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Rise of the far right in the pub * 2
    #23679445 - 09/26/16 10:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't that pretty much the opposite of the psychedelic ethos?

Not cool.

We need to get primitive. :sunstone:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23679459 - 09/26/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm evolving past the monkey stage finally...

Feels good man, feels really good.

Stay green and earthy!


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce] * 1
    #23679462 - 09/26/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just wait until the election is over abs they can crawl to the conspiracy subforum with all their drivel about the terminally ill killehirly bullshit.

We are all collectively holding our breaths until then.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23679481 - 09/26/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So is Trump gonna trump the election or not?

I heard he had his balls removed because he tried raping his daughter.
Too much?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Electric Wizard21]
    #23679499 - 09/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I believe there is almost zero chance of trump taking it.  After tonights debate all but the most invested trump supporters will be running in reverse. 

The only base he has is uneducated whites, they almost always vote red anyways.  Combine that with higher minority turnouts and we will be blue coast to coast.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Electric Wizard21] * 2
    #23679503 - 09/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As a communist, I find the relative lack of hippies in the pub to be refreshing

The Psychedelic Experience forum is always waiting for you if you want a hippie circle jerk



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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23679518 - 09/26/16 11:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Smoke a joint and mellow out. Life is a joke you can either cry or laugh its the only choice you get. BTW I thought dumb and dumber was a movie? I guess life is stranger then fiction!


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: rider420]
    #23679558 - 09/26/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think either candidate is fit to to be president for the record. Both candidates are criminals IMO, now it's just about damage control.

Who will fuck up the United States less? Clinton or Trump?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: rider420]
    #23679559 - 09/26/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Omg racists :fatfear:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: rider420] * 6
    #23679568 - 09/26/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #23679590 - 09/26/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe there is almost zero chance of trump taking it.  After tonights debate all but the most invested trump supporters will be running in reverse. 

The only base he has is uneducated whites, they almost always vote red anyways.  Combine that with higher minority turnouts and we will be blue coast to coast.




"zero chance"

You're not too good with probabilities.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/26/trump-surges-in-the-polls-as-the-first-presidential-debate-with-clinton-looms.html

"he has is uneducated whites"

Yeah, that's the MSM narrative. I got news for you, every educated person I know is voting for Trump and every person they know that's educated is voting for Trump.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce] * 3
    #23679609 - 09/26/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We need to get primitive. :sunstone:






well Ogg, which do you prefer, getting your skull crushed with a heavy rock or skewered with a sharp stick?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23679610 - 09/26/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Reality isn't cool. Delusion leads to suffering.
If your grasp on reality is distorted the consequences of reality still apply to you. If you think you can go to harlem to get your drugs because you believe Blacks aren't actually much more violent then whites, reality still applies to you. believe me I'd rather be on shroomer island where we're all equal holding hands in the sun but that's not where I'm at and seriously doubt thats where you're at either.

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: qman]
    #23679652 - 09/26/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea qman everyone knows how reasonable you are when it comes to politics. Big wonder you and your educated friends are voting for trump. You don't come across as someone who would be able to maintain a friendship with those of differing opinions.

To the victor goes the spills,  err spoils.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #23679685 - 09/26/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yea qman everyone knows how reasonable you are when it comes to politics. Big wonder you and your educated friends are voting for trump. You don't come across as someone who would be able to maintain a friendship with those of differing opinions.

To the victor goes the spills,  err spoils.




I just don't understand why you would suggest that a Trump supporter MUST be uneducated?  You do realize many highly educated people want out immigration laws enforced and our global trade agreement renegotiated?

"friendship with those of differing opinions"

To be honest, I tend to avoid discussing politics with people other than close friends and family. So I do have friends that have different opinions.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23679757 - 09/26/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think either candidate is fit to to be president for the record. Both candidates are criminals IMO, now it's just about damage control.

Who will fuck up the United States less? Clinton or Trump?




exactly, imo Shrillary is less of a gamble and at least has experience going for her. However I'm fairly certain that Trump once he gets in will disappoint all of his followers quite quickly by making much less crazy decisions than they expect, and essentially working for the same interests as clinton. I'm pretty convinced the president is a lot less powerful than folks say, I mean they have entire established institutions counting on and pressuring them into staying in line, step out of line too much you get swatted so why risk it especially if you're an opportunist vulture, as most politicians and business men are


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: qman] * 1
    #23679775 - 09/26/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Most people with an education have a hard time overlooking trumps glaring failures to come up with any substantial policy towards any issue. That is also leaving out his massive character flaws including his making fun of a reporter with a physical disability,  referring to a woman reporter as being on her period,  his failure as a business man when that is his fake it to make it brand, his tragic support of traditional marriage, and continued flip flopping.

Just look at his position on fact checking due to his perpetual string of unfortunately for some successful lies.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57e7dd3fe4b08d73b831d272

Liberal source blah blah he still is wanting to sit up there and make up reality as he goes.

