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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Ezuma]
#23681871 - 09/27/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's gonna be a breath of fresh air when Trumps gone (if he wins, which is likely).
see that? it's already like it never happened?
(ie, because,...you know... -- what i mean is, i can live with a Trump, seeing as though i'm just an observer, if a nuclear war starts, do i give a fuck? no. so i just can't wait till his supporters [the dumb ones] shut the fuck up. i listen to a Trump supporter for my news everyday. unbiased too. i'm not against Trump. i am literally only wishing that his campaigns proponents would shut the fuck up with their flappy Canadian mouths already. literally gibbering idiots, alot of them are...though not all. it's never all. i've found that the "not all" slogan actually mostly holds up. can it be a stereotype already?)
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681879 - 09/27/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're off the rails, bud. You're talking like a stoned rambler and making very little sense to me. 'Til next time.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23681882 - 09/27/16 12:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: You're just triggered. It'll subside eventually. In the meantime I recommend you actually take an hour or so to read up on Trump's economic plan for yourself, because quite honestly, it doesn't seem like you've actually put any time in on that front.
yeah, no.
and i don't get triggered by this kind of political shit. i don't give a fuck two ways from Sunday whether Hilary keels over and shits her pants and dies, or if Trump does, or if he wins, or wahtever. i can't be triggered by that shit. what can trigger me is people's stupidity. i'm not there yet, however; i told you, you, you just get my goat when you act like you know something, when you don't. i mean this isn't even a matter of conjecture. you say you LITERALLY understand the outcome of Trump's plan, already...like a soothsayer. well i want you to tell us all, here, what the outcome will be, so we can be sure to ask you how you get all your incredible knowledge when it all comes true. )
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PeyoteZen said: You're off the rails, bud. You're talking like a stoned rambler and making very little sense to me. Till' next time. 
simpleton.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Ezuma]
#23681889 - 09/27/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you don't understand economics either. pretending like you do...it almost infuriates me...just to know that you are so far up your own ass, you think you can tell me better than what 10 (or more) other economists have to say.
that kind of stupidity, that blatant, belligerent, kind of stupidity, really does kinda make me feel ill; just to know that it's possible.
you don't know what the results of his plan is gonna be, if you did, you'd lay it out for me, in simple terms, like you said you can do.
there is a reason trump's fan base is largely uneducated and poor
Hey brother we've established we are of similar idealogical backgrounds
I wouldn't say I support trump, but I definitely dislike Hillary more. Quite a few of my Marxist friends feel the same way.
Hillary's most energized fan base seems to be entirely comprised of rich, educated, but ignorant, liberals who have lived their lives in their little white progressive bubbles called suburban America.
I think a good amount of trump supporters are just disillusioned workers. They have had enough bullshit from people who in Obama's own words (and image ) "will say anything and do nothing" they are the proletariat upon which this country was built. We can't throw them to the wolves or we are no better than the fucking liberals who hide behind their bullshit rhetoric about income inequality in public and their gated communities in private
Plus if Hillary wins, the next trump is gonna be a lot worse and a lot more dangerous to minorities and the future of the ideological left in this country
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: elax420] 1
#23681900 - 09/27/16 12:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I getcha, I can't say I prefer either I just think Clinton is less of a gamble but either will be shitty for the country. I don't think Clinton is particularly worse than say Obama was, in terms of what she'll actually do with her power (though she's certainly a less appealing politician) I can understand Trump's success, but I think like any other politician he's using the poor to his own ends and won't actually do anything for them if he got in. I get the frustration though, and I know these people have been manipulated for decades into thinking as they do
it's all a mess were I american I wouldn't vote for either candidate honestly
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Ezuma]
#23681915 - 09/27/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i think it's funny that people just accept that Trump is "only out to make America great again", as if it's in everyone's best interest that Trump is just going out of his way for, to make people happy.
Trump, the business mogul, couldn't have any higher ambition than that, no personal stake in anything, other than his American patriotism.
right...then why is it that no other of these patriots in America has stood up to do the job, until Trump came along?
because the notion is bullshit, that's why.
Trump can still be a good president though. (now just think about that concept. let it wash over it (it? it puts the lotion on it's skin). "he can still be a good president though -- true say)
there is this youtube account, it's literally named Allah, and he trolls like Muslims and shit...and he has this picture 
Edited by akira_akuma (09/27/16 01:52 AM)
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681944 - 09/27/16 01:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like ya Akira, but that shit made zero sense to me.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: elax420]
#23681957 - 09/27/16 01:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ya but how many times did you try to understand it?
what i am "getting at" is summed up in the first three sentences. it's basically a dialectic, i'm just not completely spelling it out.
and it isn't even an insult or anything against Trump. certainly not. i'm not an "anti-Trumper". i have no qualms with Trump. i've said it before, i think his brain trust will keep his eye on the prize; fame!
but i am saying that the Trump fans who are so seemingly and blindingly subservient, are fucking up when they attribute this Americana folk hero status to him running for president, like he's so noble...if he's so fucking noble for what he says (without taking into account what he does, ie, he's a rich business mogul), how is it that someone else hasn't come along to 'just say his plain truth' first, and lead the country? if it's so simple, and he has such a simple and compliant ethos, why is his business suit needed? why is his stature needed? people always want to talk like he's some genius, some genius business man who is gonna pull America up by it's boot-straps. i'd like to know how that equates to "un-establishment".
(TL;DR or DU, basically, i don't trust Trump as far as i could throw him. i'm not THAT gullible.)
