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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
#23682568 - 09/27/16 09:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.
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Far right isn't the majority they just bark the most I think most of the left here isn't here to banter on politics
Gives the impression there's more conservatives
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Apostle]
#23682957 - 09/27/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right"
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the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.

oh, look, a single doctored photograph... WELL I'M CONVINCED!
dude we get it you hate muslims, that's cool and all, but you recall who led us into the shitshow of the middle east, stirring up this hornet's nest in the first place? THE RIGHT
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma]
#23682998 - 09/27/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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And all for oil/power/money.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23683033 - 09/27/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: And all for oil/power/money.
sadly like more or less every war in history
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Repertoire89]
#23684359 - 09/27/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Much of the left's speech panders to the sentimental, the soft, the naive, the cowardly and those who self-gratify with insincere altruism. Who are these people? Young, spoiled fools who will never understand this world and old people who were too sheltered to learn anything about it.

just curious - which of those categories would i fall into with your clever play on my remarks?
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy] 1
#23684959 - 09/27/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was impersonating you rhetorically, that paragraph doesn't represent my views
The left vs right paradigm is bullshit
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Rise of a bra fight in the pub [Re: Repertoire89] 2
#23684962 - 09/27/16 11:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I keep thinking this fucking thread is called "A rise of the bar fight in the pub" and I get all excited. It keeps happening.
The only thing rising in the pub is posters.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Repertoire89]
#23685459 - 09/28/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: I was impersonating you rhetorically, that paragraph doesn't represent my views
The left vs right paradigm is bullshit
i would agree that the differences as far as what people actually want from government between left and right are not as significant as they are marketed to be. i would also agree that there isn't much of a difference between the two parties because they both represent the same sets of elite interest (albeit to varying degrees in certain cases). but i stand by my critique of the right's marketing tactics as well as my observation of who those tactics seem to mostly target.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Apostle]
#23685488 - 09/28/16 05:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right"
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the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.

The modern right wing movement is almost entirely fear based.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
#23685490 - 09/28/16 05:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol, and what does the left wing do? Just as much fear mongering, except it's against republicans, not terrorists or criminals
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy] 2
#23685502 - 09/28/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: I was impersonating you rhetorically, that paragraph doesn't represent my views
The left vs right paradigm is bullshit
i would agree that the differences as far as what people actually want from government between left and right are not as significant as they are marketed to be. i would also agree that there isn't much of a difference between the two parties because they both represent the same sets of elite interest (albeit to varying degrees in certain cases). but i stand by my critique of the right's marketing tactics as well as my observation of who those tactics seem to mostly target.
It's just fashionable cynicism to say there's no real difference between the parties. Whether or not poor people have access to health insurance, drug addicts have access to social services, what kind of gun you can buy or who is permitted to carry one depends almost entirely on which party controls your state government.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
#23685610 - 09/28/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's just fashionable cynicism to say there's no real difference between the parties. Whether or not poor people have access to health insurance, drug addicts have access to social services, what kind of gun you can buy or who is permitted to carry one depends almost entirely on which party controls your state government.
i think it's warranted cynicism though, even if it is thoughtless in some cases, even if one party does a little better than the other on certain things.
suppose every state had the furthest left policies and services government can currently offer. we would still be hip deep in shit because we need more radical reforms than either party is truly willing to commit to.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy]
#23685617 - 09/28/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Radical reforms" only happen in dictatorships where the government has unlimited power to do what they want with no opposition. In a democracy, every side has a voice and only consensus brings about change and our constitution places many obstables to fundamental change.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23685626 - 09/28/16 07:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
#23685640 - 09/28/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.
"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"
Examples?
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
#23685651 - 09/28/16 07:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ohcrapitsnico said: "Radical reforms" only happen in dictatorships where the government has unlimited power to do what they want with no opposition. In a democracy, every side has a voice and only consensus brings about change and our constitution places many obstables to fundamental change.
abolition was a radical reform. so was the success of female suffrage and the black civil rights movement (in so far as they were able to succeed; we still have work to do on both fronts). state sanctioned gay marriage was a radical reform. in none of those cases was a consensus reached. but by your reasoning, they were all done on behalf of tyranny. if that is what you truly think, then you do not understand democracy, much less our democracy.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: qman]
#23685698 - 09/28/16 08:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.
"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"
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The electoral college. 2 year terms for congress. Frankly, the executive/legislative thing is flawed. The parliamentary system is much more robust and practical.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
#23685703 - 09/28/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was reminded by a qman post in another thread of what truly distinguishes the right wing in America: a total lack of empathy for anyone outside your tribe.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: koods]
#23685770 - 09/28/16 08:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Unfortunately, the way politics work in this country is due to the constitutionally prescribed structure of the government. Real reform will require constitutional changes to some of the truly boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with.
"boneheaded ideas the founding fathers came up with"
Examples?
The electoral college. 2 year terms for congress. Frankly, the executive/legislative thing is flawed. The parliamentary system is much more robust and practical.
Ok, those are legitimate in my opinion.
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