Politics is a great way of losing friends if people can't own up to the idea of different experiences and opinions.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #23679793 - 09/26/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I believe there is almost zero chance of trump taking it.  After tonights debate all but the most invested trump supporters will be running in reverse. 

The only base he has is uneducated whites, they almost always vote red anyways.  Combine that with higher minority turnouts and we will be blue coast to coast.




I found the term 'uneducated whites' to be racist. He has followers of all race, most won't admit it though.

The elections are a joke anyway. In all countries not just USA.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ReposadoXochipilli] * 1
    #23679846 - 09/26/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Donald Trrruuummmppp has had and is currently involved in some of the 3500 total lawsuits and counting. He is involved in 269 federal lawsuits....mostly from people he didn't pay....He still has several going from his failed Taj Majal deal in the 90's from all the people that didn't get paid after his chapter 11 filing.

He'll be in court all the time....lol..How could he take the time out to be president? No other businessman in his type of business has anywhere near as many lawsuits and certainly no elected president has ever had anywhere near his repertoire of disgruntled associates. My guess is that he'll just try to sue China for taking American jobs.lol


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23679865 - 09/26/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Donald Trrruuummmppp has had and is currently involved in some of the 3500 total lawsuits and counting. He is involved in 269 federal lawsuits....mostly from people he didn't pay....





let me guess, it doesnt matter thiat hillary has been under criminal investigation
or that she and her husband played a major part in the Iran/Contra scandal or that
hillary has also been the defendant in numerous lawsuits including a recent wrongful
death suit... cuz you know, she isnt trump


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23679881 - 09/26/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Apostle]
    #23679937 - 09/26/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We're talking about Hillary, right?...not Bill. And what exactly came out of these investigations other than conjecture and trash talk from the far right? Didn't hear about the wrongful death one but I'm sure you'll enlighten me. Also, I doubt they come anywhere near 3500. I doubt most law offices have even taken on 3500 suits in their entire history.

Pris, there is nothing endearing about that man yet you keep defending him...I don't get it....I know you're  a sharp guy.:shrug:maybe you just like to play the devils advocate and keep shit stirred up.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Apostle] * 1
    #23679967 - 09/26/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23679974 - 09/26/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.




it's worked thus far, also who exactly is the imminent threat to american security? the us military has the drop on everyone in terms of tech and spending, no one wants to take that on openly.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23679983 - 09/26/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We're talking about Hillary, right?...not Bill. And what exactly came out of these investigations other than conjecture and trash talk from the far right? Didn't hear about the wrongful death one but I'm sure you'll enlighten me. Also, I doubt they come anywhere near 3500. I doubt most law offices have even taken on 3500 suits in their entire history.

Pris, there is nothing endearing about that man yet you keep defending him...I don't get it....I know you're  a sharp guy.:shrug:maybe you just like to play the devils advocate and keep shit stirred up.





show me where I've defended trump and not simply pointed out that hillary is exactly
the same if not worse. it seems that liberals have difficulty making that distinction


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23679988 - 09/26/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.




Advocating open borders isn't "defending their country", it puts the nation at risk for crime, terrorism, and economic depression of US wages. You have no clue.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: qman] * 2
    #23680090 - 09/26/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

you're just talking.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23680356 - 09/26/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The staff has no structure in place to check the influence of trolls upon the enforcement of the rules, and the alt right advances its agenda via trolling. The fact that several mods and admins are card-carrying alt righters themselves doesn't make it any harder for the larger movement of right-wing antagonism to overcome the social-libertarian principles which prevail in terms of the shroomery's overall persuasion.

I think the rightward movement of the shroomery will lose its confidence and begin to abate when Trump gets reamed in Novemver, but until then we're liable to see xenophobia, bigotry and white supremacism continue to be increasingly accepted and propagated in the discourse here, as they have throughout the culture.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23680421 - 09/26/16 04:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's funny how predictable it all really is.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23680434 - 09/26/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I find it mostly just annoying. There's nothing more embarrassing than to hear social conservatives speaking from their desiccated little hearts. I'd prefer if they relearned their shame before November rolls around, but that's the earliest date we can really count on.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23680436 - 09/26/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We need to get primitive. :sunstone:





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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
    #23680476 - 09/26/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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it's funny how predictable it all really is.





such as the left throwing temper tantrums because they dont get their way


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23680479 - 09/26/16 05:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Rich


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 6
    #23680496 - 09/26/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The staff has no structure in place to check the influence of trolls upon the enforcement of the rules, and the alt right advances its agenda via trolling. The fact that several mods and admins are card-carrying alt righters themselves doesn't make it any harder for the larger movement of right-wing antagonism to overcome the social-libertarian principles which prevail in terms of the shroomery's overall persuasion.

