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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23691800 - 09/29/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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People care. It might be the problem that people care too much in an opposing nature.
America didn't want to be inclusive as much as exclusive.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Astral Pain]
#23692380 - 09/29/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Spanish colonialism wasn't nearly as bad as british colonialism. Spain used borders of inclusion to integrate with the indigenous people whereas british borders of exclusion basically just stole the land and kicked the natives off of it.
I couldn't agree more. My studies of both British and Spanish colonialism portrays a tale exactly as you describe. The Spanish (Catholics) wanted to convert and absorb as many people as they could into their sect; whereas the British (Protestants) desired the land and its resources above all else.
History shows while both the Spanish and British/Americans were brutally savage, the Spanish put more effort into conversion / taking prisoners, whereas the British/Americans were often inclined to shoot first and ask questions later.
The evidence is apparent when you compare post British/American colonial nations to that of the Spanish. The majority of the South American population remains indigenous whereas that of North America is obviously primarily Caucasian.
Anyways, I have to leave for work soon. Best of luck to you all in furthering this conversation.

Most of what people believe about the Spanish conquest and the Spanish Inquisition, is literally English propaganda. Neither compare to say, the war on drugs, or English colonialism in America or India.
Spain did forcefully convert my ancestor and ship my them to S.America, not really much to bitch about.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Repertoire89]
#23692416 - 09/29/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quick throw me a hand out I'm Irish. I have a great grandpa that still lives there too.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Astral Pain]
#23693094 - 09/30/16 06:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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deliverance said: often times the diseases were either purposefully inflicted, or were a direct result of American intervention; i.e. forcing the tribes into various circumstances which increased their likelihood of getting infected/dying from said disease.
As far as the "purposefully inflicted" argument, that's largely a myth. As to your latter point, of course it's the product of western intervention, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was the intended effect. People didn't understand disease at that time like we do today.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
#23693116 - 09/30/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Deathby69]
#23693233 - 09/30/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fucking classic my friend. I love Monty Python <3 The life of Brian is a favorite of mine<3
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
#23693260 - 09/30/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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deliverance said: often times the diseases were either purposefully inflicted, or were a direct result of American intervention; i.e. forcing the tribes into various circumstances which increased their likelihood of getting infected/dying from said disease.
As far as the "purposefully inflicted" argument, that's largely a myth. As to your latter point, of course it's the product of western intervention, but that doesn't necessarily meant that it was the intended effect. People didn't understand disease at that time like we do today.
Word I second that notion. They have discredited a bunch of the fabricated stories that Churchill claims to have witnessed. The myth that early settlers gave the natives smallpox infested blankets on purpose is just one that comes to mind.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Rhizomorpheus]
#23693334 - 09/30/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Yage]
#23693351 - 09/30/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Rhizomorpheus]
#23693368 - 09/30/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Western Civilization, and the US in particular, is an oppressive regime that needs to be stopped. It's a detriment to humanity. We should return these peaceful nations to continue their honest, law-abiding ways...without the vile, racist ways of the white man. youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DmN410FIbcfg&has_verified=1
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods] 2
#23693742 - 09/30/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Life isn't fair.
You just hit the nail on the head. Life isn't fair and that's what millenials and academics need to come to grips with. The government can't go around kissing everyone's boo-boos. Part of life is learning to take your lumps, and stand back up on your own feet, not crying to mommy about it.
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koods said: I think a migrant worker type program for innercity residents would help. Take them out of the city environment. Give them jobs working on farms. Essentially get them to do the jobs that illegals do now. Let them save up the money. Give them a work ethic."
That does sound kind of nice, except no one from the innercity would ever do it. I used to run a community garden in a predominately black area. Most of them won't even walk through a garden for fear of encountering a snake. How are they gonna wake up and shovel shit at 4 am?
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koods said: "Why do you think black poverty rates are so much higher than other groups in this country"
The poverty rate of American Indians is even higher. But you don't care about them, do you?
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Enlil]
#23693748 - 09/30/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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But how would the descendants of slaves prove it? I wouldn't want to see someone descended from a slave owner receive reparations for slavery. What if someone is descended from both slaves and slave owners? Would the descendants of American Indian slaves be eligible? How about the descendants of white indentured servants?
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Crystal G]
#23693876 - 09/30/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Aren't there programs for native Americans though, where if you can prove you're 25-50% Native, you get like discounted housing or free tuition and things like that? Even discounted vehicles and things of that nature.
do any of these things actually take people from poverty?
let's look at the reality of those discounted vehicles, they're government vehicles being pulled from service and auctioned, it's not simply offered to the indians, it's auctioned off to the highest bidder and in many cases there are hundreds of bids on each vehicle because these auctions are open to the public, the public being everyone as long as they qualify as a purchaser which includes putting money in escrow for 90 days, typically that's around $1000. how many people living in poverty can afford to surrender a month's pay for 90 days
some colleges offer in state tuition for indians, most do not, there are government aid programs, scholarships and other shit available but it's no different than with any other student and only a few colleges offer a tuition waiver for students residing in the state the colleges are located and some only cover the cost of boarding on campus
as for discounted housing off the reservations, it's called section 8, there's a waiting list and it's often 2-3 years of wait time before you're given a place, exceptions that speed things along are if you find a place where the lessor will accept a section 8 tenant
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23693886 - 09/30/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Given that, reparations might actually make some people's poverty situations temporarily worse when there is reduced incentive to go to college or work because of the money received.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: PatrickKn]
#23693947 - 09/30/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you're saying it could be just like welfare which is a means of keeping impoverished black in poverty because it removes the incentives to work and get an education since they have the fall back of a government entitlement
alternately, they could be killed because they got slave money and someone else didnt, they could be killed after buying a fuckton of drugs to flip that they didnt want to get caught with so they shoot at the cops while screaming "I know my rights"
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23694063 - 09/30/16 01:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: so you're saying it could be just like welfare which is a means of keeping impoverished black in poverty because it removes the incentives to work and get an education since they have the fall back of a government entitlement
alternately, they could be killed because they got slave money and someone else didnt, they could be killed after buying a fuckton of drugs to flip that they didnt want to get caught with so they shoot at the cops while screaming "I know my rights"
You got a bit ranty there, but yeah. Basically what I'm saying. 
I do like the comparison to Native American settlements though. It does put the idea of reparations in a negative light. There is no way any good could come if it. It's an artificial fix to an artificial problem.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: PatrickKn] 3
#23694202 - 09/30/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think it's racist of the UN to only recognize the blacks and exclude the indians, the chinese and the irish, they were all slaves in the US and all of them had suffered for many decades after the end of slavery yet the UN only recognizes the blacks because they're the squeaky hinge, therefore the UN is racist and in support of diversity and equality we need to stop supplying troops and funds to the UN
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Capers]
#23694371 - 09/30/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: Life isn't fair.
You just hit the nail on the head. Life isn't fair and that's what millenials and academics need to come to grips with. The government can't go around kissing everyone's boo-boos. Part of life is learning to take your lumps, and stand back up on your own feet, not crying to mommy about it.
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Well then we'll just take some of your money and give it black people. And when you complain, you get the same advice.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23694379 - 09/30/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: I think it's racist of the UN to only recognize the blacks and exclude the indians, the chinese and the irish, they were all slaves in the US
Only black people were relegated to legal slavery. That is the difference. At the time slavery ended, 85% of black people in the US were slaves.
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Re: U.S. owes black people reparations for a history of ‘racial terrorism’ [Re: koods]
#23694383 - 09/30/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bitching is bitchng
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