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Ezuma] 1
#23681961 - 09/27/16 01:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's a debate summary which ONLY includes real ideas the candidates had about various issues. I left out the "I would be SOOO much more presidential than my opponent" stuff. The debate was divided into three sections - Achieving Prosperity, America's Direction, and Securing America.
Achieving Prosperity
Clinton said: Government should invest more in: - Infrastructure - Advanced manufacturing - Innovation and technology - Clean renewable energy - Small business Government needs to: - Raise minimum wage - Ensure women get equal pay for equal work - Motivate companies profit share with employees - Provide paid family leave - Offer affordable child care (Trump agreed) - Offer debt free college - Increase taxes on the wealthy (Trump said he wants to cut taxes on the wealthy) - Close corporate tax loopholes - Decrease regulations for small business (Trump said he wants to decrease regulations for all business)
Trump said: Government needs to: - Stop private corporations from shipping jobs overseas - Increase taxes on imports - Cut corporate taxes - Renegotiate trade deals - Decrease regulations (Clinton wants to decrease regulations for small business) - Cut taxes for the wealthy (Hillary wants to increase them on the wealthy) - Renegotiate NAFTA (Hillary defended NAFTA)
America’s Direction
Clinton said Government needs to: - Restore trust with police by preparing them better when and how to use force - Train police on race issues and respecting the rights of all citizens - Send fewer people to jail for non-violent offenses - Get rid of mandatory minimums and create more second chance programs - Get rid of private prisons - Not sell weapons to people on the terrorist list (Trump agreed)
Trump said Government needs to: - Bring back stop and frisk (which was ruled unconstitutional, but Trump claims it would win on appeal) - Not sell weapons to people on the terrorist list (Clinton agreed)
Securing America
Clinton said Government needs to: - Intensify air strikes against ISIS and take out their leaders - Work more closely with NATO to fight terrorism - Cooperate with US Muslims to fight terror at home - Prevent nuclear proliferation - Defend its allies around the world
Trump said Government needs to: - Fight ISIS a lot harder than we have been - Make 28 NATO member countries to pay their fair share (said US pays 73%) - Make NATO focus more on terror - Eliminate nuclear weapons and do away with our first strike doctrine - Force Iran to deal with N Korea’s nukes as part of nuclear deal
There were a lot of personal attacks, which I left out of this summary because I believe they are largely irrelevant to what each candidate would actually do as president.
In summary, I think Clinton won the first two areas (though I wasn't fond of Clinton supporting NAFTA), while Trump won the last.
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agreed, Trump seems to be pandering. so does Hillary. but that is already abundantly clear.
i just wish this wasn't the case.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23682091 - 09/27/16 03:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: that kind of stupidity, that blatant, belligerent, kind of stupidity, really does kinda make me feel ill; just to know that it's possible.
Try to imagine what effect your posting has on the rest of us then.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: viktor]
#23682092 - 09/27/16 03:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i can't imagine the effect my long, drawn out stream of consciousness pointing out of their logical inconsistencies, and hypocrisies, and their attitudes hollow psychology, would have on them, if they actually took the time to gather a response worth more than 14 words.
but that's besides the fact, what i said wasn't stupid. please point to and explain said stupidity, or shut the fack oop.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23682173 - 09/27/16 04:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: No you don't, debt went up under Clinton, as a matter of fact, debt went up more under Clinton than bush 41
Or... Let's see your "empirical evidence"
Raising taxes reduces deficits. Empirical. Your notion that cutting taxes does it at all, let alone better, is unfounded.
What a joke, so after asserting you have empirical evidence that tax raises lower debt, you can not produce it
And to be fair, I never said "cutting taxes lowers debt"' more lies from the ignorant
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23682190 - 09/27/16 04:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump edged out Admiral Stockdale for the worst debate performance ever given. Congratulations orange one!
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: fivepointer]
#23682195 - 09/27/16 05:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump edged out in the worst debates performance ever given...and that's something to be proud of? he barely did any better than Hillary...which is not good enough.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23682220 - 09/27/16 05:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: Trump edged out in the worst debates performance ever given...and that's something to be proud of? he barely did any better than Hillary...which is not good enough.
He did not want to make hillary feel so low. And now wasn't that nice of him to do that?
Hillary Wanted To Debate Trump On A STEP STOOL – But Was Turned Down – No Commercial Breaks For Bathroom, Coughing Fits Or Fainting Spells http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/09/24/hillary-wanted-debate-trump-step-stool-was-turned-down-no-commercial-breaks-bathroom
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Douglas Howard]
#23682250 - 09/27/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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She actually held it together, I bet she was on its drugs than any of us have ever been
Did anyone catch how she walked off stage, she looked like she could barely move, I'm guessing severe osteoarthritis or a side effect of all the drugs
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse] 2
#23682649 - 09/27/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: No you don't, debt went up under Clinton, as a matter of fact, debt went up more under Clinton than bush 41
Or... Let's see your "empirical evidence"
Raising taxes reduces deficits. Empirical. Your notion that cutting taxes does it at all, let alone better, is unfounded.
What a joke, so after asserting you have empirical evidence that tax raises lower debt, you can not produce it
And to be fair, I never said "cutting taxes lowers debt"' more lies from the ignorant
Sorry, I was under the impression I didnt have to explain simple algebra.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23682852 - 09/27/16 10:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone single person here missed the real message of both candidates during this debate:
Hillary's position: lets have business as usual that'll fix things.
Trumps position: For Christsake, let's try something different because the same old bullshit we've tried for the last 30 years hasn't worked.
Simple.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
#23682865 - 09/27/16 10:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sanders proposed the same idea. the message is important...like false impressions are important.
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