I think the rightward movement of the shroomery will lose its confidence and begin to abate when Trump gets reamed in Novemver, but until then we're liable to see xenophobia, bigotry and white supremacism continue to be increasingly accepted and propagated in the discourse here, as they have throughout the culture.





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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23680510 - 09/26/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You just got +1ed for saying literally nothing :shrug:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680518 - 09/26/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You just got +1ed for saying literally nothing :shrug:





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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23680528 - 09/26/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:whatever:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23680555 - 09/26/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities. The idea is to purge social networks of opposition to far-right ideals of social Darwinism and racial purity.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1] * 1
    #23680579 - 09/26/16 05:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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it's funny how predictable it all really is.





such as the left throwing temper tantrums because they dont get their way


i was more referring to constant trigger to come in any thread to decry "the left", perpetuating the same level of butthurt SJWs have.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680593 - 09/26/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities.




PTSD? Don't play that card.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680607 - 09/26/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of card is that?


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    #23680621 - 09/26/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What kind of card is that?




PTSD is very real, and completely unrelated to this conversation. It also pisses me off on a personal level, because I can't even count the number of people I know that struggle with PTSD, and you're using it to fallaciously back your argument.


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    #23680642 - 09/26/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If I was "triggered" by the interactions I have here I wouldn't be here :shrug:

Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture. The underlying message sent by a mod posting that picture goes "weakness shall not be tolerated or accommodated here". Hostility for weakness is fundamental to far-right ideology, especially fascism.


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    #23680696 - 09/26/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If I was "triggered" by the interactions I have here I wouldn't be here :shrug:

Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture. The underlying message sent by a mod posting that picture goes "weakness shall not be tolerated or accommodated here". Hostility for weakness is fundamental to far-right ideology, especially fascism.




You are triggered by a lot of posts on here, I'm assuming it's mainly due to your innate insecurities.

Pris absolutely did not make a mockery of PTSD, I can say that because I was diagnosed with PTSD and depersonalization, probably as a direct result of watching helplessly as my friends slowly killed themselves to escape physical torture (there was a class action lawsuit that details what exactly went down). 

I saw pools of blood and dead bodies in my dreams for years and didn't feel human until I took seven grams of cubensis because I wanted to escape the false reality that I was living in, and it worked, I've recovered after forcefully resetting my brain with psychedelics, benzos, booze and a shitload of other drugs. I purposefully tried to fuck up my memory permanently, and after tens of thousands of doses benzos I still have an eidetic/flashbulb memory.

So fuck off with your bullshit claims about PTSD being mocked. You're the one being mocked here.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680726 - 09/26/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities. The idea is to purge social networks of opposition to far-right ideals of social Darwinism and racial purity.





isnt that a leftist ideology because that seems to be exactly what you've always
tried to do, you cant handle when someone's opinions dont align with your own so you
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680735 - 09/26/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I take PTSD quite seriously as a matter of necessity. My girlfriend has PTSD from serving in Karmah, Iraq, in 2006, among other things. She has nightmares too.

I have no doubt that I'm being mocked here, but I maintain that the mockery of vulnerability is a key element of far-right ideological warfare in the Internet age. This is true regardless to my own positioning in this discussion.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680751 - 09/26/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture.





exactly what sort of PTSD are we talking about, the kind where someone called you an
unkind name so you believe the whole world was against you because you choose to
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    #23680768 - 09/26/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I take PTSD quite seriously as a matter of necessity. My girlfriend has PTSD from serving in Karmah, Iraq, in 2006, among other things. She takes prescription drugs to sleep through her nightmares.





Wow. Now you're using someone else's PTSD to back your bullshit? You really don't get it do you?


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    #23680781 - 09/26/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No, I'm obviously not talking about that kind of "PTSD", but here you are, using language relating to coping strategies for a serious mental illness to deprecate my political stance. Thank you for illustrating my point for me.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680789 - 09/26/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I take PTSD quite seriously as a matter of necessity. My girlfriend has PTSD from serving in Karmah, Iraq, in 2006, among other things. She takes prescription drugs to sleep through her nightmares.





Wow. Now you're using someone else's PTSD to back your bullshit? You really don't get it do you?




You brought the conversation into the realm of the personal. I merely followed you there. I'm genuinely sorry if that was inappropriate for me to do so.


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    #23680833 - 09/26/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I'm obviously not talking about that kind of "PTSD", but here you are, using language relating to coping strategies for a serious mental illness to deprecate my political stance. Thank you for illustrating my point for me.




What the fuck do you mean by "that kind of 'PTSD'"? Do you mean the bullshit you imagine yourself having so you can justify your victimhood mentality to yourself? You claim to be a neuroscientist, do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

I wouldn't expect you to understand what it's like to have PTSD or depersonalization, but let me tell you I lost all fear of death or hell existing because I know there are worse things out there.

By continuing this conversation, you really are making yourself look like an ass. It's ok, we all make mistakes, and I'm not going to hold it against you in the future because I generally like you as a person. However, in this specific conversation you are acting like a real cunt.

