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DinkinFlicka84
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WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye.
#23682897 - 09/27/16 11:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry. I was doing multiple things and forgot to post the pics. Jebus.
The last batch was very fluffy mycelium and these had the individual seeds that looked wet on the side pressed against the jar. You can see what I'm talking about somewhat in the 1st pic, jar on right. Where the seed itself is not completely colonized. It's about 90%. I opened one that was "fully colonized" but still had the seeds like that and I only smelled that mushroom smell, I guess. It didn't smell sour or sweet or anything obviously off, but maybe my paranoia is effecting my resistance to accept that the jar is fine.
Please look closely because I've grown countless times and dealt with many contams, but my last batch seemed fine and fluffy, so I haven't dealt with contams much in over a year.
These were all G2G Amazonian, which about 3/30 so far have got el Diablo verde.
Edited by DinkinFlicka84 (09/27/16 11:57 AM)
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
#23682926 - 09/27/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You gotta copy and paste the link to get the pictures to show up here
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: bodhisatta]
#23682940 - 09/27/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Maybe this one is what you're talking about, looks like the grains were to wet. I personally wouldn't bother using that jar.
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: bodhisatta]
#23682954 - 09/27/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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At first glance I thought the jar had "Thot Fluid" written on it... Lol
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: Thedenthead]
#23682959 - 09/27/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Haha yea.
Sometimes the mycelium does that spikey "lesbian haircut" on each grain. Often times if the grain is too wet or if there's contamination. That appearance could also be characterized as looking like the mycelium is not connecting between grains.
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DinkinFlicka84
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: bodhisatta]
#23683045 - 09/27/16 12:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Got the pics up now. I hope they're not too wet. I've been going back and forth with drying them on towels to leaving them in the strainer for an hours after shaking for 30 seconds to get the moisture out. I would like to know how to "dry" them after the strainer. I feel like the grain in the middle stay pretty wet and never get a chance to dry out enough, BUT these WBS were not wet on the outside a couple days after being PC'd. They were almost rattling, but nice and fat from being hydrated. They were finally "perfect" in my eyes.
Also, I realize the PC will help the excess water to reabsorb in the grain, which is how they were in this batch with the pics.
So, if I see a little wet spot on them (even though that spot was NOT there before G2G), or a tiny spot on individual seeds/grain, that's proof of contamination/over wetness?
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DinkinFlicka84
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
#23683581 - 09/27/16 03:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for all your answers guys. Still, the grain has those little spots where the mycelium didn't colonize. What is that? I'm used to a fully white fluffy jar where the mycelium is covering all of the seed. I was hoping someone has or has had the same odd pattern of mycelial growth to tell me from experience if these jars are good.
I wish a TC would comment. I've been doing this long enough to know when a jar looks off and not just obviously contaminteed. I just have 25 jars like these and don't want to waste the hours/$ spent mixing bulk/PC.
Any veteran's willing to comment? I'm no newb, but I've dealt with so much contamination on the road learning from mistakes. I don't want to make another big mistake and waste all the jars, PC time, buying supplies and cleaning WBS & mixing bulk.
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
#23683604 - 09/27/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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they look fine IMO
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: blindingleaf]
#23683628 - 09/27/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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they look fine IMO
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they look fine IMO
Awesome. Thanks, Leaf. I appreciate you commenting. So each seed that has the spot against the glass that's not covered in myc isn't a sign of contam? Ok. My last batch were beautiful with the entire side of glass was basically solid white and fluffy.
Have you had jars like above or are they no different than other colonizing/colonized jars? Can I shake/check a jar for contams and it not show any obvious signs of contams, but still be contaminated?
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: blindingleaf]
#23683996 - 09/27/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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they look fine IMO
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DinkinFlicka84
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: blindingleaf]
#23730089 - 10/12/16 01:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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they look fine IMO
I should've only posted the bottom pics of the "fully" colonized jars. It shows that even at fully colonization, the individual seeds aren't fully covered in myc. Shouldn't the myc be thick enough to where you don't see the seeds anymore?
