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Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions
    #23680303 - 09/26/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hello fellow psychedelic enthusiasts, thanks in advance for taking the time to read my post and for any advice you can give.

Some background about myself: I'm almost 30 living in the USA, I've been addicted to oxycontin and heroin for almost 10years with 2years of sobriety that I was able to achieve by tripping hard on my homegrown shrooms for almost a week during withdrawls. It was so long ago I can't remember my dosing schedule.

For the last few months I've decided I am finally done with the bullshit, tired of opiates running my life and taking all my money. Right now I am at a pretty good place mentally, depression is almost non existent. I have an amazing girlfriend of almost 7years, she is almost half way into a pregnancy. She had some legal issues and ended up in a rehab for pregnant women. She gets out in January, and the baby will be born sometime in March maybe. She is doing great with sobriety and I know she will continue to. Now it's my turn.

For as wonderful as she's been, I feel I owe it to her and my baby to get off the opiates and be a better father than mine was. I understand it's almost impossible to get off opiates until your ready, I want to get clean for myself also, just being a better partner and dad would be great too.

If anyone has questions about any of that feel free to ask, I don't have anyone to talk to about any of this.

Onto my questions...
As stated above I have had previous success with using mushrooms to quit in the past but that was while I was growing shrooms and at one point at the end of my week or whatever it was I ate half an oz for an extreme trip. My idea was to solidify all the knowledge I gained earlier in the week with a complete ego death. This time I have to buy the shrooms and I'm trying to figure out how I can stretch a half oz for 3-4days.

You don't need to have experience with opiates, but I would like to talk dosing with anyone that's tripped multiple days in a row.

I'm thinking I'll take my last dose of Heroin on a Friday morning b4 work so I can get through the day, then eat maybe 2grams of shrooms when I get out of work. Have a light trip for a few hours then smoke some bud, pop a few Xanax bars to knock me out for the night.
Day 2- wake up try to eat something, wait a couple hours or however long it takes till I'm really fiending for a fix then take another small dose, maybe 2.5-3 Gram's of shrooms. Smoke and pop Xanax when trip is over, chill for a few hours, take a bigger dose of maybe 3.5grams.

I plan to continue that from later Friday afternoon to late Sunday night or take Monday off for one last day depending on how I feel.

Starting at 2grams on Friday, then tripping 2times a day for Sat and Sunday, and maybe once in the morning Monday if needed how much do you think my tolerance will increase?

I used to be heavy into psychedelics but it's been a couple years since I've even tripped. So with all that doea anyone have any suggestions on doses or anything to share?

Thanks again for reading this and positive vibes for all.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
    #23680348 - 09/26/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's a shame kratom is going to illegal soon, I didn't see you mention it and idk if you even know about it but maybe research it and buy a few ounces before it's too late.

Other than that, I'd say tripping days in a row isn't going to work with only 14g of shrooms.
I mean it could but idk.
I really hope it helps you anyway.

If you want to get the most out of the mushrooms maybe eat the first dose Friday, skip the xanax if you can, it'll make you trip less efficiently.
Day two, prepare a tea with the heightened dose, use lemon in the tea to convert the psilocybin to psilocin, this will help the onset be faster and the experience should be a bit more intense, BUT also a bit shorter, once that trip is done pop a bar if you want OR don't and eat the final big dose Sunday trip hard and then finish it with a bar.

Idk man, it's tough to say but that's how I would try to do it personally.

I really wish you the best though, and congrats on the bun in the oven man, that baby really does deserve TWO sober parents, so MAKE it happen.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: impaired420]
    #23680364 - 09/26/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Like this person said check into kratom it helped me tremendously with opiate addiction. Also save the benzos and don't munch them all in a day or two unless you can get more easily as they are a lifesaver for sleep. Also I would try to stay on kratom through out the days and then trip larger mushroom doses at night. I think you would get more mileage doing it this way.

I quit methadone and Xanax almost two years ago when my daughter was born. You got this OP and I will be sending positive vibes your way! PM me if you need to talk or have any questions!

