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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680593 - 09/26/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities.




PTSD? Don't play that card.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680607 - 09/26/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What kind of card is that?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23680621 - 09/26/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What kind of card is that?




PTSD is very real, and completely unrelated to this conversation. It also pisses me off on a personal level, because I can't even count the number of people I know that struggle with PTSD, and you're using it to fallaciously back your argument.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality] * 1
    #23680642 - 09/26/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If I was "triggered" by the interactions I have here I wouldn't be here :shrug:

Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture. The underlying message sent by a mod posting that picture goes "weakness shall not be tolerated or accommodated here". Hostility for weakness is fundamental to far-right ideology, especially fascism.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23680696 - 09/26/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If I was "triggered" by the interactions I have here I wouldn't be here :shrug:

Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture. The underlying message sent by a mod posting that picture goes "weakness shall not be tolerated or accommodated here". Hostility for weakness is fundamental to far-right ideology, especially fascism.




You are triggered by a lot of posts on here, I'm assuming it's mainly due to your innate insecurities.

Pris absolutely did not make a mockery of PTSD, I can say that because I was diagnosed with PTSD and depersonalization, probably as a direct result of watching helplessly as my friends slowly killed themselves to escape physical torture (there was a class action lawsuit that details what exactly went down). 

I saw pools of blood and dead bodies in my dreams for years and didn't feel human until I took seven grams of cubensis because I wanted to escape the false reality that I was living in, and it worked, I've recovered after forcefully resetting my brain with psychedelics, benzos, booze and a shitload of other drugs. I purposefully tried to fuck up my memory permanently, and after tens of thousands of doses benzos I still have an eidetic/flashbulb memory.

So fuck off with your bullshit claims about PTSD being mocked. You're the one being mocked here.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680726 - 09/26/16 06:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sophistic Radiance said:
The targeting of vulnerable classes (such as sufferers of PTSD, in this instance) for mockery, harassment and ultimately ostracism is a coenerstone of the alt-right's strategy for subverting and co opting web communities. The idea is to purge social networks of opposition to far-right ideals of social Darwinism and racial purity.





isnt that a leftist ideology because that seems to be exactly what you've always
tried to do, you cant handle when someone's opinions dont align with your own so you
say you're a victim and demand they be banned in order to appease you


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680735 - 09/26/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I take PTSD quite seriously as a matter of necessity. My girlfriend has PTSD from serving in Karmah, Iraq, in 2006, among other things. She has nightmares too.

I have no doubt that I'm being mocked here, but I maintain that the mockery of vulnerability is a key element of far-right ideological warfare in the Internet age. This is true regardless to my own positioning in this discussion.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680751 - 09/26/16 06:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Pris made a mockery of PTSD by posting that picture.





exactly what sort of PTSD are we talking about, the kind where someone called you an
unkind name so you believe the whole world was against you because you choose to
interpret everything to make yourself a victim


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680768 - 09/26/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I take PTSD quite seriously as a matter of necessity. My girlfriend has PTSD from serving in Karmah, Iraq, in 2006, among other things. She takes prescription drugs to sleep through her nightmares.





Wow. Now you're using someone else's PTSD to back your bullshit? You really don't get it do you?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23680781 - 09/26/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No, I'm obviously not talking about that kind of "PTSD", but here you are, using language relating to coping strategies for a serious mental illness to deprecate my political stance. Thank you for illustrating my point for me.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680789 - 09/26/16 06:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I take PTSD quite seriously as a matter of necessity. My girlfriend has PTSD from serving in Karmah, Iraq, in 2006, among other things. She takes prescription drugs to sleep through her nightmares.





Wow. Now you're using someone else's PTSD to back your bullshit? You really don't get it do you?




You brought the conversation into the realm of the personal. I merely followed you there. I'm genuinely sorry if that was inappropriate for me to do so.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23680833 - 09/26/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I'm obviously not talking about that kind of "PTSD", but here you are, using language relating to coping strategies for a serious mental illness to deprecate my political stance. Thank you for illustrating my point for me.




What the fuck do you mean by "that kind of 'PTSD'"? Do you mean the bullshit you imagine yourself having so you can justify your victimhood mentality to yourself? You claim to be a neuroscientist, do you know what cognitive dissonance is?

I wouldn't expect you to understand what it's like to have PTSD or depersonalization, but let me tell you I lost all fear of death or hell existing because I know there are worse things out there.

By continuing this conversation, you really are making yourself look like an ass. It's ok, we all make mistakes, and I'm not going to hold it against you in the future because I generally like you as a person. However, in this specific conversation you are acting like a real cunt.

EDIT: It was inappropriate for you to use PTSD to back your argument, and then continue using that as a defense. As far as me making it personal, you're the one that made it personal when you used a serious mental health issue to defend your bullshit.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680846 - 09/26/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

don't be foolish. she said that this kind of discussion gets brought up as a form of prevarication, to derail and level flame comments, you brought up that you've been effected by PTSD, congrats, you just made the same argument Sophist is making; you shouldn't be able to provoke someone just because you see that PTSD entered the discussion, when they take the subject seriously, just because you think they aren't being serious.

now wtf gives you the right to do so?