Does trich need oxygen to show? I say this because 12 of the spawned monos now have trych. Widespread, giant spots.
I smelled every jar before I spawned and they either smelled like mushroom or musty (old) mushroom. Nothing sweet, sour, moldy, diry... I smelled them before & after I broke them up, too. Any ideas on how this happened?
I guess sticking to syringes, spore prints or LC's is the safest way to knock up jars. I liked G2G b/c it worked and it's quicker. But the jar I used looked just like the ones above on the bottom. I'll try again with even more caution than I normally do.
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
#23730204 - 10/12/16 04:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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weird man. all I can say is if those were my jars, I would have used them too, they really don't look off to me,even looking at them now.
I dunno how it happened. mold can be sneaky. sneaky mold in a G1 is a nightmare if u expand a lot
if ur having more problems than successes, agar is a must.
the biggest cause of mold for me personally is grain jar filters that are spent (but they don't appear to be), so maybe reconsider or re-do ur jar filters.
mold on SFD

mold on cellulose
 
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: blindingleaf]
#23732144 - 10/12/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: weird man. all I can say is if those were my jars, I would have used them too, they really don't look off to me,even looking at them now.
I dunno how it happened. mold can be sneaky. sneaky mold in a G1 is a nightmare if u expand a lot
if ur having more problems than successes, agar is a must.
the biggest cause of mold for me personally is grain jar filters that are spent (but they don't appear to be), so maybe reconsider or re-do ur jar filters.
mold on SFD

mold on cellulose
  
I was reading about eco-earth and how it can cause contams, so I'll try using a better brand. I'm going to go with doing a lot less jars and see if my techniqeu is failing due to over production. Thanks again for the help.
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
#23732148 - 10/12/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said: why did you make a 2nd thread for this?
leaf gave you the answer here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23682897
And he starts a 3rd  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23730375#23730375
Other than the title, it's obviously a different thread that others will find when they search specific questions about contams. I changed the title to more reflect the post. The questions are specifically about how to determine if jars are bad.
Can't understand the "tattle-tale" mentality here. I spent a lot of time and money on almost 50 jars, 22 monos, not to mention agar work in between. Empathy is a good quality to have, but not everyone is taught the right way. Blindingleaf was very helpful and I appreciate anyone who replies with advice.
Thanks to everyone. Praise be to Allah!
Look, you obviously just don't get it. Perhaps growing mushrooms isn't for you. Seriously. You obviously are relying on being spoonfed information and can't be bothered to learn the first thing about grain spawn.
I did some digging, because I thought I recalled you asking this more than just these 3 threads. I really wasn't prepared for what I found. It seems your entire existence on this site revolves around you not knowing if your WBS is clean or not. For several years now, you have been asking the exact same question.
So, I ask you, either stop growing mushrooms or fucking get it through your thick head what clean spawn looks like. This is just fucking ridiculous.... This isn't even all of them, and none of your comments asking the same fucking thing in other various threads you didn't start.
WBS water spots? Condensation or contamination? 09/28/16
Partially Dried out WBS. Issues? 08/16/16
Bacteria? Or stalled jar? Need experienced opinions... 10/27/15
Same strain, but these 2 100% jars look...different. 10/24/15
Is this jar good to go for G2G? Some grains have water rings... 10/18/15
Is this jar look healthy engouh for G2G? Why/Why not/ 10/14/15
Is this a good enough specimin to attemp G2G for 7/25 jars 10/09/15
RR - Cannot get WBS dry enough to prevent bacteria! Pros Only! Thanks!! 09/25/15
If any of WBS shows on glass, does jar have bacteria? Pics included. 09/16/15
Is this bacteria? Wet spots around grain? 05/24/15
Bacteria in 100% colonized WBS? Need your assistance, Unit 91. 05/24/15
Petri to Grain = Disaster. Advice? 05/22/15
Confirm bacteria in WBS jar? How to prevent? 04/21/15
Detecting bad spawn. Few seeds look dry? Wet? 03/06/15
Determining if I have bad spawn...huge issues I've been perplexed with. 02/15/15
Starting Over with WBS 10/11/14
Do these jars look good enough for a culture? 10/05/14
Do these jars look good enough for a culture? 09/28/14
G2G looking strange, need advice. 08/31/14
If this is bacteria, I'm tossing ALL out! just not 100% sure. 07/30/14
How to tell if I have bad spawn? 07/07/14
your repeated use of RR or Pro's Only is pretty fuckin rich too
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84]
#23732159 - 10/12/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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OP spoon eat Foo mans grain tek and/or quit growing shroomies on wet WBS.