EDIT: It was inappropriate for you to use PTSD to back your argument, and then continue using that as a defense. As far as me making it personal, you're the one that made it personal when you used a serious mental health issue to defend your bullshit.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680846 - 09/26/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

don't be foolish. she said that this kind of discussion gets brought up as a form of prevarication, to derail and level flame comments, you brought up that you've been effected by PTSD, congrats, you just made the same argument Sophist is making; you shouldn't be able to provoke someone just because you see that PTSD entered the discussion, when they take the subject seriously, just because you think they aren't being serious.

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    #23680896 - 09/26/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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don't be foolish. she said that this kind of discussion gets brought up as a form of prevarication, to derail and level flame comments, you brought up that you've been effected by PTSD, congrats, you just made the same argument Sophist is making; you shouldn't be able to provoke someone just because you see that PTSD entered the discussion, when they take the subject seriously, just because you think they aren't being serious.

now wtf gives you the right to do so?




I'm not evading jack shit -- by the way, I've never seen the word "prevarication" used before, ever. Evasion works just as well, and is more commonly understood. Using a thesaurus to boost your stance is just stupid dude.

She brought PTSD into the conversation to defend her bullshit argument, and that touched a nerve. I'm not making nearly the same argument that sophist is making, that's a classic false equivalency mixed with a strawman argument.

WTF gives me the right to call her out on this? Being clinically diagnosed with PTSD, and seeing a mental illness that I've experienced being misappropriated for the use in a fallacious argument. 

Throwing the term around casually decreases the legitimacy of the term, which in turn decreases the accuracy of how people perceive PTSD to be. It's not something that you just casually throw into an argument to win.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680936 - 09/26/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I'm obviously not talking about that kind of "PTSD", but here you are, using language relating to coping strategies for a serious mental illness to deprecate my political stance. Thank you for illustrating my point for me.





maybe you need to clarify since you claim I've made a mockery of PTSD


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    #23680996 - 09/26/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not evading jack shit -- by the way, I've never seen the word "prevarication" used before, ever. Evasion works just as well, and is more commonly understood. Using a thesaurus to boost your stance is just stupid dude.




that assumption is just so retarded. i've heard the word in a recent Meshuggah song...it's also a word i've happened to use, before ever looking it up; something i do frequently because i have a decent vocabulary, and my guesses at using certain terms to describe my thoughts are usually a good guess 90% of the time (i'll literally think of a word, look it up, lo' and behold, it's a real fuckin' word); just how i do...it's how i LEARN. prevarication is more alike to what you're doing as well. you're not "evading". you are intentionally misrepresenting the statements involved in this discussion, like many others, you're dissuading any real discussion on PTSD; not by using PTSD as an ad hominem, like most users, but nevertheless, you're just making Sophist out to be like she was trying to start something, some kind of offence, but she wasn't, and you either know it, or are just as easily dissuaded from discussing PTSD in a sensible way that caters to a discussion, instead of a promulgation of your dislike (like theirs) of the use of the term in the way it's used in the discussion, ie, it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card" by coalition B, so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.


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    #23681006 - 09/26/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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that assumption is just so retarded. i've heard the word in a recent Meshuggah song...it's also a word i've happened to use, before ever looking it up; something i do frequently because i have a decent vocabulary, and my guesses at using certain terms to describe my thoughts are usually a good guess 90% of the time (i'll literally think of a word, look it up, lo' and behold, it's a real fuckin' word); just how i do...it's how i LEARN. prevarication is more alike to what you're doing as well. you're not "evading". you are intentionally misrepresenting the statements involved in this discussion, like many others, you're dissuading any real discussion on PTSD; not by using PTSD as an ad hominem, like most users, but nevertheless, you're just making Sophist out to be like she was trying to start something, some kind of offence, but she wasn't, and you either know it, or are just as easily dissuaded from discussing PTSD in a sensible way that caters to a discussion, instead of a promulgation of their dislike of the use of the term in the way it's used in the discussion, ie, it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card", so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.




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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23681013 - 09/26/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

doesn't matter.

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it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card" by coalition B, so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.




your bullshit has been formulated into a theoretical model, and i think it holds up.

plus, you think i care? i like typing out just how fucktarded people are. it's a hobby.


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    #23681078 - 09/26/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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doesn't matter.

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it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card" by coalition B, so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.




your bullshit has been formulated into a theoretical model, and i think it holds up.

plus, you think i care? i like typing out just how fucktarded people are. it's a hobby.