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23680896 - 09/26/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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don't be foolish. she said that this kind of discussion gets brought up as a form of prevarication, to derail and level flame comments, you brought up that you've been effected by PTSD, congrats, you just made the same argument Sophist is making; you shouldn't be able to provoke someone just because you see that PTSD entered the discussion, when they take the subject seriously, just because you think they aren't being serious.

now wtf gives you the right to do so?




I'm not evading jack shit -- by the way, I've never seen the word "prevarication" used before, ever. Evasion works just as well, and is more commonly understood. Using a thesaurus to boost your stance is just stupid dude.

She brought PTSD into the conversation to defend her bullshit argument, and that touched a nerve. I'm not making nearly the same argument that sophist is making, that's a classic false equivalency mixed with a strawman argument.

WTF gives me the right to call her out on this? Being clinically diagnosed with PTSD, and seeing a mental illness that I've experienced being misappropriated for the use in a fallacious argument. 

Throwing the term around casually decreases the legitimacy of the term, which in turn decreases the accuracy of how people perceive PTSD to be. It's not something that you just casually throw into an argument to win.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23680936 - 09/26/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I'm obviously not talking about that kind of "PTSD", but here you are, using language relating to coping strategies for a serious mental illness to deprecate my political stance. Thank you for illustrating my point for me.





maybe you need to clarify since you claim I've made a mockery of PTSD


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23680996 - 09/26/16 07:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not evading jack shit -- by the way, I've never seen the word "prevarication" used before, ever. Evasion works just as well, and is more commonly understood. Using a thesaurus to boost your stance is just stupid dude.




that assumption is just so retarded. i've heard the word in a recent Meshuggah song...it's also a word i've happened to use, before ever looking it up; something i do frequently because i have a decent vocabulary, and my guesses at using certain terms to describe my thoughts are usually a good guess 90% of the time (i'll literally think of a word, look it up, lo' and behold, it's a real fuckin' word); just how i do...it's how i LEARN. prevarication is more alike to what you're doing as well. you're not "evading". you are intentionally misrepresenting the statements involved in this discussion, like many others, you're dissuading any real discussion on PTSD; not by using PTSD as an ad hominem, like most users, but nevertheless, you're just making Sophist out to be like she was trying to start something, some kind of offence, but she wasn't, and you either know it, or are just as easily dissuaded from discussing PTSD in a sensible way that caters to a discussion, instead of a promulgation of your dislike (like theirs) of the use of the term in the way it's used in the discussion, ie, it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card" by coalition B, so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23681006 - 09/26/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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that assumption is just so retarded. i've heard the word in a recent Meshuggah song...it's also a word i've happened to use, before ever looking it up; something i do frequently because i have a decent vocabulary, and my guesses at using certain terms to describe my thoughts are usually a good guess 90% of the time (i'll literally think of a word, look it up, lo' and behold, it's a real fuckin' word); just how i do...it's how i LEARN. prevarication is more alike to what you're doing as well. you're not "evading". you are intentionally misrepresenting the statements involved in this discussion, like many others, you're dissuading any real discussion on PTSD; not by using PTSD as an ad hominem, like most users, but nevertheless, you're just making Sophist out to be like she was trying to start something, some kind of offence, but she wasn't, and you either know it, or are just as easily dissuaded from discussing PTSD in a sensible way that caters to a discussion, instead of a promulgation of their dislike of the use of the term in the way it's used in the discussion, ie, it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card", so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.




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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23681013 - 09/26/16 07:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

doesn't matter.

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it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card" by coalition B, so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.




your bullshit has been formulated into a theoretical model, and i think it holds up.

plus, you think i care? i like typing out just how fucktarded people are. it's a hobby.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23681078 - 09/26/16 07:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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doesn't matter.

Quote:

it's not at the behest of coalition A that PTSD be used as a "card" by coalition B, so thus coalition B shant use the "card"/but if A wants to use the "card", they can use the "card". it's fallacious bullshit you're proposing here.




your bullshit has been formulated into a theoretical model, and i think it holds up.

plus, you think i care? i like typing out just how fucktarded people are. it's a hobby.




Thank you for condensing that for me. I understand the point you're making, but I disagree fundamentally with your logic. Party A used a card which does not belong in this argument, Party B disagreed with the usage of Party A's card. I'm not using the PTSD card to win an argument, I'm simply defending proper usage of the term so that it retains it's true meaning.


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Re: Rise of the far right in the pub [Re: falsereality]
    #23681095 - 09/26/16 08:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm not using the PTSD card to win an argument, I'm simply defending proper usage of the term so that it retains it's true meaning.




i don't see it. you assumed Sophist had used the term improperly? i seriously don't see it. she made a reference to it, and you thought that that wouldn't fly, because you thought she was using it as some kind of crutch. you were wrong. she was literally pointing out that people will go after affecting those with "issues" because it suits them to do so, and that those kinds of people post here. that's it.


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