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Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting?
#23684450 - 09/27/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi guys,
I am doing san pedro extraction like this: https://erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml
Most guides say to start slow with the heat and bring up to a boil, but does anyone have experience with turning up the heat to medium/high or so to get the boil going at first? Would this ruin it? I still plan on simmering/low boil for 5 hours or so after bringing it to a boil initially.
This thread seems to say that high heat is no problem for the mescaline, but I am looking for more opinions:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17387823
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: dr.alkaline]
#23684481 - 09/27/16 08:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mescaline is so resilient, it can take high heat for sure the indiginous tribes wwould boil it hardcore ina couldron for like 8 hours
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23684508 - 09/27/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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connectedcosmos said: Mescaline is so resilient, it can take high heat for sure the indiginous tribes wwould boil it hardcore ina couldron for like 8 hours
Thats kind of what I am thinking too. Have you boiled it on high heat before?
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: dr.alkaline]
#23684516 - 09/27/16 08:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No i make isopropyl tar extracts
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: dr.alkaline]
#23684521 - 09/27/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ime it does tend to taste like burnt cactus if boiled too high too fast, or if u don't stir during the simmering.
I've done low boils for up to 4 hours and still got a strong trip from it, then again u also have to take the potency of the cactus into account.
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23684522 - 09/27/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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But your good, i wouldnt worry look up the boilin or melting point of mescaline its like 700 plus degrees , plus the natives used to do it all the time im posotive you wil be good, what specie is the cactus? I use bridgesii
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23684527 - 09/27/16 08:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats what truley matters because the potency is so highly variable you really dont know till you try and dose..
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: connectedcosmos]
#23684586 - 09/27/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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connectedcosmos said: But your good, i wouldnt worry look up the boilin or melting point of mescaline its like 700 plus degrees , plus the natives used to do it all the time im posotive you wil be good, what specie is the cactus? I use bridgesii
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: zZZz]
#23684590 - 09/27/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Ime it does tend to taste like burnt cactus if boiled too high too fast, or if u don't stir during the simmering.
I've done low boils for up to 4 hours and still got a strong trip from it, then again u also have to take the potency of the cactus into account.
I stirred quite a bit and took care not to let it boil over or get out of control. I am actually working on it right now. It def reached a medium to high boil originally before I turned it down to a simmer though. I dont think I burnt anything.
Edited by dr.alkaline (09/27/16 09:08 PM)
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: dr.alkaline]
#23684597 - 09/27/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have boiled at high heat when I was in a hurry and it worked fine.
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23685168 - 09/28/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No problem with heat. I boiled cactus for 12++ hours on high heat and also reduced the liquid down to tar by full-boil. Always came up with material of expected potency, so no significant potency-loss in the way that I had to eat/drink two or three times the expected ammount.
I think this "start heating slowly" is all about avoiding foam.  Boiling cactus gets very foamy, especially in the very first half hour of boiling. The first times I boiled cactus it raged and overboiled quickly because of too much foam, so when you heat it up slowly there's less foam to interrupt your work.
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Re: Boiling san pedro on a higher heat setting? [Re: Pandemoon]
#23685243 - 09/28/16 02:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's been a while since I've boiled cactus, soon hopefully, but ure right about the foaming.
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