Thank you for condensing that for me. I understand the point you're making, but I disagree fundamentally with your logic. Party A used a card which does not belong in this argument, Party B disagreed with the usage of Party A's card. I'm not using the PTSD card to win an argument, I'm simply defending proper usage of the term so that it retains it's true meaning.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23681095 - 09/26/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not using the PTSD card to win an argument, I'm simply defending proper usage of the term so that it retains it's true meaning.




i don't see it. you assumed Sophist had used the term improperly? i seriously don't see it. she made a reference to it, and you thought that that wouldn't fly, because you thought she was using it as some kind of crutch. you were wrong. she was literally pointing out that people will go after affecting those with "issues" because it suits them to do so, and that those kinds of people post here. that's it.


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    #23681118 - 09/26/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not using the PTSD card to win an argument, I'm simply defending proper usage of the term so that it retains it's true meaning.




i don't see it. you assumed Sophist had used the term improperly? i seriously don't see it. she made a reference to it, and you thought that that wouldn't fly, because you thought she was using it as some kind of crutch. you were wrong. she was literally pointing out that people will go after affecting those with "issues" because it suits them to do so, and that those kinds of people post here. that's it.




Well, this is where we fundamentally disagree. Can we pick this up tomorrow? I've been up for days and I'm currently having a hell of a time drinking and watching the presidential debate, and after that's done I need to work another twelve hours before I can sleep.


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    #23681192 - 09/26/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i remember the days when people said that a phrase like "uneducated blacks" wasn't racist (it isn't, literally), those were such good times.


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    #23681335 - 09/26/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.


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    #23681362 - 09/26/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.




Nice strawman.


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Much of the left's speech panders to the sentimental, the soft, the naive, the cowardly and those who self-gratify with insincere altruism. Who are these people? Young, spoiled fools who will never understand this world and old people who were too sheltered to learn anything about it.




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    #23681370 - 09/26/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i remember the days when people said that a phrase like "uneducated blacks" wasn't racist (it isn't, literally), those were such good times.




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    #23681374 - 09/26/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.




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    #23681384 - 09/26/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Isn't that pretty much the opposite of the psychedelic ethos?



Since when does the psychedelic ethos have a political agena?

Tonight donald trump looked like a bafoon and hillary clinton looked like a really bad con artist.  It really is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.  I mean it always is but this year it REALLLY is true.


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    #23681575 - 09/26/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23681672 - 09/26/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't care anymore the gene pool is corrupted beyond repair, let's just enjoy the implosion and all get along. Make the pub great again wooooo


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    #23681704 - 09/26/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i wouldn't want to try so hard to get along with the kind of people that exist on the planet. there is a reason so much retarded shit happens in this world...people are not deserving of the life they lead. in a world that holds up the mirror to the beholders eyes, this world would reflect many vain attempts to try and be "like the world", the world which at all turns is vile crap, and these people think "like the world", all at once, and what you see then is people just being so pointless, so futile, so abject, so full of absolute horseshit, that you'd rather see them get literally steamrolled, because that just wouldn't be so ugly. at least then the manifestation of the crude world wouldn't have to be witnessed to have such an effect on the human intellect.

we are in a constant elevation of the retarded intricacies of trying to make sense of the senselessness of it all. people might as well try and drool, meme, and lie to themselves, all the way to the top. i'll fix things...i'll appease these idiots. that's the goal. to convince morons that they are right for thinking their moronic thoughts.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23681723 - 09/26/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i sympathize with your misanthropy, largely because of my sobriety -which tends to make me hate people- but I think the important point you're missing is that the problem is not so much that people suck, but that people who could not suck are manipulated by political, economic, societal and media forces which all contrive to make them more and more ignorant, reactionary, weak, outright hostile to reason and logical thought and easily swayed by catch phrases, slogans and utterly transparent propaganda.

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    #23681729 - 09/26/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.


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    #23681735 - 09/26/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.




thing is, when people go for this line of thinking, they just...kinda miss the point. the system here, the left-right thing, is fine...only it's like the two sides, these days, are just sparring partners, ie, they are mutual friends, and they aren't even mutual competitors, just friends.

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23681736 - 09/26/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.



The whole left - right thing is not a form of control or false.  It's a spectrum of political values with the more liberal being left and the more conservative being right.  It's so easy a 5th grader can understand it.



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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma]
    #23681739 - 09/26/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i sympathize with your misanthropy, largely because of my sobriety -which tends to make me hate people- but I think the important point you're missing is that the problem is not so much that people suck, but that people who could not suck are manipulated by political, economic, societal and media forces which all contrive to make them more and more ignorant, reactionary, weak, outright hostile to reason and logical thought and easily swayed by catch phrases, slogans and utterly transparent propaganda.

I think given a chance, most people are good and admirable



yes, i am just smoking a bowl now...the misanthropy just lifts right off. better than Head-On!

PS: good point, Ezuma. i gotta admit most of the shit i post, in regards to my misanthropy and politics and shit, is hyperbole. i think it's obvious if i am really butthurt about something...snide-ness tends to hit the window at around that point, so you can tell...i think. if not, that's good too. gotta try and have fun with the world at large.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma] * 2
    #23681740 - 09/26/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i sympathize with your misanthropy, largely because of my sobriety -which tends to make me hate people- but I think the important point you're missing is that the problem is not so much that people suck, but that people who could not suck are manipulated by political, economic, societal and media forces which all contrive to make them more and more ignorant, reactionary, weak, outright hostile to reason and logical thought and easily swayed by catch phrases, slogans and utterly transparent propaganda.

