to say.  That could apply to anyone.  However....


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Kenetic]
    #23686676 - 09/28/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't you just give the reparations to the actual slaves instead of giving out yet another handout.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 1
    #23686680 - 09/28/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Arriving here with Nothing is significantly better than being born in a ghetto.




I don't see any reason to believe that
Shit I grew up in the ghetto in Miami, there were dog fights and gangs in elementary school
Since I had no food at home and wasn't deemed ethnic enough for handouts, I used to subsist on stealing food from school

If this is a contest of who's poverty runs deeper, it doesn't get any deeper than a child's stomach running empty for days and weeks at a time.

Black Americans look as fat to me as everyone else, I don't see real hunger and suffering in that quarter, just laziness, excuses and handouts.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23686702 - 09/28/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Arriving here with Nothing is significantly better than being born in a ghetto.




How on earth is that? If you have nothing you're lucky to get into a ghetto with running water and electricity, the alternative is sleeping on the concrete or down by the river.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: TNK]
    #23686719 - 09/28/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Because "arriving with nothing" isn't really arriving with nothing.  It's arriving with a culture and a history.  Most people who arrive here have far more advantageous cultures and history than most African Americans have.  That's the real disadvantage that we're talking about.

The dirt poor in America can rise above that disadvantage.  I did.  I know a lot of people who have.  Rising above a cultural disadvantage that trains one from birth to accept poverty is a whole other matter, though.  I don't see any reason that we, as a nation, can't help overcome that cultural disadvantage.

Of course, the next question is, "why should we?"  There are a lot of good answers for that, but IMO, the best answer is simple:  Because it has the effect of reducing crime, increasing the tax base, and making our society stronger.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23686731 - 09/28/16 01:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What does culture have to do with someone who came from another country?

They can have any culture they want and still have nothing. Just sounds like you're implying that black people have no culture and/or their culture is one that can't help themselves.

If the dirt poor can rise above, than the rest can as well.

Your post is contradicting.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Herbologist]
    #23686745 - 09/28/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It has everything to do with it.  Culture is a huge part of what makes humans do what they do.  If you're raised in a culture of poverty and hopelessness, how do you suddenly change the way you think and start planning for success?  It's not impossible, but it's very, very hard, and the vast majority will fail at it.  Those that fail become a part of societal problems like crime, welfare, etc.

On the other hand, if you come to America penniless, but with cultural values that encourage success, you're going to have an advantage over most African Americans...even ones that have some money already.

All I'm saying is that there is a societal benefit to helping overcome the culture of poverty and it's a benefit worth investing in.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23686816 - 09/28/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So just for clarification, a immigrant from Africa today with nothing to his name has has a better opportunity than an African american that's here already? Even If they had to move into American ghettos?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: TNK]
    #23686842 - 09/28/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think that is definitely the case. Entrenched poverty is much harder to escape than starting off new.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #23686843 - 09/28/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Because "arriving with nothing" isn't really arriving with nothing.  It's arriving with a culture and a history.  Most people who arrive here have far more advantageous cultures and history than most African Americans have.  That's the real disadvantage that we're talking about.

The dirt poor in America can rise above that disadvantage.  I did.  I know a lot of people who have.  Rising above a cultural disadvantage that trains one from birth to accept poverty is a whole other matter, though.  I don't see any reason that we, as a nation, can't help overcome that cultural disadvantage.

Of course, the next question is, "why should we?"  There are a lot of good answers for that, but IMO, the best answer is simple:  Because it has the effect of reducing crime, increasing the tax base, and making our society stronger.





The only way for a community to grow, is from the active participation of its members. I'm sure there are ways the government can help, but black America needs to shift its perspective and take responsibility for itself.

It would be great if they would get that over with in one decade or another, they had role models from the 30s up until now, segregation ended, everyone came together on ending it. Black America has a culture and a history filled with great hard working men.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23686849 - 09/28/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

regardless of all that, Enlil has a point, in principal.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23686857 - 09/28/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I think that is definitely the case. Entrenched poverty is much harder to escape than starting off new.




Then why not solve the issue by state sponsored moving programs, target certain groups of people and offer them opportunities to move elsewhere?

If the issue is entrenched poverty than the solution is to offer a way out of the poverty since everyone seems against handouts.

Diversify the nation and shit. There are jobs and other avenues of income a valuable across the county the issue is none of it's available to people trapped in inner city poverty.


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