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Did you read the article? Two people changed their vote.
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Lol, your story is about a single focus group of 21 people.
And I'd rather have the dried up old bitch, or even a vegetable as POTUS long before the obese orange dipshit.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Patlal]
#23684039 - 09/27/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Patlal said: CNN admitted that they polled people leaning democrat. They were honest from the start about it so it was to be expected.
What I find strange is that the polling companies have them both tied up. Yet Internet polls from practically everywhere almost always end up in Trump's favor. I noticed this a while back and I still don't know how to explain it. Although I have a theory
People know they will be seenbadly if they openly say they support trump. Give them anonimity and suddenly you see reality.
In 2008 Ron Paul was 1st in most of the online polls during the primary, as well as some TV polls. He ended up with only about 1.2 million votes (to put it in perspective, McCain got over 9 million) and 4th place despite his good poll numbers. The results were skewed because he had a lot of supporters purposefully skewing the results by getting people riled up enough to vote in them.
That's just one example I can think of to explain how these polls (don't) work. They are skewed by exposure. Certain demographics see them because they are targeted, either passively or aggressively. You can't take CNN or Fox News polls seriously for obvious reasons. You can't take little online polls seriously for even more obvious reasons - they aren't made to be reliable indicators of anything in the broad sense. They are instead better indicators of what particular demographics might think. People who all go to the same sites, and get the same facebook feeds.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: koods]
#23684051 - 09/27/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not even a Hillary Clinton fan but, as a woman, I am so angry for her. She's having to entertain, campaign against, and possibly lose to, a man who is nowhere close to being her equal. Like, wow.
She is currently every woman who has ever been challenged by a guy who had no idea what he was talking about--and she can't just scream "shut up," she can't blow her top like she has every right to. She has to sit here and pretend that his opinions and feelings are just as valid as the facts her experience have taught her. This is literally what frustrates women DAILY, played out on the biggest national stage.
This election has reinforced that a guy's ignorance will still be given the same weight as a woman's experience. He can have emotional outbursts that she would be crucified for having. As many problems as I have with her, I recognize that she deserved a more worthy opponent in this election.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684058 - 09/27/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter who won, Romney handily beat Obama in their first debate and look how that election turned out
Stupid people will always vote democrat
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Obama then won all the subsequent debates  2014 was a case of the debate victor also winning at the voting booth
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crumist]
#23684101 - 09/27/16 06:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Is anybody really surprised Trump lost the debate? He has never been the refined, intellectual type... which I guess is what some people like about him.
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hostileuniverse said: Stupid people will always vote democrat
Are all people who vote democrat stupid people? And what of people that don't vote at all?
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23684169 - 09/27/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Stupid people will always vote democrat
Are all people who vote democrat stupid people? And what of people that don't vote at all?
Lol... statistics show otherwise. Statistically liberals have higher IQ's than conservatives.
Kanazawa did a study and concluded that liberals and atheists are more intelligent than conservatives and religious people. And for men, if you're monogamous, you're more likely to be intelligent. For women, being monogamous doesn't seem to correlate with anything.
http://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/journals/social-psychology-quarterly/why-liberals-and-atheists-are-more-intelligent
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684192 - 09/27/16 06:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you manage to turn a presidential race into a gender issue? Its not even tangentially related.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684199 - 09/27/16 06:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mehhhhh, I really don't care for these studies done on the softer side of psychology for the purpose of creating filler for the nightly news. Kanazawa is also a bit of a fruit-bat it seems.
And thats before getting into how flawed a measure I.Q. is.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684217 - 09/27/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Stupid people will always vote democrat
Are all people who vote democrat stupid people? And what of people that don't vote at all?
Lol... statistics show otherwise. Statistically liberals have higher IQ's than conservatives.
Kanazawa did a study and concluded that liberals and atheists are more intelligent than conservatives and religious people. And for men, if you're monogamous, you're more likely to be intelligent. For women, being monogamous doesn't seem to correlate with anything.
http://www.asanet.org/research-and-publications/journals/social-psychology-quarterly/why-liberals-and-atheists-are-more-intelligent

On monogamy - well yeah, any man that gets married is obviously not thinking straight. This has been known for thousands of years, no studies needed.
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Bodhi of Ankou said: How do you manage to turn a presidential race into a gender issue? Its not even tangentially related.
She didn't mention gender in relation to the election, but now that you mention it, one is a man and the other is the first major woman nominee, I'd say there is a gender component here
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684263 - 09/27/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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He's referring to somebody's post that I quoted here, which is an undeniable point. Say what you will about Clinton's politics or personality, but she has loads of experience and has always been an intelligent and articulate person.