I think given a chance, most people are good and admirable



I agree mostly, but some people are devious shits and trick one into thinking they are good/admirable to get something. I have been tricked by people due to my trusting gullible nature. I still give most people the benefit of the doubt. I refuse to get cold, hard, un-trusting, and too jaded or cynical.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23681744 - 09/26/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.




in the case of american politics largely yes
in the case of politics generally, philosophy and policy making, the right/left thing is largely a inconvenient over simplification but I do think there are important differences between different political ideologies, which in some countries actually manifest as some level of change


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23681790 - 09/26/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

oh ya for sure there are sociopaths and other devious bastards out there (most of those high ups imo in business and politics alike) so we can't be so open minded our brains fall out, but most people I think deserve the benefit of the doubt


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich] * 3
    #23681811 - 09/27/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The two party system over time has led to stagnation and apathy toward unilateral progress in actual government, which in turn has led presidents to [IMO] abuse their executive order powers, throwing checks-and-balances out the window.  The congress/senate political divide and abuses of power by POTUS demoralizes a voter base alienated from their self-interested representatives too busy playing a bigger game of power and control/keep-away from the other party to do anything else.  Third party candidates with alternative approaches are squelched by both major parties to keep the see-saw going in only two predictable directions.  This is why it's false. 
With a carefully constructed tug-of-war in place in the media spotlight, people choose a side like from a restaurant menu, giving them the warm fuzzies inside because now they're part of something bigger, something they can believe in... something righteous.  Now their ideas are prescribed and thinking deeply isn't required.  That's where they have the control.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23681817 - 09/27/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree
I know people hate to hear about Canada or anywhere that isn't america, but with all of our failings I think the multi-party system in Canada is a huge blessing, even though the NDP and Green Party have never been elected, their presence keeps the Liberals and Conservatives on their toes and helps bring up issues that would otherwise be untouched.

If I was american I don't know if I'd even bother voting, I mean what does it change really?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23681851 - 09/27/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If I was american I don't know if I'd even bother voting, I mean what does it change really?




This is an all-too-common sentiment in the USA.  The theory is that more stable governments have less voter participation, but I think the lack of participation in America is increasingly based on voter disenfranchisement and apathy.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #23681856 - 09/27/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

for sure, especially since the two parties don't live up to their own rhetoric -which is already not that different from one another at least prior to this election- and end up acting in the same ways, excluding a few fringe issues: both parties are in the pocket of major corporations and the big banks, both parties belong to the military industrial complex and work to further it, both parties are corrupt and care little for the poor, minorities, or human rights in general

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23681864 - 09/27/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

from what i've read on the Ancient Greeks, there seems to be a grave distinction in how people treated civics. in modern civics, the government is given much more work to do than in the past, and this is taxing.

i believe -- though this is just a theory -- that perhaps more voluntarism would help provide a better contextual understanding of just how much work it is, and how easy it is to slip-up, when doing the work of administrating and doing one's civic duty.

in the US and North America...it seems this is not a major component in the pedagogy or in the media, within most families; though some trades are ever passed down in learning (if the receptiveness is there), i must note that -- this accounts for the notion of "focus on trade skills", and the mentality of "get a diploma that pays". because we focus on businesses, government, and banks, and how they can help us out with our lofty conditioned life styles -- sorry to put it so bluntly. most of the world isn't like that. sometimes the slack needs to be picked up by more than bureaus.

i'm Prisoner would agree with me, even, and most posters, but they won't say anything.... :smirk:

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23681973 - 09/27/16 01:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities. The idea is to purge social networks of opposition to far-right ideals of social Darwinism and racial purity.




Yea it's all one big conspiracy bro :dawerp:.

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23681989 - 09/27/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You wont have to try too hard to get along with others as long as you still live with your parents :cookiemonster:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #23681992 - 09/27/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sophist is right that people in the right are spreading that kind of message. if you don't realize this...simply visit any where on the internet that isn't Twitter or a Facebook/Tumblr equivalent. look on youtube...or 4chan...there are these ideals being spread. there is literally a new trope online, along with the Joos are evil trope, there is the "Hitler had the right idea" trope. i mean, you can see this shit with your own two eyes. :shrug:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23681994 - 09/27/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The two party system over time has led to stagnation and apathy toward unilateral progress in actual government, which in turn has led presidents to [IMO] abuse their executive order powers, throwing checks-and-balances out the window.  The congress/senate political divide and abuses of power by POTUS demoralizes a voter base alienated from their self-interested representatives too busy playing a bigger game of power and control/keep-away from the other party to do anything else.  Third party candidates with alternative approaches are squelched by both major parties to keep the see-saw going in only two predictable directions.  This is why it's false. 
With a carefully constructed tug-of-war in place in the media spotlight, people choose a side like from a restaurant menu, giving them the warm fuzzies inside because now they're part of something bigger, something they can believe in... something righteous.  Now their ideas are prescribed and thinking deeply isn't required.  That's where they have the control.