PS. Hurry If your going to buy kratom a lot of sites are ending orders as of midnight tonight.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: impaired420]
    #23680368 - 09/26/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would say kratom would of helped you alot. Its a long shot with only 1/2 oz..Usually have to double your dose if its within a week.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: LSDollar]
    #23680380 - 09/26/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also if you can find gabapentin or pregabalin that shit will totally wipe out all opiate withdrawal. Gabapentin when I quit methadone saved my life and I told my doctor that had me on methadone that they should give gaba for getting off opiates and not suboxone or methadone


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
    #23680747 - 09/26/16 06:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Big thanks to everyone for the help and congratulations. Its a very exciting time and I'm praying this is the kick I need to finally get my shit together. I've heard about Keaton and anything natural that can help is ok in my book. Ill look into getting some but I might be out of luck by the time I have the necessary $ to get all my detox supplies together.

I may be able to get some gabapentin, and I heard that works good for back pain/nerve pain during withdrawls. The worst for me is the first few days and the lack of sleep so that's the only reason im considering Xanax. I enjoy it too much and don't need any extra addictions.

Since it's a bit of a pain in the ass to find the shrooms where im at its gonna take a few days to get once I get paid Friday then I gotta wait till the weekend since I work full time.

Ill be stocking up on fruits,Imodium, maybe 20 Xanax bars, benadryl, gabapentin if possible, some top shelf buds/dabs and at least a half oz of shrooms. I was considering trying an Ayahuasca brew to take in-between shroom doses but we'll see. It'll be a week or 2 but I'll keep everyone updated as soon as I make any kind of progress since Ill want to brag lol.

I should also say that my highly praised mushroom detox is just one possible way to get clean. I'm praying it works again for me because my other options are detox then methadone maintenance, or a month long rehab. I was going to a methadone maintenance for a while and I fucking hated it! While it's free or cheap instead of going to the hood every morning for my fix I would be going to the methadone clinic and I feel that to beat this I need to change my habits too. The hoops they make you jump through are a pain in the ass, a methadone prescription would be a different story but I don't believe that's possible for me.

I just started smoking herb again after a long hiatus and I love the introspective thoughts I have when I smoke, that's what got me to start thinking about my old mushroom detox.

I guess that's it for now. Good night

Edit: forgot to say I'm all for the lemon tea and I guess ill have to cut back on doses and just take more per dose. 3-4 mid strength doses might just do the trick


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
    #23681276 - 09/26/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If you're going to being through withdrawal. Personally I'd imagine tripping wouldn't help too much, maybe even make you more nausous. if it works then it works though.

I can't imagine you'll be feeling the shrooms too much due to tolerance by then end though. But if you do it I wish you the best of trips.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Achillita]
    #23681519 - 09/26/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Probably not what you want to hear but don't get kratom. It's just another drug one can get addicted to. I don't care what anyone here says. Kratom is a drug and it is easily habit forming. Next thing you know... instead of doing a shot of heroin to feel like your normal self you're going to be taking 10 grams of kratom to feel like your normal self. Kratom is just another unhealthy, costly habit you don't need in your life.

Realistically, I don't think 14 grams of mushrooms is going to last you 3 or 4 days of consecutive tripping. I'd say if you want to trip 3 or 4 days in a row the number would be more like 2 ounces.

Good luck to you man. You can do it. Fuck that heroin shit. You don't need it. Do good. Be safe.

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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23681657 - 09/26/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The immodium can actually work very well look into using it to ween off and help you through the hard first three days or so. Just remember a laxative.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
    #23681878 - 09/27/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Look for ibogaine on the darknet it has a high success rate for helping get people off of opiates.
It messes with your brain chemistry so you won't necessarily need opiates to feel normal or happy when you come off of them.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23682269 - 09/27/16 06:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I still believe the best way to withdrawal at home is gabapentin, Xanax and marijuana for those first 4-5 days. Don't stay on any of that after a week due to their own addiction potential... Well besides the smoke.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: dcthestar]
    #23682394 - 09/27/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

@Achillita- the shrooms don't help withdrawls much if any, it just makes you critical of the choices you've made and able to be introspective. It should allow you to break free from your old self and become who you want to be.

@b1gp1g- I've only done minimal research on kratom but I have the same concerns about it becoming a less evil sort of addiction. It might work if I only stick with it a few days and theres no withdrawls from kratom for a few days use... something to look further into.  Also thanks for the support, it sucks I got to this point and it's shocking so much time has passed but it's time to do some work on myself.

