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Fert Nitty
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
#23683917 - 09/27/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dcthestar said: Also if you can find gabapentin or pregabalin that shit will totally wipe out all opiate withdrawal. Gabapentin when I quit methadone saved my life and I told my doctor that had me on methadone that they should give gaba for getting off opiates and not suboxone or methadone
I second this with the gabapentin/pregabalin. It does wonders for opiate w/d.
question for DCthestar- What was your experience like getting clean with gabapentin? I have used it to get me through soe tough times, but never have I 100% kicked with it. In your experience does it just prolong withdrawals? I noticed it eliminated ALL of my heroin W/D symptoms when I took it, I'm curious if you could just mask the illness for 4-5 days and skip most of your kick?
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dcthestar
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23684544 - 09/27/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dcthestar said: Also if you can find gabapentin or pregabalin that shit will totally wipe out all opiate withdrawal. Gabapentin when I quit methadone saved my life and I told my doctor that had me on methadone that they should give gaba for getting off opiates and not suboxone or methadone
I second this with the gabapentin/pregabalin. It does wonders for opiate w/d.
question for DCthestar- What was your experience like getting clean with gabapentin? I have used it to get me through soe tough times, but never have I 100% kicked with it. In your experience does it just prolong withdrawals? I noticed it eliminated ALL of my heroin W/D symptoms when I took it, I'm curious if you could just mask the illness for 4-5 days and skip most of your kick?
It worked for me a few times... I would eventually get back on opiates because those times I hadn't had a support system set up for after the initial week ya know.
But speaking to the gaba I would use gaba for 7-8 days to make sure I was over all the physical stuff and used a few benzos or weed to help sleep and then would just quit with no side effects at all. IMO gaba is the best drug to use to get past the first week of WDs but then you need to have some sort of counseling/support/change to beat the mental addiction which is actually the harder thing to overcome.
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bigben042
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
#23685442 - 09/28/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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@avshroomer- no it's not very fun at all, it's an all around bad trip but even bad trips can teach you the way. Ive been in methadone maintenance before and I hated it for a few different reasons but I'm willing to go back if I can't do this on my own.
Congrats on beating the addiction and staying clean. A whole year of sobriety would definitely be a good reason to celebrate. Are you still in the methadone program?? If not What dose did you get up to and what dose did you eventually quit at?
Opiates are such fucked up drugs, they're great for pain relief if you need them but they're too hard to control. Even people with prescriptions get fucked up.
I fear death more now than ever, even though I got a stupid high tolerance a few too many bags of fent could kill anyone. Actually my girl OD'D twice on fentanyl and I had to give her CPR until the paramedics came. I'm so happy she's off the shit in rehab and I don't have to worry about her while I'm working on my self. I've never been in such a good relationship and I'd be lost without her.
Actually in a convo with her a few days ago she told me one of the reasons she really wanted to have the baby is because shes worried about me dying and she would never forgive herself having an abortion if that did happen. That convo was a slap yo reality...
@dcthestar- I agree with your observations on AA/NA but everyone says you have to do it.. the hardcore members definitely make me uneasy and it does feel like a cult but even so it will be nice for me and my girl to get outta the house a couple times a week and actively think about the addiction were fighting.
@anyone talking about gabapentin... ive done alot of reading online and while I have little to no experience with it, it seems to be a miracle cure at higher doses. I'm going to see if I can procure a bunch of it for my upcoming detox. in one post someone said they slept for 10hours after taking twice the recommended dose...that blows me away as sleep during withdrawls is either non existent or only half hour at a time .
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dcthestar
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
#23685900 - 09/28/16 09:20 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ive been clean for two years without AA/NA bro but I understand about getting out of the house. The key is to find a good group with lots of good open sharing.