Yeah, its all a load of shit right now.

On a federal level the two parties are 2 sides of the same coin, and the vast majority continue voting for them, making them untouchable. Even if both parties actually adhered to their platforms they would still be shit.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: stzacrack]
    #23681995 - 09/27/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You wont have to try too hard to get along with others as long as you still live with your parents :cookiemonster:



what? can you at least, when speaking to me, make reference to something?

get along with others? wtf are you talking about? when did i say anything about that?

see, i wouldn't want to live with someone who does what you just did, like all the time...i mean, just an unthinking blather, consistently? i'd be pressured to be very very bad. you wouldn't want that. neither would i. it's best that i keep away from idiocy.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23681999 - 09/27/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sophist is right that people in the right are spreading that kind of message. if you don't realize this...simply visit any where on the internet that isn't Twitter or a Facebook/Tumblr equivalent. look on youtube...or 4chan...there are these ideals being spread. there is literally a new trope online, along with the Joos are evil trope, there is the "Hitler had the right idea" trope. i mean, you can see this shit with your own two eyes. :shrug:




Youtube and 4chan?

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23682003 - 09/27/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

U said
"i wouldn't want to try so hard to get along with the kind of people that exist on the planet."



Edited by stzacrack (09/27/16 02:10 AM)


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23682030 - 09/27/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sophist is right that people in the right are spreading that kind of message. if you don't realize this...simply visit any where on the internet that isn't Twitter or a Facebook/Tumblr equivalent. look on youtube...or 4chan...there are these ideals being spread. there is literally a new trope online, along with the Joos are evil trope, there is the "Hitler had the right idea" trope. i mean, you can see this shit with your own two eyes. :shrug:




Youtube and 4chan?

:canthelpbutlaugh:



and places i don't ordinary hear of and/or go. what's your point? are you saying that there are no ideals online involving eugenics, naturalistic fallacy, "Hitler was right" purveyors?

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U said
"i wouldn't want to try so hard to get along with the kind of people that exist on the planet."




ok, on the page already past, and i was being rhetorical, i said "i wouldn't want", doesn't mean i shant. so what's your point?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: hostileuniverse] * 1
    #23682258 - 09/27/16 06:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:




Neither Trump nor Hillary have any intention to protect you or your family. All they care about is them and their buddies making mad stacks, and we're all being played the fool.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23682278 - 09/27/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You wont have to try too hard to get along with others as long as you still live with your parents :cookiemonster:



what? can you at least, when speaking to me, make reference to something?

get along with others? wtf are you talking about? when did i say anything about that?

see, i wouldn't want to live with someone who does what you just did, like all the time...i mean, just an unthinking blather, consistently? i'd be pressured to be very very bad. you wouldn't want that. neither would i. it's best that i keep away from idiocy.




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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23682332 - 09/27/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We need to get primitive. :sunstone:






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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #23682473 - 09/27/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.





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    #23682484 - 09/27/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.








Now, you do understand.. somehwere.. that the refugees from Syria..

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Turtletotem]
    #23682500 - 09/27/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They're certainly better at it than those dead french people.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23682514 - 09/27/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If I was "triggered" by the interactions I have here I wouldn't be here :shrug:

Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture. The underlying message sent by a mod posting that picture goes "weakness shall not be tolerated or accommodated here". Hostility for weakness is fundamental to far-right ideology, especially fascism.




You are triggered by a lot of posts on here, I'm assuming it's mainly due to your innate insecurities.

Pris absolutely did not make a mockery of PTSD, I can say that because I was diagnosed with PTSD and depersonalization, probably as a direct result of watching helplessly as my friends slowly killed themselves to escape physical torture (there was a class action lawsuit that details what exactly went down). 

I saw pools of blood and dead bodies in my dreams for years and didn't feel human until I took seven grams of cubensis because I wanted to escape the false reality that I was living in, and it worked, I've recovered after forcefully resetting my brain with psychedelics, benzos, booze and a shitload of other drugs. I purposefully tried to fuck up my memory permanently, and after tens of thousands of doses benzos I still have an eidetic/flashbulb memory.

So fuck off with your bullshit claims about PTSD being mocked. You're the one being mocked here.



That sounds horrible dude....what happened?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
    #23682568 - 09/27/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.




