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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich] 3
#23681811 - 09/27/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The two party system over time has led to stagnation and apathy toward unilateral progress in actual government, which in turn has led presidents to [IMO] abuse their executive order powers, throwing checks-and-balances out the window. The congress/senate political divide and abuses of power by POTUS demoralizes a voter base alienated from their self-interested representatives too busy playing a bigger game of power and control/keep-away from the other party to do anything else. Third party candidates with alternative approaches are squelched by both major parties to keep the see-saw going in only two predictable directions. This is why it's false. With a carefully constructed tug-of-war in place in the media spotlight, people choose a side like from a restaurant menu, giving them the warm fuzzies inside because now they're part of something bigger, something they can believe in... something righteous. Now their ideas are prescribed and thinking deeply isn't required. That's where they have the control.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
#23681817 - 09/27/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree I know people hate to hear about Canada or anywhere that isn't america, but with all of our failings I think the multi-party system in Canada is a huge blessing, even though the NDP and Green Party have never been elected, their presence keeps the Liberals and Conservatives on their toes and helps bring up issues that would otherwise be untouched.
If I was american I don't know if I'd even bother voting, I mean what does it change really?
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23681851 - 09/27/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: If I was american I don't know if I'd even bother voting, I mean what does it change really?
This is an all-too-common sentiment in the USA. The theory is that more stable governments have less voter participation, but I think the lack of participation in America is increasingly based on voter disenfranchisement and apathy.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich] 1
#23681856 - 09/27/16 12:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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for sure, especially since the two parties don't live up to their own rhetoric -which is already not that different from one another at least prior to this election- and end up acting in the same ways, excluding a few fringe issues: both parties are in the pocket of major corporations and the big banks, both parties belong to the military industrial complex and work to further it, both parties are corrupt and care little for the poor, minorities, or human rights in general
on a few social issues democrats are preferable imo, but the differences are slight
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akira_akuma
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
#23681864 - 09/27/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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from what i've read on the Ancient Greeks, there seems to be a grave distinction in how people treated civics. in modern civics, the government is given much more work to do than in the past, and this is taxing.
i believe -- though this is just a theory -- that perhaps more voluntarism would help provide a better contextual understanding of just how much work it is, and how easy it is to slip-up, when doing the work of administrating and doing one's civic duty.
in the US and North America...it seems this is not a major component in the pedagogy or in the media, within most families; though some trades are ever passed down in learning (if the receptiveness is there), i must note that -- this accounts for the notion of "focus on trade skills", and the mentality of "get a diploma that pays". because we focus on businesses, government, and banks, and how they can help us out with our lofty conditioned life styles -- sorry to put it so bluntly. most of the world isn't like that. sometimes the slack needs to be picked up by more than bureaus.
i'm Prisoner would agree with me, even, and most posters, but they won't say anything.... 
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Sophistic Radiance said: The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities. The idea is to purge social networks of opposition to far-right ideals of social Darwinism and racial purity.
Yea it's all one big conspiracy bro .
Get over yourself dood
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23681989 - 09/27/16 01:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You wont have to try too hard to get along with others as long as you still live with your parents
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akira_akuma
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: stzacrack] 1
#23681992 - 09/27/16 02:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sophist is right that people in the right are spreading that kind of message. if you don't realize this...simply visit any where on the internet that isn't Twitter or a Facebook/Tumblr equivalent. look on youtube...or 4chan...there are these ideals being spread. there is literally a new trope online, along with the Joos are evil trope, there is the "Hitler had the right idea" trope. i mean, you can see this shit with your own two eyes.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
#23681994 - 09/27/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: The two party system over time has led to stagnation and apathy toward unilateral progress in actual government, which in turn has led presidents to [IMO] abuse their executive order powers, throwing checks-and-balances out the window. The congress/senate political divide and abuses of power by POTUS demoralizes a voter base alienated from their self-interested representatives too busy playing a bigger game of power and control/keep-away from the other party to do anything else. Third party candidates with alternative approaches are squelched by both major parties to keep the see-saw going in only two predictable directions. This is why it's false. With a carefully constructed tug-of-war in place in the media spotlight, people choose a side like from a restaurant menu, giving them the warm fuzzies inside because now they're part of something bigger, something they can believe in... something righteous. Now their ideas are prescribed and thinking deeply isn't required. That's where they have the control.
Yeah, its all a load of shit right now.
