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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 1
    #23678550 - 09/26/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Free college would be the best thing America could ever do. I'd be happy if America paid for that out of war money.

I can't speak for the far right, but it would be nice to be able to speak your own language to people in your country and to walk the streets in your own country without being molested by foreigners.

That's all it's about, it's got nothing to do with hate except in so far as you communists want to bring dishonest rhetoric to the discourse.

The idea of going to other worlds is stupid. There is no way it could be worth the expense, especially considering how much human suffering here on Earth could be alleviated for the same amount of money. If you don't understand this point then your capacity for empathy is suspect imo.

Utopia is not something I believe in, I just try to be happy right now (only I don't try too hard).

Having said that, it's obvious that the end result of continued Muslim immigration to Europe will be civil war and another genocide. Anyone who doesn't realise this doesn't know much.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23678888 - 09/26/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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It's really not about what they want, when all is said and done.




That "pay for it on your dime" line isn't gonna get me. My dime already goes to billionaires who sure as hell don't need any help.


America is the most socialistic nation in the history of the world...FOR THE RICH.
Capitalism for the poor.

6.5 trillion dollars lost by the pentagon, yet y'all wanna bitch and moan about welfare and the audacity of "free college"


The bailout was larger than the expenditure of ww1 and Ww2 combined and puts the lenins glorious revolution to shame in scale.




Most don't realize the bailouts are actually what gave rise to the Tea Party, Americans sick of republicans acting like the socialist democrats, they don't want socialism, whether it's corporate welfare or welfare for perfectly able bodied people capable of working. The whole thing is BS and heavily weighted against the American workers, THAT is what they rail against


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #23679092 - 09/26/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't agree with a lot of what qman says, but he is right that huge influxes of migrants do have a negative effect on many economies.




:facepalm: of course, if ISIS wasn't pussyfooted around, (unlike Saddam), then the migrant crisis might never have happened, or at the least, would not have been so extreme.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23679388 - 09/26/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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elax420 said:
It's really not about what they want, when all is said and done.




That "pay for it on your dime" line isn't gonna get me. My dime already goes to billionaires who sure as hell don't need any help.


America is the most socialistic nation in the history of the world...FOR THE RICH.
Capitalism for the poor.

6.5 trillion dollars lost by the pentagon, yet y'all wanna bitch and moan about welfare and the audacity of "free college"


The bailout was larger than the expenditure of ww1 and Ww2 combined and puts the lenins glorious revolution to shame in scale.




So your rationalization for the US and EU to get flooded with third world leeches is that there's too much wealth inequality? :huxleyfacepalm:

We can fix the inequality with policy changes and still preserve our homelands, flooding the homelands with third world leeches destroys the existing economy and culture.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23679399 - 09/26/16 10:35 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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We will skip my communist shit as this is a thread for the far right.



So tell me what is the goal of the far right?


What do you see as utopia?

Do you see humanity ever inhabiting other worlds? If so who leads this initiative?





I'm actually curious as to how you all view society.
What you see as it is, as you would like it, and where we are going as a species.




"So what is the goal of the far right?"

Not to have a "far right".  Don't push people to the limits and you'll never see the "far right".

But guess what?  Humans have a survival instinct and Northern Europeans tend to overreact when pushed too hard into a corner.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman]
    #23679492 - 09/26/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/714171/Angela-Merkel-Germany-enough-migrant-crisis-Europe-take-more

Merkel-"Germany has done enough"

"other countries will have to jump in"

:facepalm:  Yeah, because her policy has worked out so well for Germany.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 3
    #23679497 - 09/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

So you are admitting the far right is purely reactionary?


You are already starting the superiority shit with "Northern Europeans"



Wtf has Northern Europe done to be superior? Greece and Rome both gave much more to society than the fucking fins or latvians

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420] * 3
    #23679507 - 09/26/16 11:07 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Oh I am also taking that you are a fervent believer in nationalism?
So was the rush for Africa and the years before ww1 the years the world got everything right and it's been steady decline ever since?



The right is even more ridiculous than I thought.


I ask you to give me your views and you tell me you have none aside from some rambling about Northern Europe.


Sieg heil qman

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: viktor] * 3
    #23679536 - 09/26/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Free college would be the best thing America could ever do. I'd be happy if America paid for that out of war money.

I can't speak for the far right, but it would be nice to be able to speak your own language to people in your country and to walk the streets in your own country without being molested by foreigners.

That's all it's about, it's got nothing to do with hate except in so far as you communists want to bring dishonest rhetoric to the discourse.

The idea of going to other worlds is stupid. There is no way it could be worth the expense, especially considering how much human suffering here on Earth could be alleviated for the same amount of money. If you don't understand this point then your capacity for empathy is suspect imo.

Utopia is not something I believe in, I just try to be happy right now (only I don't try too hard).

Having said that, it's obvious that the end result of continued Muslim immigration to Europe will be civil war and another genocide. Anyone who doesn't realise this doesn't know much.





My capacity for empathy is suspect yet you say something along the lines of paying for the migrants on my dime.


Lol nothing about the war machine? Nothing about the billions of dollars in subsidies for oil and pharmaceuticals?
Just cuz you run from a label doesn't mean you don't personify it my friend.



People get scared of the unknown and rather than attributing the blame to the obvious cause (the warmongers themselves) they blame the poor, and the outsider.
Interesting.

