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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681118 - 09/26/16 08:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not using the PTSD card to win an argument, I'm simply defending proper usage of the term so that it retains it's true meaning.
i don't see it. you assumed Sophist had used the term improperly? i seriously don't see it. she made a reference to it, and you thought that that wouldn't fly, because you thought she was using it as some kind of crutch. you were wrong. she was literally pointing out that people will go after affecting those with "issues" because it suits them to do so, and that those kinds of people post here. that's it.
Well, this is where we fundamentally disagree. Can we pick this up tomorrow? I've been up for days and I'm currently having a hell of a time drinking and watching the presidential debate, and after that's done I need to work another twelve hours before I can sleep.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Hobozen]
#23681192 - 09/26/16 08:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i remember the days when people said that a phrase like "uneducated blacks" wasn't racist (it isn't, literally), those were such good times.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681335 - 09/26/16 09:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy]
#23681362 - 09/26/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.
Nice strawman.
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Much of the left's speech panders to the sentimental, the soft, the naive, the cowardly and those who self-gratify with insincere altruism. Who are these people? Young, spoiled fools who will never understand this world and old people who were too sheltered to learn anything about it.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681370 - 09/26/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i remember the days when people said that a phrase like "uneducated blacks" wasn't racist (it isn't, literally), those were such good times.
Welcome to the current year!
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy]
#23681374 - 09/26/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.
no u haven't learned anything
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: millzy]
#23681382 - 09/26/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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millzy said: much of the right's speech panders to the callous, the cruel, the foolish, the fearful and the pathologically self-centered. who are these people? young people who don't know anything about the world and old people who have long forgotten anything they've ever learned about it. we have no shortage of the former.
Still making no sense.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce] 1
#23681384 - 09/26/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LobsterSauce said: Isn't that pretty much the opposite of the psychedelic ethos?
Since when does the psychedelic ethos have a political agena?
Tonight donald trump looked like a bafoon and hillary clinton looked like a really bad con artist. It really is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich. I mean it always is but this year it REALLLY is true.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Hobozen]
#23681575 - 09/26/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i remember the days when people said that a phrase like "uneducated blacks" wasn't racist (it isn't, literally), those were such good times.
Welcome to the current year!
meaningless meme reference.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681672 - 09/26/16 11:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't care anymore the gene pool is corrupted beyond repair, let's just enjoy the implosion and all get along. Make the pub great again wooooo
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma]
#23681704 - 09/26/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i wouldn't want to try so hard to get along with the kind of people that exist on the planet. there is a reason so much retarded shit happens in this world...people are not deserving of the life they lead. in a world that holds up the mirror to the beholders eyes, this world would reflect many vain attempts to try and be "like the world", the world which at all turns is vile crap, and these people think "like the world", all at once, and what you see then is people just being so pointless, so futile, so abject, so full of absolute horseshit, that you'd rather see them get literally steamrolled, because that just wouldn't be so ugly. at least then the manifestation of the crude world wouldn't have to be witnessed to have such an effect on the human intellect.
we are in a constant elevation of the retarded intricacies of trying to make sense of the senselessness of it all. people might as well try and drool, meme, and lie to themselves, all the way to the top. i'll fix things...i'll appease these idiots. that's the goal. to convince morons that they are right for thinking their moronic thoughts.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681723 - 09/26/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i sympathize with your misanthropy, largely because of my sobriety -which tends to make me hate people- but I think the important point you're missing is that the problem is not so much that people suck, but that people who could not suck are manipulated by political, economic, societal and media forces which all contrive to make them more and more ignorant, reactionary, weak, outright hostile to reason and logical thought and easily swayed by catch phrases, slogans and utterly transparent propaganda.
I think given a chance, most people are good and admirable
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: LobsterSauce] 2
#23681729 - 09/26/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich] 1
#23681735 - 09/26/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.
thing is, when people go for this line of thinking, they just...kinda miss the point. the system here, the left-right thing, is fine...only it's like the two sides, these days, are just sparring partners, ie, they are mutual friends, and they aren't even mutual competitors, just friends.
so nothing evolves.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
#23681736 - 09/26/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.
The whole left - right thing is not a form of control or false. It's a spectrum of political values with the more liberal being left and the more conservative being right. It's so easy a 5th grader can understand it.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma]
#23681739 - 09/26/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: i sympathize with your misanthropy, largely because of my sobriety -which tends to make me hate people- but I think the important point you're missing is that the problem is not so much that people suck, but that people who could not suck are manipulated by political, economic, societal and media forces which all contrive to make them more and more ignorant, reactionary, weak, outright hostile to reason and logical thought and easily swayed by catch phrases, slogans and utterly transparent propaganda.
I think given a chance, most people are good and admirable
yes, i am just smoking a bowl now...the misanthropy just lifts right off. better than Head-On!
PS: good point, Ezuma. i gotta admit most of the shit i post, in regards to my misanthropy and politics and shit, is hyperbole. i think it's obvious if i am really butthurt about something...snide-ness tends to hit the window at around that point, so you can tell...i think. if not, that's good too. gotta try and have fun with the world at large.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23681740 - 09/26/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ezuma said: i sympathize with your misanthropy, largely because of my sobriety -which tends to make me hate people- but I think the important point you're missing is that the problem is not so much that people suck, but that people who could not suck are manipulated by political, economic, societal and media forces which all contrive to make them more and more ignorant, reactionary, weak, outright hostile to reason and logical thought and easily swayed by catch phrases, slogans and utterly transparent propaganda.
I think given a chance, most people are good and admirable
I agree mostly, but some people are devious shits and trick one into thinking they are good/admirable to get something. I have been tricked by people due to my trusting gullible nature. I still give most people the benefit of the doubt. I refuse to get cold, hard, un-trusting, and too jaded or cynical.
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: abltsandwich]
#23681744 - 09/26/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: The whole left-right thing is a form of control known as bicameralism a false dichotomy.
in the case of american politics largely yes in the case of politics generally, philosophy and policy making, the right/left thing is largely a inconvenient over simplification but I do think there are important differences between different political ideologies, which in some countries actually manifest as some level of change
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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23681790 - 09/26/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh ya for sure there are sociopaths and other devious bastards out there (most of those high ups imo in business and politics alike) so we can't be so open minded our brains fall out, but most people I think deserve the benefit of the doubt
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