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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Astral Pain] * 3
    #23685804 - 09/28/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Plenty of other people were slaves or treated little better than livestock. Including many American people. Should the Jews get money from Egypt? Should Japanese Americans also get reparations for being put in concentration camps? Should native Americans get reservations in places outside of the shitholes the English wouldn't settle?


They need to get over themselves. Slavery may be the foundation for alot of their problems but it is not their current problems. They should focus on things like education and living spaces / communities. Handing them paychecks isn't going to fix a goddamn thing and anyone who thinks so is an idiot.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 1
    #23685807 - 09/28/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What?

We're talking about slavery, about the oppression of people hundreds of years ago

I want to know, if my family has one slave in the family tree, is my supposed present day struggle the same as another with more slaves in the family tree?




Look at it as inheritance of the wealth that a slave would have passed down to his/her descendants had they been able to benefit from the fruits of their labor, as opposed to their owner benefiting from it. Are you really going to deny that the inheritance of wealth is not a significant advantage to subsequent generations.




If you follow your line of reasoning, wouldn't Wal-Mart workers have the same grievance?  The "fruits of their labor" went to the Walton's and they can't pass it on to their offspring.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23685812 - 09/28/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So, you think that not rewarding people for having children is a punishment?  Wow, that's some sense of entitlement you have, dude.




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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 1
    #23685818 - 09/28/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My ancestors were enslaved in Europe, where is the U.N. on this issue?  Where's my reparations?




I would take that up with the country you are pretending enslaved your ancestors.




Shouldn't the U.N. be looking out for me since I'm too incompetent to do it myself?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: qman] * 1
    #23685828 - 09/28/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My ancestors were enslaved in Europe, where is the U.N. on this issue?  Where's my reparations?




Really, my family was oppressed and had to flee Russia decades ago, can I get some free stuff?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23685840 - 09/28/16 08:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So, you think that not rewarding people for having children is a punishment?  Wow, that's some sense of entitlement you have, dude.




I like to call it diversity



Hypocrisy is a better word.  You think that the government should literally pay you to have kids, but people who have been economically disadvantaged by government policies shouldn't get some help leveling the playing field.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23685968 - 09/28/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I actually don't believe handing out money will solve anything. What needs to be done to recognize that the cycle of poverty that is rooted in the nearly total disenfranchisement of black people in the antebellum period is very hard to break without help.

I don't really know how to address such an entrenched problem. One idea could be to allow the decendants of slaves to attend college for free. It is almost impossible for someone coming out of total poverty to get the kind of education that will lift them and their families out of their situation.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 1
    #23685993 - 09/28/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I actually don't believe handing out money will solve anything. What needs to be done to recognize that the cycle of poverty that is rooted in the nearly total disenfranchisement of black people in the antebellum period is very hard to break without help.

I don't really know how to address such an entrenched problem. One idea could be to allow the decendants of slaves to attend college for free. It is almost impossible for someone coming out of total poverty to get the kind of education that will lift them and their families out of their situation.




Is anyone being denied access to education in the US today?  No, so what is this "impossible" hurdle?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: stzacrack]
    #23685999 - 09/28/16 09:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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My ancestors were enslaved in Europe, where is the U.N. on this issue?  Where's my reparations?




Really, my family was oppressed and had to flee Russia decades ago, can I get some free stuff?



Take it up with Russia. We're talking about what happened in the United States.

I would point out someone's ancestors were deprived of their property in many places in Europe during the Second World War, their decendants can sue to have that property returned to their family. The idea of reparations has plenty of legal precedent.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: qman]
    #23686001 - 09/28/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I actually don't believe handing out money will solve anything. What needs to be done to recognize that the cycle of poverty that is rooted in the nearly total disenfranchisement of black people in the antebellum period is very hard to break without help.

I don't really know how to address such an entrenched problem. One idea could be to allow the decendants of slaves to attend college for free. It is almost impossible for someone coming out of total poverty to get the kind of education that will lift them and their families out of their situation.




Is anyone being denied access to education in the US today?  No, so what is this "impossible" hurdle?


Are you being serious? Do you know how much college costs?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 1
    #23686034 - 09/28/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
I actually don't believe handing out money will solve anything. What needs to be done to recognize that the cycle of poverty that is rooted in the nearly total disenfranchisement of black people in the antebellum period is very hard to break without help.

I don't really know how to address such an entrenched problem. One idea could be to allow the decendants of slaves to attend college for free. It is almost impossible for someone coming out of total poverty to get the kind of education that will lift them and their families out of their situation.




Is anyone being denied access to education in the US today?  No, so what is this "impossible" hurdle?


Are you being serious? Do you know how much college costs?




Yes, so how did my two nieces get access to financial aid for pay for their tuition and board?  Their parents didn't have the money to pay for it, what makes their situation any different than what you're crying about?

The older one is now borrowing money for graduate school, so are ALL of her white friends.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23686047 - 09/28/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)


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So, you think that not rewarding people for having children is a punishment?  Wow, that's some sense of entitlement you have, dude.




I like to call it diversity



Hypocrisy is a better word.  You think that the government should literally pay you to have kids, but people who have been economically disadvantaged by government policies shouldn't get some help leveling the playing field.





I'm not the one that's advocating cutting off child tax credits, no clue where you
get the hypocrisy shit from, I am economically disadvantaged. you must be one of
those liberals that believe all white people are as wealthy as you Mr.1%


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23686051 - 09/28/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I actually don't believe handing out money will solve anything.





do you believe the education system is failing because we arent budgeting enough money for it?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: qman]
    #23686053 - 09/28/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's good for them. But this isn't about them, just as the enslavement of their ancestors is not about them.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23686054 - 09/28/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Then don't have kids:shrug:

That is, after all, a choice.  Descendants of slaves didn't choose to be born at a disadvantage.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23686062 - 09/28/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
I actually don't believe handing out money will solve anything. What needs to be done to recognize that the cycle of poverty that is rooted in the nearly total disenfranchisement of black people in the antebellum period is very hard to break without help.

I don't really know how to address such an entrenched problem. One idea could be to allow the decendants of slaves to attend college for free. It is almost impossible for someone coming out of total poverty to get the kind of education that will lift them and their families out of their situation.




Is anyone being denied access to education in the US today?  No, so what is this "impossible" hurdle?


Are you being serious? Do you know how much college costs?





I'm being denied access to a McMansion and new Mercedes E Class every 3 years


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23686066 - 09/28/16 10:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Then don't have kids:shrug:

That is, after all, a choice.  Descendants of slaves didn't choose to be born at a disadvantage.




did I choose to be born at a disadvantage?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23686072 - 09/28/16 10:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What disadvantage were you born with?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #23686088 - 09/28/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can't believe this is even a discussion.  Nobody is holding anyone down.  It's not like people in ghetto's dont have school.

They could put their nose down, finish school, get a job and get out of the hood for good.  Nobody is stopping them.  Descendants of slaves aren't owed shit.  Because that's exactly what they are, descendants.  They were never involved and never will be.  Their parents never chose to rise up from the ashes of the ghettos, that is THEIR own fault.  Not mine, not the US, or anyone else.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23686090 - 09/28/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The ADA addresses those


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