I got clean by getting through the withdrawals and checking into a 30 day rehab. After that my new born daughter and my wife and son have kept me clean. I almost lost them so it's plenty of motivation. And I still get to have my fun because my wife is cool with my drug use as long as it's not anything addictive like opiates, benzos, amphetamines ect. She trips mushrooms and LSD with me and is interested in trying ketamine with me soon. But man like I said if you ever need to talk or vent PM me. I'm actually going to school go become a licensed chemical dependency counselor.
Don't let anyone ever tell you there is a certain way to do it or that youcant do it without AA or God/religion. It's all about wanting to change, getting real with yourself and the lies your addiction will tell you and building up a support system with some counseling.
Best of luck!
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dcthestar
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
#23685909 - 09/28/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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In no way is this dose advice just saying what I did and what worked for me to feel great and get sleep.
Take around 1800mg gabapentin that would last until bedtime. Fill my days up with activity so I have my mind off of the boredom.
At night take another 600-1200mg of gaba and take 2mg Xanax along with a bowl or two of some good. I slept every night that week with that recipe and I wasn't blowing through Xanax or weed trying to feel OK all day.
I think I have a high tolerance to gaba so if you do it start small.
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Fert Nitty
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
#23686016 - 09/28/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i began detox this morning, woke up at 4am sweaty and shitty. i took 1200mg GABApentin and within an hour and a half I was back asleep til 830, I feel fine right now (9am) except that back chill issues. I could prolly use another small dose of GABApentin. Only thing is I only have maybe 15 300mg capsules. so I am trying to make it last at least a few days.
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dcthestar
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23686025 - 09/28/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fert Nitty said: i began detox this morning, woke up at 4am sweaty and shitty. i took 1200mg GABApentin and within an hour and a half I was back asleep til 830, I feel fine right now (9am) except that back chill issues. I could prolly use another small dose of GABApentin. Only thing is I only have maybe 15 300mg capsules. so I am trying to make it last at least a few days.
Good luck brother!! Glad you got some sleep... Sleep makes a world of difference in how you feel during detox. PM me if you need to talk buddy. Cheers! You got this!
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
#23710838 - 10/05/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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****UPDATE*****
Hello everybody, (hello doctor Nick) Just wanted to update my progress since there are genuinely nice/caring people on shroomery. I was able to acquire (30) 300mg gabapentin, I will most likely buy more just in case and I want to load up on them since it's a great drug to have around.
I actually had a trial run on the gabapentin... I took what I sarcastically call a vacation day last Saturday ( vacation=a short break from whatever drug for whatever reason) and between gabapentin and OG kush shatter I literally slept all day and most if the night. I would wake up eat a few pills, a few dabs and lay down day dreaming about my girl. It worked very well considering I'm coming off a 2-3 bundle a day addiction.
Im picking up a bottle of clonazepam this Friday and telling my boss that I'm finally taking my vacation, so within the next week or 2 it'll be time to detox. I am so excited to detox, I'm literally counting down the days now that my plan is in full swing.
My girlfriend is happy and healthy,for the last couple weeks she's been sending me couple selfies and belly pics so I'm very excited. She's also got a baby app on her phone and I found out my baby is the size of a bell pepper/tomato, it's very rewarding to know ill be the proud father of a pepper.
@fertnilly- good luck on the detox, were all praying for you. Actually I realize your post was from last week, how ya feeling? What did you use to help withdrawls if anything?
@dcthestar- you seem like a very cool dude , with your personal experience with addiction and belief that there's more than one way to get clean I think you will be an amazing counseled when you finish school. My girl is similar to your in that she is cool with weed/psychedelics so ill always have my herb. I don't drink so a lil bud once in a while is s fair trade off I think.
Well i think that's good for now, next time I post I will be clean or in a treatment program.
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Fert Nitty
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
#23711576 - 10/05/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I actually didnt stay clean too long before copping again.. I am now at about 36 hours again.