@eggtimer/dcthestar- I've always heard good things about Imodium and never thought it was helpful for anything other than loose bowels, but surprisingly at higher doses it really takes a bite out of withdrawls. Xanax/weed/ and hopefully gabapentin will be in my detox kit. Ibogaine would be great if I can find it.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23682430 - 09/27/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Look for ibogaine on the darknet it has a high success rate for helping get people off of opiates.
It messes with your brain chemistry so you won't necessarily need opiates to feel normal or happy when you come off of them.




Iboga can allow you to skip opioid withdrawl completely or at least partially. Problem is that it can be quite hard on the body.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042] * 1
    #23682444 - 09/27/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, Op...I would go to the 28 day treatment center...one that doesn't substitute subs or another opioid...that will get you completely off of the opiates.
Then, work on a plan like NA or another group to help you stay off of them. The easier/ softer way rarely works IME.

I can't imagine tripping on mushrooms while in opiate withdrawal...sounds excruciating to me.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23682524 - 09/27/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I tripped during xanax withdrawal and I won't do that ever again. Both getting addicted and then tripping in withdrawal lol :laugh:


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23682627 - 09/27/16 09:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Thayendanegea said:
Honestly, Op...I would go to the 28 day treatment center...one that doesn't substitute subs or another opioid...that will get you completely off of the opiates.
Then, work on a plan like NA or another group to help you stay off of them. The easier/ softer way rarely works IME.

I can't imagine tripping on mushrooms while in opiate withdrawal...sounds excruciating to me.




I like this advice the best.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23682746 - 09/27/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ibogaine sounds like it would be good in a controlled setting, self medicating sounds like too much for me and kratom isnt too easy to find on the clear net.

Tripping during withdrawls definitely isn't fun, its a real mind fuck, but it worked once and I'd like to detox without methadone or subs. Like impaired420 I never wanted to go through the withdrawls or the intense trips necessary to reset my brain again and I didn't mess with opiates again until I got arrested 2years later for growing shrooms/weed and my life turned upside down.

@bigfeely123- a 28day detox is definitely a possibility, Ill do whatever it takes to get clean and stay clean this time. I just want to try it my way first since I was successful last time. I will most likely get back to NA afterwards, well see how things go once my baby is born. If everything works out I should be getting a new apartment in different town, working extra hours, and taking care of a new baby but if possible me and my SO would like to find local NA meetings.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: bigben042]
    #23682785 - 09/27/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hear you man. However you get clean doesn't matter as long as you stay clean. Going to a different town may be good for you. Also, this is what I did, although it wasn't with heroin. I deleted any dealer's number that I didn't want to associate with anymore. Not only that but I also deleted the texts & call history from them as well so I couldn't go back when I was fiending & save their number again in my contacts. On most smart phones, even when you delete someone from your contacts you still have the number on your phone from the texts and/or calls you made to them it just won't have a name attached to it but you'll obviously know who it is from what you were texting about. I totally erased them so I could not get in contact with them even if I wanted to. Good luck to you man.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #23682902 - 09/27/16 11:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Tripping while going thru an opiate WD doesnt sound like a route I would like to go IMO. I been a heroin addict myself for the past 7 and a half years the only thing that worked for me is to actually getting into a maintenance program yeah people say that the WDs are worse than dope when your getting off of em but they are only bad if you get off them fast if you taper the right way than you will have little to no WDs and the time you are on subs/or methadone will be the time where you can get your life together. You also get therapy which really helps I always wanted to avoid talking to a therapist but it sure has helped with figuring out why I have been doing this shit to myself and what I can do to not fall back into that life. It has really helped me and if it wasnt for my clinic in my town I would prolly be dead right now with all this fent heroin comming around my town.
  To each their own tho different things work for different people thats what has work for me in Nov it will be a year since i stuck a needle in my arm I never thought I would live to say that! :smile: Whatever way you end up choosing I wish you the best of luck I wouldnt wish opiate addiction on my worst enemy its something that sure has gotten the best of me.


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Re: Psychedelics and opiate addiction addiction? Multiple day trip dosing questions [Re: AVShroomer]
    #23683834 - 09/27/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I always found that NA did more harm than good and was a breeding ground for dealers as a lot of time it's court ordered. That's just me though whatever works. I personally find AA/NA people to be kind of intense and cultish.


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