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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23694392 - 09/30/16 03:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Given that, reparations might actually make some people's poverty situations temporarily worse when there is reduced incentive to go to college or work because of the money received.



Wow, that sounds incredibly condescending. Maybe we should take money away from rich people because of the reduced incentive to go to college or work.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] * 1
    #23694401 - 09/30/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, so you only invoke that phrase when it's convenient for your argument. I see.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
    #23694426 - 09/30/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not against taxation. So yeah, let's do it.

Honestly, it's not condescending at all. You can warp it however you'd like. If we gave any group in the country a livable allowance monthly, fewer people would work or go to school. If we gave people a large sum of money all at once, it would be spent haphazardly a lot of the time.

Handing people straight money is completely counterproductive to rising a population out of poverty. There are much better ways to go about it.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Capers]
    #23694838 - 09/30/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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But how would the descendants of slaves prove it? I wouldn't want to see someone descended from a slave owner receive reparations for slavery. What if someone is descended from both slaves and slave owners? Would the descendants of American Indian slaves be eligible? How about the descendants of white indentured servants?



It wouldn't be impossible to prove, and yes, it would apply to all slaves in the U.S. regardless of color, and all descendants thereof, regardless of whether they also have slave owner blood in them.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23694927 - 09/30/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It wouldn't be impossible to prove




Should be easy, if they've been in the country that long there'll be records for sure


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23694934 - 09/30/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yup, and we're only talking about a few generations.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23694943 - 09/30/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I remember I asked you if you were black once and you gave me a total lawyer non-answer.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23694960 - 09/30/16 06:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It wouldn't be impossible to prove, and yes, it would apply to all slaves in the U.S. regardless of color, and all descendants thereof, regardless of whether they also have slave owner blood in them.




Okay, that seems reasonable. But how to deal with the issue of envy? Many African-Americans who fail to prove slave ancestry would be enraged. American Indians might be outraged too, but of course, they don't have much of a voice in this country.

And, should descendants of indentured servants receive reparations?

While we're on the subject of righting wrongs of the past, where do we stop? Should we return the southwestern United States to Mexico? Should we compensate families who suffered from lynchings? From witch trials? I understand that you're chiefly concerned with improving society, but ethics must play a role in your viewpoint too, I presume.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Capers] * 2
    #23694968 - 09/30/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Personally, I think we should start pillaging other countries more directly and demand tribute

Kind of the opposite of reparations


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23694974 - 09/30/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That makes more sense to me too, but this is 2016, and you have to be a total pussy to get by in polite society.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Capers]
    #23694975 - 09/30/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Who's talking about righting wrongs?  Certainly, not me.

I'm talking about creating an environment more conducive to fostering success in the African American communities, thereby reducing huge societal problems associated with poverty and the ghetto mentality.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23694980 - 09/30/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How come you never answer yes of no questions with a simple yes or a no?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23694992 - 09/30/16 06:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

But if it's all about improving society, as opposed to righting wrongs, shouldn't all African-Americans get reparations, as well as American Indians? Wouldn't that improve society more effectively from your viewpoint? Why is it limited to descendants of slaves?


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Capers]
    #23695033 - 09/30/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That'd be one way to do it, but I don't see how that would be Constitutional.  I'm just trying to come up with a way to level the playing field for the disadvantaged without violating the Constitution.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23695041 - 09/30/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm just trying to come up with a way to level the playing field for the disadvantaged without violating the Constitution.




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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Great Scott]
    #23695042 - 09/30/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How come you never answer yes of no questions with a simple yes or a no?



Just because a question is formulated as a yes or no question, that doesn't mean that either of those would be an accurate answer.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23695051 - 09/30/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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How come you never answer yes of no questions with a simple yes or a no?



Just because a question is formulated as a yes or no question, that doesn't mean that either of those would be an accurate answer.




I asked you if you were black once and you couldn't even answer yes or no. I think you said something like "what would it matter if I'm black or not?"


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Great Scott]
    #23695093 - 09/30/16 07:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I hate to break it to you, but sometimes the answer to a question isn't any of your business.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23695132 - 09/30/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Its true tho, it wouldnt matter if hes black or not. There are so many irrelevancies with how we see other humans such as skin color or cultural background.


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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
    #23695174 - 09/30/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I hate to break it to you, but sometimes the answer to a question isn't any of your business.




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