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Buddha Wears Girly Panties
#12255270 - 03/23/10 01:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you see the Buddha, Kill Him -- Zen koan
I casually mentioned this in another thread and again realized how many implications rests in this simple saying.
The image: whether it is the historical Gautama Buddha that is beheld, or a progressive view of the figure as merely a metaphor for the belief system and teachings, any externalization of mind is false (indeed, Buddhism itself ironically supports this). Further, if oneness is the name of the game, no one slice of reality can take priority or precedent over another. To embody grandiose knowledge in one being, one statute, or one temple, is to divide the idea of "one" itself. Similarly, there are no holy words: all words are holy.
As Alan Watts once said, "once you get the message, hang up the phone". If one has acquired sufficient knowledge to recognize a Buddha on the path, then your pretense to learn the message and teachings from this particular canon is complete; additional time spent mulling over any one manifestation of reality is redundant meddling. To my mind, a good life is looking back on this post and thinking what an idiot I was -- the clay is never dry, Daniel Son.
I am also fond of saying the raft is not the shore, derived from the writings of Thich Nhat Hahn. Nevertheless, a raft is needed. Hence, at different developmental stages of our life (assuming we are indeed advancing, otherwise what's the fucking point) different ideologies present varying degrees of usefulness and insight, depending on a multitude of time-and-space factors. Today some kid on Nowhere St. for the first time just picked up a copy of the Dhammapada; this is beautiful. Also today, some adult picked up the same book for 20 years in a row; this is blasphemy.
Lastly, as Dr. Martin Luther Mckenna has said, "we are the center of the mandala", therefore adoration of beady-eyed gurus and polished statues is at best merely a fancy projection. A well-read enthusiast counters next, "yes, but line 42 foretold this awareness!" All I hear is the fap-fap-fap sound as such meandering is circular, and instead of kicking up new ground and making his ancestors proud, Johnny is now kicking up dust.
And yet, with all this said, as I was typing this up, the Shroomery "unavailable page" popped up. Ironically, I realized there is still some merit to the discussion/symbols/ideas. Otherwise, even if my own personal opinion has changed, then what meaning do I derive from the process of sharing? Catharsis?
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden] 1
#12255638 - 03/23/10 02:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Arden said: Otherwise, even if my own personal opinion has changed, then what meaning do I derive from the process of sharing? Catharsis?
To be the Bodhisattva of Shroomery. 
But I agree with you... This is why Sri Ramana Maharshi was known to tell different people different things. Some people could awaken just to a few sentences of hearing him speak, others merely to his presence. Another group needed to be told on a more superficial, if you will, level. We are all at different stages. If you go up to a fashion designer and tell them everything is empty, they are probably going to laugh at you. :P
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12255674 - 03/23/10 02:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice post.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Icelander]
#12255990 - 03/23/10 03:06 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks, Ice.
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But I agree with you... This is why Sri Ramana Maharshi was known to tell different people different things. Some people could awaken just to a few sentences of hearing him speak, others merely to his presence. Another group needed to be told on a more superficial, if you will, level.
I need to check out Ramana Maharshi, I don't know that much other than his emphasis on communication with silence and presence.
I've read a bit of Osho and watched some of the videos that are available and he was (intentionally) guilty of a similar thing. He often contradicted what he said. And speaking of fashion designers, he was also a master at using all of the silly roles that we assume of a spiritual leader: the garments, the sacred jewelry, and in his case something like 99 Rolyce Royces. He was lumped together in the same bag as all of the other materialistic gurus, but as I paid more attention it seems Osho was making an elaborate hoax. As it was mentioned on here recently, Charles Manson pulled similar tricks during prison interviews--teasing apart our expectations of social games that belong in context.
I read a few essays the other day about the so-called pitfalls of postmodernism, and how that analysis of life is so pervasive it has begun to remove any essential or innate meaning in reality, from linguistics to art movements, to philosophical ideas and--gasp--science. Yet in my opinion, modernity has brought a re-emergence in the search for meaning, not the destruction of it. There has been an increase in the popularity (to use a boring word) of thinking outside the box, or at least attempting to à la counter cultures, fashion statements, alternative medicines, composite belief systems, etc. To what extent believing in 2012 displays depth of thinking is debatable, but the reality is there are thousands of opinions about it. Such diversity IS the novelty... not to mention connectivity. Besides, on that note, what is a new phase in human evolution if not the ability to text my friend in Indonesia about 2012 and he understands what I'm referring to?
We're running out of places to hide if you think about it. The book shelves at Barnes & Noble are over-crowding with repeats: analyses of the analyses. Now we have meta-art, meta-music, meta-math, and meta-chaos theory. Studying the act of studying; it seems a lot like meditation, no? So, I like to engage in mental masturbation and imagine what metaphysical conundrum our species will dive into next (whether these leaps are willfully pushed or teleologically pulled, that's the real mystery).