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funkymonk22
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23711784 - 10/05/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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i battled it for 8 years on and off...would always make it to 3, 6, or 9 months and go back..the mental addiction is the hardest. you come out feeling like a baby, not knowing who you are, what you like, any of that kinda stuff..heroin makes life simple, just that one thing matters, the next fix..but it's no way to live..living life is scary, but also exciting. as a junkie your future is foretold and really, what's the fun in that?
NA/AA works for some, but not my cup of tea..its always had an opposite effect on me and i feel what was best for me was to just move in a different direction all together..i couldnt do it without my fungal friends though..but they can only give you a clear picture of who you are, where your at, and what you need to do to get where you want to be..but you have to take the actions..the key is to stay off for long enough to form another life, one that is better than the feeling of a big shot! it can be done
congrats on the baby, you are very lucky to have a family of your own coming together...i know you can do this, forgive yourself! that is hugely important...im gonna check your progress because my heart goes out to you my friend
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23711786 - 10/05/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just checking back with you and in response to your question @bigben042 I am still on the methadone program gonna start to taper a bit down now that its almost a year since I been here at the clinic and a year in mid nov since I shot heroin. Im not rushing out of here especially with how good I have done this past year. This year I plan to taper down and stay at a lower dose than im at now. Its gonna be a long road before I fully get off opiates. If I said otherwise I would be lying to myself detoxing off dope cold turkey has done some people good but for me I always go back weather it me a week or a month I ended up going back and letting myself and my loved ones down again and again. Now me and my girl both have been off heroin for a year Im about to get my own place and have been able to keep a full time job something I was never able to do strung out on the daily. All in all things are looking up i just gotta stay on track and not let my guard down. The dope around here has been killing alot of friends this past year just lost another friend last week to fent laced dope... :/ Whatever way you choose to get off the junk the more power to you! You know yourself better than anyone. Its a huge obstacle to get past and you gotta change everything about your daily routine. Find hobbies and things to take your mind off of being bored and going out and copping. Weather it be riding a bike, reading a book, gaming, shit even growing mushrooms! If you ever need to talk to anyone you can alwyas PM me keep us updated! Best of luck with your Detox!
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funkymonk22
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: AVShroomer]
#23712450 - 10/06/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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agreed av, methadone and suboxone can give you time to find another way to live, and to build a life worth living, then deal with the physical...best wishes to you too
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funkymonk22
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: funkymonk22]
#23712467 - 10/06/16 08:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ohh and the gabapentin is very interesting...really cool if its working
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Fert Nitty
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: funkymonk22]
#23713258 - 10/06/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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well im almost at 48 hours. my only real symptom is cold chills, mild. oh and diarrhea.. alot. I think I need to up my gabapentin dose a little, Ive read that tolerance grows fast to it.
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bigben042
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Fert Nitty]
#23744416 - 10/17/16 03:42 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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@ feet nitty damn bro wish I jumped back on here sooner. Imodium does wonders even in small doses, but in large doses really helped me get through nights when I couldn't any dope. Shit maybe 6 2mg Imodium and a few 25mg benadryl w/o caffeine actually got my girl to stop flopping around like a fish and kicking me ll night during one of our last rough clean nights waiting till the next morning to cop.. and gabapentin definitely has its uses but it's not gonna deal with all the symptoms. Hope your doing well bro, I got my big jump off on this Thursday. I been saving up all kinds of different drugs for different reasons. I'll prolly get a list of of shit in my detox kit this time around but at a later time.. it's currently 530am and i been up all night sick again but on purpose. Ive skipped a fea days of dope here and there over the past couple weeks to prepare myself for doing it for real. Since this time I don't have much room to fuck up Its either get off the dope 100% or go to methadone program and Id rather beat it myself again if I can.
@avshroomer man these stories break ur fuckin heart Even going through the same shit. I've lost all my friends to heroin either cuz I turned into a piece of shit or they're dead/ in jail. Its good to hear you got this shit beat for a year, your girl too. Sounds like you got a few good reasons to live life to its fullest without dope dumbing you.