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I'm not even a Hillary Clinton fan but, as a woman, I am so angry for her. She's having to entertain, campaign against, and possibly lose to, a man who is nowhere close to being her equal. Like, wow.
She is currently every woman who has ever been challenged by a guy who had no idea what he was talking about--and she can't just scream "shut up," she can't blow her top like she has every right to. She has to sit here and pretend that his opinions and feelings are just as valid as the facts her experience have taught her. This is literally what frustrates women DAILY, played out on the biggest national stage.
This election has reinforced that a guy's ignorance will still be given the same weight as a woman's experience. He can have emotional outbursts that she would be crucified for having. As many problems as I have with her, I recognize that she deserved a more worthy opponent in this election.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: koods]
#23684325 - 09/27/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: He wasn't even baited about Rosie O'Donnell. He brought that up himself.
So you thought he just started talking about that out of thin air? She specifically pointed out how he called a woman a pig. That pig in question was Rosie O'Donnell.
Instead of Trump being on the attack she had him wasting time defending himself about some meaningless insult that he said like two years ago about a C-list celebrity.
She baited him and it worked to perfection.
Trump went on Fox News this morning and defended calling the miss universe contestant a pig, saying she was terrible and gained a lot of weight. 
Was that the "pig" in question? Okay, stand corrected. That said she still baited him. And it's not like I'm saying that she baited him is a bad thing. That's a good thing if you're Hillary.
It was like taking candy from a baby if you're her. She had the guy talking about stupid comments he made about people nobody in the country gives a shit about, whether it was Rosie or this Miss Universe contestant. When Trump could've been grilling her about real topics and questions about her political past. But instead he spent time defending himself about petty insults he said years ago.
It was a textbook and elementary tactic that Trump's elementary ass fell for hook, line, and sinker. I'm sure Team Clinton had a good long laugh about it too after the debate wrapped up.
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684343 - 09/27/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's so hard to say trump won that. He was on his heels and completely out of his league. Came off as incompetent for the presidency and diplomacy. I hate Hillary Clinoton but as far as debates go this is an obvious grand slam for Clinton
I Said this in a different thread but on top of my previous concerns i.e. Cutting trade with China,Building a giant retarded wall he somehow thinks we can make Mexico pay for it,thinking Putin is a strong leader,making fun on the mentally handicapped,trying to say war heros aren't heros if they were POWs while that rich piece of shit got out of the draft,punishing women for abortions, monitoring mosques,claiming that we will have no qualms about nuclear warfare outside of the context of world war,calling people names constantly,extremely easy to provoke. The list goes on and on and on.
His political ideas involving finance aren't bad but outside that not only is he unequipt but would be voliatile in careful international agreements,trading,military and medical expenses. Just being presidential is the biggest issue for me. He can't do it.
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Seriously_trippin said: Trumps true colors showed and I was actually thinking of voting for him but this debate confirmed that he knows about buisiness and bullying . If he answered a question straight without referring to numbers and how hillary and Obama single handedly destroyed America but if he were president everything would be fine. I hate Hillary Clinton but this debate showed she can be presidential and keep poise during a simple debate where trump couldn't. He used half hillarys speaking time.
Directly "disagreed" about a fucking fact presented by Lester Holt and refused to stay calm or on topic. He tried to get Hillary to break and stoop to his level of childness that he is so fond of using against his republican opponents . I think it demonstrated that the little sliver of hope I had of him being presidential and or serious at this stage of the race is not only gone but even more terrifying then I thought. He can't be allowed to I was about to either vote trump or not at all but this one debate has me almost resolute to vote Hillary.
Trump didn't even dignify the question about his support of the Iraq war (which by the way, isn't too hard to brush off i.e. "That was many years ago etc" instead he just said that's not true! I'm super cereal 
Also completely dismissed the questions about wether or not he thought his comments toward women were presidential and he basically said filler filler filler " I did say Rosie o'Donald was a pig and i think everyone can are with that" tasteless and he just cannot represent the American people.
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Too bad for Lovers of the Old Bitch that Trump is appealing to the working man, especially in the Rust Belt and battleground states that Obama won easily.
That's the difference. I'll take my chances with him rather than the lying old bitch--the 'hero of bosnia'
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Crystal G]
#23684543 - 09/27/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Is anybody really surprised Trump lost the debate? He has never been the refined, intellectual type... which I guess is what some people like about him.
crystal motherfucking G
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Patlal]
#23684551 - 09/27/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Who won the debate? [Re: Patlal]
#23684725 - 09/27/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say more that Trump lost the debate, than I would say that Clinton won it.
I thought some of the things he said at the very start were pretty right on, but towards the end (at least of what I listened to) he went on about how he had a preferable temperament, and I just thought he had to be joking.
Not a Clinton supporter but I thought that listening to Trump last night was painful.
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