P.S. Mother Teresa was a whore.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12256220 - 03/23/10 03:39 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mother Teresa seemed to know about job security. She worked with the overpopulated starving while supporting the churches stance on birth control.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Icelander]
#12256335 - 03/23/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mother Teresa seemed to know about job security.
Cursing wise people, sages, and saints is a practice in humility and self-reflection. Next Sunday morning in Church I want to hear the choir proudly echoing "Ghandi was a fag. Amen."
In my opinion spirituality is a beautiful thing, it's just not confined in people, in books, or in ceremonies. What is the present moment if not the smell of tacos? The itch of a yeast infection?
Speaking of the present moment and blasphemously cursing good people, Eckhart Tolle is plagiarizing an ancient concept and stealing the same literary approach as Ram Dass (except Be Here Now didn't get Ram Dam any Oprah awards). A witch hunt is in order.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12256468 - 03/23/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12256584 - 03/23/10 04:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mother Teresa seemed to know about job security.
Cursing wise people, sages, and saints is a practice in humility and self-reflection. Next Sunday morning in Church I want to hear the choir proudly echoing "Ghandi was a fag. Amen."
In my opinion spirituality is a beautiful thing, it's just not confined in people, in books, or in ceremonies. What is the present moment if not the smell of tacos? The itch of a yeast infection?
Speaking of the present moment and blasphemously cursing good people, Eckhart Tolle is plagiarizing an ancient concept and stealing the same literary approach as Ram Dass (except Be Here Now didn't get Ram Dam any Oprah awards). A witch hunt is in order.
How about rewriting your same "revelation" into a third book deal.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12256797 - 03/23/10 05:00 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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LOL
nice post OP
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: deCypher]
#12262280 - 03/24/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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What is the present moment if not the smell of tacos? The itch of a yeast infection?
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12262284 - 03/24/10 12:38 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm so glad I don't have a vagina.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: deCypher]
#12262327 - 03/24/10 12:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm so glad I don't have a vagina.
Me too, such a troublesome and strange device. Even so, it's tremendously powerful. Most of the world's currencies are really legal tender for vagina in some way or another, don't let the economists fool you.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12262331 - 03/24/10 12:46 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree. Women run this world.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12262361 - 03/24/10 12:52 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps if you see the Buddha then it's not the Buddha. Possibly the Buddha cannot be seen or differentiated. 'Buddha' is a title given to someone who achieved emancipation of the mind. Would an emancipated mind be recognisable from the outside. And if one was a Buddha oneself, then there only be recognition of oneself. 'Buddha's don't kill Buddha's': Zen saying.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Ahimsa]
#12262373 - 03/24/10 12:53 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Buddhas don't kill Buddhas. Only I kill Buddhas.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: deCypher]
#12262618 - 03/24/10 01:22 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps if you see the Buddha then it's not the Buddha.
By discussing Buddha right now we are "seeing" it, legitimizing its existence--even if only conceptually.
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'Buddha' is a title given to someone who achieved emancipation of the mind.
To be free of mind, Buddhists (especially the monastic) paradoxically spend a lot of their time thinking about the mind.
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And if one was a Buddha oneself, then there only be recognition of oneself.
I think this may be one of the underlying themes I'm referring to. When we place our awareness on our particular perceptions of events and objects in the world, at least to me it becomes apparent how it is co-created by the mind... including our musing about "mind" itself. The trouble with this is it borders on solipsism, which makes a lot of philosophers uncomfortable, as well as the time spent building temples pretty worthless beyond reminding us of what we already knew.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#12263164 - 03/24/10 02:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think mind is a fabrication of the intellect. Pointing at a medium within which there are ideas. The intellect then creates the idea 'mind' to address this medium.
Maybe naïve to say that the brain creates ideas and then imagines a sphere where these ideas are and calls it 'mind'. But that's my take on it so far.
Consciousness is the cognizing ability of the brain. It cognizes, hence it is conscious. So far...
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Ahimsa]
#12263299 - 03/24/10 02:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why are you posting in Spirituality & Mysticism?
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Chronic7]
#12263574 - 03/24/10 03:28 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why are you posting in Spirituality & Mysticism?
Addressed to whom?
If it's to the previous poster, I could be playful and propose than believing the mind is created by brain matter is a pretty mystical belief. Like Mckenna has said, the box is just too small.
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Re: Buddha Wears Girly Panties [Re: Arden]
#23679235 - 09/26/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Arden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hello, Namaste, Welcome
(from wherever you are traveling from)
This particular koan may cause some trouble, in fact - hehe.
Doubtless, it will keep the Buddhas on their toes. . .
But I believe, it is a much better statement:
if you see a Buddha on the road, run, jump, and give them a bear hug!!!
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