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Oregonic



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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: bodhisatta]
#23683955 - 09/27/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:


I would maximize plain CVG with no casing before trying all sorts of other needless stuff. Besides it keeps it as simple, easy, quick, and cheap as possible.
I wouldn't consider myself a total noob but I don't feel I've maximized CVG quite yet.
However I've got this fully colonized PE tub.
Should I bother to case it with the whole casing-layer-reduces-blobs theory? Never cased before, I clicked this thread because I was wondering the same thing regarding casing material, just using bucket tek'd CVG.
Should I just fuckin' wing it? I really didn't plan on casing anything any time soon but I'm second guessing now.
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NumeroEno
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: Oregonic]
#23683980 - 09/27/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's definitely a good thing to know, and if you live in a dry climate like me it's more or less mandatory. If your spawn was clean you probably won't have any trouble so I say go for it.
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: Oregonic]
#23684682 - 09/27/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:


I would maximize plain CVG with no casing before trying all sorts of other needless stuff. Besides it keeps it as simple, easy, quick, and cheap as possible.
What do you mean by "maximize" CVG?
Using a good culture? Spawn ratios? Increasing FAE exchanged as you detailed in the other thread?
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bodhisatta said: Should I just fuckin' wing it? I really didn't plan on casing anything any time soon but I'm second guessing now.
I vote to case it.
I've been trying some uncased vs. cased tubs lately and I think it's worth it to case. I've had fewer aborts and mutations after casing and slightly better yields.
Casing may increase yields and it certainly won't hurt them.
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NumeroEno
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: Bikerfool]
#23684693 - 09/27/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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IMO the biggest benefit to casing is moisture retention. It makes a huge difference in the desert where I live. Out here, uncased substrates are prone to drying out and serious side pinning. The way I'm doing it, in a humidified grow room, I don't even have to put anything in the holes of my tubs if I use a casing layer.
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Oregonic



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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: NumeroEno]
#23684808 - 09/27/16 10:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys.
I think I'll give it a wack.
But to verify the basis of this thread - totally cool to use bucket tek'd CVG for casing layer? Or should there be equal parts verm/coir?
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NumeroEno
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: Oregonic]
#23684931 - 09/27/16 11:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oregonic said: Thanks guys.
I think I'll give it a wack.
But to verify the basis of this thread - totally cool to use bucket tek'd CVG for casing layer? Or should there be equal parts verm/coir?
Yep. You can use cvg, straight coir, or straight verm. All perfectly fine.
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filthyknees
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: Bikerfool]
#23685556 - 09/28/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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When casing I use only bucket tek coir/Verm, two large two-hand fills of coir/Vern are kept in the bucket when mixing the sub/spawn
After I level my sub I dump the rest on and smooth it out, boom, casing, then I introduce fruiting conditions and let it ride....
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NumeroEno
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: filthyknees]
#23685710 - 09/28/16 08:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just cased a couple tubs and immediately put them into fruiting. I've always let the casing partially colonize the substrate first but I'm interested to see how this works.
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spacechildo
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: NumeroEno]
#23685811 - 09/28/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never let my coir casings colonize before fruiting, they get overrun way faster than peat based casing layers does.
cold water cvg is great as a casing layer, myc doesnt wanna colonize it as easily.
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NumeroEno
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: spacechildo]
#23685825 - 09/28/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I used untreated peat/verm. I accidentally added too much water so there's more verm that peat. Been experimenting with untreated casing and the first 2 I did are looking good. I hope they don't trich out, but the first two I did have been growing for over a week and look fine. One of them has some really fat clusters popping through. I don't use coir at all anymore because there are no pet stores nearby and it's expensive compared to peat moss. Horse manure is free, and a 6 cubic foot bale of peat moss costs the same as a 3 pack of coir bricks. Not that any of it is really expensive but I still like cutting costs. Next tubs I do I'm going to try substituting verm with straw.
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spacechildo
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: NumeroEno]
#23685829 - 09/28/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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whoa, unpasteurized peat casings no lime either? hope you got your FAE dialed in good!
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: spacechildo]
#23685846 - 09/28/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd rather not find a culture that needs a casing to do well, clone from MS uncased, fruit the clone uncased. Why give yourself a hassle. If you already do agar work get yourself something that performs uncased
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spacechildo
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: bodhisatta]
#23685860 - 09/28/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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in such a dry climate as we have here a simple cvg casing layer lets me blast way more fae in the tubs than I can do uncased. casing a tub takes 30sec tops. its not a hassle at all IMO
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: spacechildo]
#23685896 - 09/28/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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My winters my indoor RH is always around 30 or so.
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NumeroEno
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Re: Bucket Tek for the Casing Layer [Re: spacechildo]
#23686316 - 09/28/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: whoa, unpasteurized peat casings no lime either? hope you got your FAE dialed in good!
Pretty much open air fruiting. Well, monotubs with open holes anyway. I might try doing some open air trays in my grow room.
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