On a federal level the two parties are 2 sides of the same coin, and the vast majority continue voting for them, making them untouchable. Even if both parties actually adhered to their platforms they would still be shit.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: stzacrack]
#23681995 - 09/27/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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stzacrack said: You wont have to try too hard to get along with others as long as you still live with your parents 
what? can you at least, when speaking to me, make reference to something?
get along with others? wtf are you talking about? when did i say anything about that?
see, i wouldn't want to live with someone who does what you just did, like all the time...i mean, just an unthinking blather, consistently? i'd be pressured to be very very bad. you wouldn't want that. neither would i. it's best that i keep away from idiocy.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681999 - 09/27/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Sophist is right that people in the right are spreading that kind of message. if you don't realize this...simply visit any where on the internet that isn't Twitter or a Facebook/Tumblr equivalent. look on youtube...or 4chan...there are these ideals being spread. there is literally a new trope online, along with the Joos are evil trope, there is the "Hitler had the right idea" trope. i mean, you can see this shit with your own two eyes. 
Youtube and 4chan?
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23682003 - 09/27/16 02:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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U said "i wouldn't want to try so hard to get along with the kind of people that exist on the planet."
Edited by stzacrack (09/27/16 02:10 AM)
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akira_akuma
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
#23682030 - 09/27/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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falsereality said:
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akira_akuma said: Sophist is right that people in the right are spreading that kind of message. if you don't realize this...simply visit any where on the internet that isn't Twitter or a Facebook/Tumblr equivalent. look on youtube...or 4chan...there are these ideals being spread. there is literally a new trope online, along with the Joos are evil trope, there is the "Hitler had the right idea" trope. i mean, you can see this shit with your own two eyes. 
Youtube and 4chan?

and places i don't ordinary hear of and/or go. what's your point? are you saying that there are no ideals online involving eugenics, naturalistic fallacy, "Hitler was right" purveyors?
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stzacrack said: U said "i wouldn't want to try so hard to get along with the kind of people that exist on the planet."
ok, on the page already past, and i was being rhetorical, i said "i wouldn't want", doesn't mean i shant. so what's your point?
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qman said:
Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right"
Neither Trump nor Hillary have any intention to protect you or your family. All they care about is them and their buddies making mad stacks, and we're all being played the fool.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23682278 - 09/27/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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stzacrack said: You wont have to try too hard to get along with others as long as you still live with your parents 
what? can you at least, when speaking to me, make reference to something?
get along with others? wtf are you talking about? when did i say anything about that?
see, i wouldn't want to live with someone who does what you just did, like all the time...i mean, just an unthinking blather, consistently? i'd be pressured to be very very bad. you wouldn't want that. neither would i. it's best that i keep away from idiocy.
It's not other peoples fault you're an angry bastard
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23682332 - 09/27/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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We need to get primitive. 
well Ogg, which do you prefer, getting your skull crushed with a heavy rock or skewered with a sharp stick?
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23682473 - 09/27/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right"
+1
the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Apostle] 1
#23682484 - 09/27/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apostle said:
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hostileuniverse said: Suddenly wanting to protect your country, family, and economy is considered "far right"
+1
the left seems to have no problem defending their country and family and economy.

Now, you do understand.. somehwere.. that the refugees from Syria..
ARE RUNNING FROM THESE TERRORIST FUCKS??!
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Turtletotem]
#23682500 - 09/27/16 08:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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They're certainly better at it than those dead french people.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
#23682514 - 09/27/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sophistic Radiance said: If I was "triggered" by the interactions I have here I wouldn't be here 
Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture. The underlying message sent by a mod posting that picture goes "weakness shall not be tolerated or accommodated here". Hostility for weakness is fundamental to far-right ideology, especially fascism.
You are triggered by a lot of posts on here, I'm assuming it's mainly due to your innate insecurities.
Pris absolutely did not make a mockery of PTSD, I can say that because I was diagnosed with PTSD and depersonalization, probably as a direct result of watching helplessly as my friends slowly killed themselves to escape physical torture (there was a class action lawsuit that details what exactly went down).
I saw pools of blood and dead bodies in my dreams for years and didn't feel human until I took seven grams of cubensis because I wanted to escape the false reality that I was living in, and it worked, I've recovered after forcefully resetting my brain with psychedelics, benzos, booze and a shitload of other drugs. I purposefully tried to fuck up my memory permanently, and after tens of thousands of doses benzos I still have an eidetic/flashbulb memory.
So fuck off with your bullshit claims about PTSD being mocked. You're the one being mocked here.
That sounds horrible dude....what happened?
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