"Molested by foreigners" is some pretty strong rhetoric with obvious racial undertones :cookiemonster:
Don't accuse me of twisting your words while trying to use my own against me fascist

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23679543 - 09/26/16 11:23 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/26/the-deutsche-bank-crisis-could-take-angela-merkel-down--and-the/

Merkel and Germany have even more problems, it looks like Germany's largest bank is toast here and going down the tubes.  She claims the government will not bail out this bank, talk is cheap.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/business/dealbook/deutsche-bank-q2-earnings.html?_r=0

"E 42 trillion derivatives portfolio, one of the largest in the world"

The consequences of DB going down is huge for Germany, the EU and the whole global banking system.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #23679566 - 09/26/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Good don't bail those fuckers out. The fact they learned nothing from 2007 (or maybe they learning that they have no business risk since they are "2big2fail") proves they can't compete in real market.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: elax420]
    #23679589 - 09/26/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

Globalists like Merkel will always bail out corps, it's what they do


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23679627 - 09/26/16 11:51 AM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Globalists like Merkel will always bail out corps, it's what they do




Fal will be in his glory, there isn't a financial bailout for the global bankers he doesn't support. :facepalm: Then he complains about wealth and income inequality.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23679656 - 09/26/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Globalists like Merkel will always bail out corps, it's what they do




Then maybe we should move away from a system where corporations are owed favors from politicians.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #23679661 - 09/26/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Globalists like Merkel will always bail out corps, it's what they do




Fal will be in his glory, there isn't a financial bailout for the global bankers he doesn't support. :facepalm: Then he complains about wealth and income inequality.



You don't bailout a company just because it goes bankrupt.  :facepalm:  And I don't think you should EVER bailout a private company, unless it would have a net benefit for Main St.

Yes, I supported the 2008 bailout that prevented a Great Depression, because a Great Depression wouldn't have been good for Main Street.  I'm doing very well today as a result of the bailout.  I might not even have a job right now if that hadn't happened.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the specifics of what I've said.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23679710 - 09/26/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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qman said:
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Globalists like Merkel will always bail out corps, it's what they do




Fal will be in his glory, there isn't a financial bailout for the global bankers he doesn't support. :facepalm: Then he complains about wealth and income inequality.



You don't bailout a company just because it goes bankrupt.  :facepalm:  And I don't think you should EVER bailout a private company, unless it would have a net benefit for Main St.

Yes, I supported the 2008 bailout that prevented a Great Depression, because a Great Depression wouldn't have been good for Main Street.  I'm doing very well today as a result of the bailout.  I might not even have a job right now if that hadn't happened.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to the specifics of what I've said.




Well here's question for you today, will you support the bailing out of financial institutions in the near future?  Or are you going to use the same rationalizations that you used for the 2008 bailouts?  Where do you draw the line?

"I'm doing very well today as a result of the bailout"

That's great, the very rich are also doing very well from the bailouts, the vast majority of US citizens are NOT doing very well as a result of the bailout.  I thought liberals were able to see the world outside of their own personal lives, I clearly was mistaken.

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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 1
    #23679736 - 09/26/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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Well here's question for you today, will you support the bailing out of financial institutions in the near future?



Only if it helps Main St, as I just noted.

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are you going to use the same rationalizations that you used for the 2008 bailouts?  Where do you draw the line?



We desperately need a President who will call for ending "too big to fail" corporations.  Bernie was that person, but he didn't win.

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I'm doing very well today as a result of the bailout



That's great, the very rich are also doing very well from the bailouts, the vast majority of US citizens are NOT doing very well as a result of the bailout.



The vast majority are doing FAR better than they'd be doing in a Great Depression.  Of course, we still need higher wages, less outsourcing, all the things that Bernie called for, but unfortunately Americans didn't seem to want that.

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I thought liberals were able to see the world outside of their own personal lives, I clearly was mistaken.



No, you were correct.  If I looked at the world only from my own perspective, I wouldn't be calling for an end to the social security cap, because that will cost me a ton of money.  I wouldn't be calling for higher taxes on the rich, because that could cost me a ton of money.  I wouldn't be calling for more estate taxes, etc...


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: qman] * 2
    #23679753 - 09/26/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

I think fal was clear that he votes with main st in mind.


In my view though, we cant keep doing this. I dont think we should have done it the first time. We are apparently only going to get the proper system with the proper regulation in place when there's a huge public outcry for it. Thats not gonna happen when the banks and the feds keep colluding to patch the leaks of a sinking ship.

Break up the banks.
New Glass Steagal.


Even that isnt enough in my view. More and more, our domestic economy is run on a series of shell games. We don't manufacture anything. We don't produce anything. Almost everything that gets invented or started here moves away to save money.

We're due for something drastically different. What we've got now is the definition of insanity.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23679788 - 09/26/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

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I think fal was clear that he votes with main st in mind.


In my view though, we cant keep doing this. I dont think we should have done it the first time.



I agree we never should have put ourselves in a position where this was necessary (we allowed 'too big to fail').  Do you really think another Great Depression would have helped somehow?  :shrug:

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We are apparently only going to get the proper system with the proper regulation in place when there's a huge public outcry for it. Thats not gonna happen when the banks and the feds keep colluding to patch the leaks of a sinking ship.

Break up the banks.
New Glass Steagal.



We had a candidate who would have fixed the above (Bernie), but people weren't smart enough to elect him (or perhaps the establishment had enough control of the media to prevent it).

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Even that isnt enough in my view. More and more, our domestic economy is run on a series of shell games. We don't manufacture anything. We don't produce anything. Almost everything that gets invented or started here moves away to save money.

We're due for something drastically different. What we've got now is the definition of insanity.



Agreed.  And we failed to elect the candidate that would have done this.


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Re: Rise of the far-right in France and Europe [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23679795 - 09/26/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 5 months ago)

On your first point, maybe. The first depression yielded some pretty decent reforms.

Do the ends justify the means? Maybe.


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