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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23682670 - 09/27/16 09:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Far right isn't the majority they just bark the most
I think most of the left here isn't here to banter on politics

Gives the impression there's more conservatives


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    #23682957 - 09/27/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.








oh, look, a single doctored photograph... WELL I'M CONVINCED!

dude we get it you hate muslims, that's cool and all, but you recall who led us into the shitshow of the middle east, stirring up this hornet's nest in the first place?
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma]
    #23682998 - 09/27/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

And all for oil/power/money.:sad:


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    #23683033 - 09/27/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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And all for oil/power/money.:sad:




sadly like more or less every war in history

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    #23684359 - 09/27/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Much of the left's speech panders to the sentimental, the soft, the naive, the cowardly and those who self-gratify with insincere altruism. Who are these people? Young, spoiled fools who will never understand this world and old people who were too sheltered to learn anything about it.




:typingdog:




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    #23684959 - 09/27/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was impersonating you rhetorically, that paragraph doesn't represent my views

The left vs right paradigm is bullshit


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    #23684962 - 09/27/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I keep thinking this fucking thread is called "A rise of the bar fight in the pub" and I get all excited.  It keeps happening.


The only thing rising in the pub is posters.


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    #23685459 - 09/28/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I was impersonating you rhetorically, that paragraph doesn't represent my views

The left vs right paradigm is bullshit




i would agree that the differences as far as what people actually want from government between left and right are not as significant as they are marketed to be. i would also agree that there isn't much of a difference between the two parties because they both represent the same sets of elite interest (albeit to varying degrees in certain cases). but i stand by my critique of the right's marketing tactics as well as my observation of who those tactics seem to mostly target.


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Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right":facepalm:



+1



the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.








The modern right wing movement is almost entirely fear based.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685490 - 09/28/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, and what does the left wing do? Just as much fear mongering, except it's against republicans, not terrorists or criminals :lol:


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy] * 2
    #23685502 - 09/28/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I was impersonating you rhetorically, that paragraph doesn't represent my views

The left vs right paradigm is bullshit




i would agree that the differences as far as what people actually want from government between left and right are not as significant as they are marketed to be. i would also agree that there isn't much of a difference between the two parties because they both represent the same sets of elite interest (albeit to varying degrees in certain cases). but i stand by my critique of the right's marketing tactics as well as my observation of who those tactics seem to mostly target.




It's just fashionable cynicism to say there's no real difference between the parties. Whether or not poor people have access to health insurance, drug addicts have access to social services, what kind of gun you can buy or who is permitted to carry one depends almost entirely on which party controls your state government.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685610 - 09/28/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's just fashionable cynicism to say there's no real difference between the parties. Whether or not poor people have access to health insurance, drug addicts have access to social services, what kind of gun you can buy or who is permitted to carry one depends almost entirely on which party controls your state government.




i think it's warranted cynicism though, even if it is thoughtless in some cases, even if one party does a little better than the other on certain things.

suppose every state had the furthest left policies and services government can currently offer. we would still be hip deep in shit because we need more radical reforms than either party is truly willing to commit to.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy]
    #23685617 - 09/28/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"Radical reforms" only happen in dictatorships where the government has unlimited power to do what they want with no opposition. In a democracy, every side has a voice and only consensus brings about change and our constitution places many obstables to fundamental change.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23685626 - 09/28/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685640 - 09/28/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.




"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"

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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23685651 - 09/28/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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"Radical reforms" only happen in dictatorships where the government has unlimited power to do what they want with no opposition. In a democracy, every side has a voice and only consensus brings about change and our constitution places many obstables to fundamental change.




abolition was a radical reform. so was the success of female suffrage and the black civil rights movement (in so far as they were able to succeed; we still have work to do on both fronts). state sanctioned gay marriage was a radical reform. in none of those cases was a consensus reached. but by your reasoning, they were all done on behalf of tyranny. if that is what you truly think, then you do not understand democracy, much less our democracy.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: qman]
    #23685698 - 09/28/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.




"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"

Examples?




The electoral college. 2 year terms for congress. Frankly, the executive/legislative thing is flawed. The parliamentary system is much more robust and practical.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685703 - 09/28/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was reminded by a qman post in another thread of what truly distinguishes the right wing in America: a total lack of empathy for anyone outside your tribe.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685770 - 09/28/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.




"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"

Examples?




The electoral college. 2 year terms for congress. Frankly, the executive/legislative thing is flawed. The parliamentary system is much more robust and practical.




Ok, those are legitimate in my opinion.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685777 - 09/28/16 08:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The modern right wing movement is almost entirely fear based.






what was that? trump will use nukes and destroy the world?
what was that? trump is a racist?
what was that? trump's father was a klansman?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
    #23685781 - 09/28/16 08:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.




"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"

Examples?




The electoral college. 2 year terms for congress. Frankly, the executive/legislative thing is flawed. The parliamentary system is much more robust and practical.





is that why England and Canada have a growing violent crime problem?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23688985 - 09/28/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In Brittain at least, it's the out of control alcohol problem that sweeps the nation that might have something to do with the rising violence.


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