@ funkymonk22 again it's good to hear some success stories and of people doing it their own way. I hate the way society or at least my state/country CT,USA handles addiction. If my detox fails I'll be wearing the liquid handcuffs again for the foraeable future but like I said b4 I got into this bullshit myself. I quit b4 for almost 2 years and I can do it again. It's crazy how quick time passes, i just realized I been using OCS Hart right after highschool, and heroin couple years after that, now I'm 29 like what the fuck??
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
#23744432 - 10/17/16 03:52 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I plan on posting my results on here since I feel you guys are cool as shit, and definitely helped me just by sharing a few kind words and your experiences.. I just wanted to thank you guys again b4 shit hits the fan Thursday and share some positive vibes from earlier today.. actually why I'm dopesick right now.
I saw my girl in rehab today, or yesterday, she waited almost a week for me to come for visitation to open the doctors letter thing that tells the baby's sex... and IT'S A BOY!!! Yeaaaa boyyy!!!
Lol it was a bugged out situation. Try to picture yourselves In a rehab with your girl and her family all congratulating u, throwing out high 5s n shit for knocking up their daughter. Idk maybe I just smoke too much bud sometimes and over analyze shit but I always thought it was kinda funny congratulating people having babys.
I get it i'm just stupid baked rambling but the point was I heard some more good news today and decided to give the dope a rest until I need to goto work in 2.5 hours!! Until next time fellow funguys
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
#23744459 - 10/17/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have no advice for you other than to stick at it. I just want to wish you luck and I'm routing for you! You can do it man
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Floatingsaiyan]
#23744477 - 10/17/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: littlespider]
#23744607 - 10/17/16 06:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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My babies 3 months OP, and a boy too!
He's my little buddy and so cute he makes me want to cry! All I want is the best for him and a life with addicts would be as pretty much bad a life as you could possibly provide.
You could OD and leave him fatherless, or end up in prison or destitute. Not nice to have to think about I know but its a hell of an incentive to quit and stay that way! Parenthood is the ultimate weapon against human selfishness as you finally find something that you care more about more than yourself!
Wait till he gets to 3 months and starts smiling and laughing and you can see that his eyes now register you as someone he knows! My boy melts my heart and its scary to love something so much. He brings out in me a fierce protective instinct, and I get tears in my eyes just looking at him sometimes!
I'm rooting for ya I know you can do it!
Try to think ahead to Christmas with your family all of you together under the tree your boy giddy with excitement for the coming of MR Clause. Haha for my boy I'm going to make christmas the best damned christmas ever!
You get to live it all again through your kids eyes. Lifes long and tempting though, why not try to move away from where you are now, with old places and people where you know exactly where to score is always going to be difficult.
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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: wolf8312]
#23746423 - 10/17/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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@floatingsaiyab thanks for the support I need all the positive vibes I can get. I'm counting down the days until my vacation in hell starts.
@wolf8312 I loved your post, as a 29yo rough and rugged junkie I can honestly say I cried a lil bit when I read that. Those are all things I've thought about and are reasons I'm so OCd and serious about getting clean. Me and my girl are great together and I know we can be great parents together.
I'm so excited for the good times and watching him grow. Coming from a fucked up family and having this chance to start my own is just amazing there's no other word for it. with a little work my life could turn out pretty good.
Not sure of your history with addiction but it's great to hear a story about a happy family. There's too many horror stories everywhere you look and many more in the making.
Thanks for taking the time to stop by chat. We're all connected at shroomery by our love for mindb opening psychedelics and it's a crime against humanity it's not legal. Right now I doubt I'll have any shrooms for my detox as I know they have their place in helping me become the man I want to be.. I shall stay positive tho.
@littlespider don't worry I didn't forget about you! Gracias for taking an interest in my struggle and upcoming resurrection. It's a cold world out there but it warms my heart that there are so many people stopping in to help in any way they can.
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