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DinkinFlicka84
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: Munchauzen]
#23732160 - 10/12/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
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DinkinFlicka84 said:
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NDStepp84 said:
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Munchauzen said: why did you make a 2nd thread for this?
leaf gave you the answer here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23682897
And he starts a 3rd  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23730375#23730375
Other than the title, it's obviously a different thread that others will find when they search specific questions about contams. I changed the title to more reflect the post. The questions are specifically about how to determine if jars are bad.
Can't understand the "tattle-tale" mentality here. I spent a lot of time and money on almost 50 jars, 22 monos, not to mention agar work in between. Empathy is a good quality to have, but not everyone is taught the right way. Blindingleaf was very helpful and I appreciate anyone who replies with advice.
Thanks to everyone. Praise be to Allah!
Look, you obviously just don't get it. Perhaps growing mushrooms isn't for you. Seriously. You obviously are relying on being spoonfed information and can't be bothered to learn the first thing about grain spawn.
I did some digging, because I thought I recalled you asking this more than just these 3 threads. I really wasn't prepared for what I found. It seems your entire existence on this site revolves around you not knowing if your WBS is clean or not. For several years now, you have been asking the exact same question.
So, I ask you, either stop growing mushrooms or fucking get it through your thick head what clean spawn looks like. This is just fucking ridiculous.... This isn't even all of them, and none of your comments asking the same fucking thing in other various threads you didn't start.
WBS water spots? Condensation or contamination? 09/28/16
Partially Dried out WBS. Issues? 08/16/16
Bacteria? Or stalled jar? Need experienced opinions... 10/27/15
Same strain, but these 2 100% jars look...different. 10/24/15
Is this jar good to go for G2G? Some grains have water rings... 10/18/15
Is this jar look healthy engouh for G2G? Why/Why not/ 10/14/15
Is this a good enough specimin to attemp G2G for 7/25 jars 10/09/15
RR - Cannot get WBS dry enough to prevent bacteria! Pros Only! Thanks!! 09/25/15
If any of WBS shows on glass, does jar have bacteria? Pics included. 09/16/15
Is this bacteria? Wet spots around grain? 05/24/15
Bacteria in 100% colonized WBS? Need your assistance, Unit 91. 05/24/15
Petri to Grain = Disaster. Advice? 05/22/15
Confirm bacteria in WBS jar? How to prevent? 04/21/15
Detecting bad spawn. Few seeds look dry? Wet? 03/06/15
Determining if I have bad spawn...huge issues I've been perplexed with. 02/15/15
Starting Over with WBS 10/11/14
Do these jars look good enough for a culture? 10/05/14
Do these jars look good enough for a culture? 09/28/14
G2G looking strange, need advice. 08/31/14
If this is bacteria, I'm tossing ALL out! just not 100% sure. 07/30/14
How to tell if I have bad spawn? 07/07/14
your repeated use of RR or Pro's Only is pretty fuckin rich too
wow. I'm not worth all that effort. Maybe go outside?
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Re: WBS shaken to check contam. Uncertain about them. Need a pro's eye. [Re: DinkinFlicka84] 1
#23732194 - 10/12/16 07:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not as much effort as it looks like. But yeah you're probably still not worth it.
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