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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
#23681562 - 09/26/16 10:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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starfire_xes said: Every poll out shows Trump winning substatially. Even slates. Now, I think it was tight, but here are some dynamics:
Hillary came across as very smooth, polished--and a total political insider. Trump came off as more genuine, but rough and unpolished--and as the outsider.
If you grade on who looked polished Hillary won. If you grade on who seemed to have a better vision, Trump won.
It's coming down to: More of what weve done for the last thirty years, or something different?
Here is the closest poll I've found: http://fortune.com/2016/09/26/presidential-debate-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/
Ild agree with your analysis
Trump came across as savvy.
Plus that line about the generals and admirals supporting him was pretty good, and I think he deflected the brash and cavaliering complaint back on her. Especially how she just went off on an anti Russian tantrum out of no where.
If there is anyone pushing for war it's her
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
#23681566 - 09/26/16 10:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump all but admitted he pays $0 in federal taxes. That's way worse than I could've imagined
And hes is doing so legally. There is a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. One is legal the other isn't. He defended well. Its the regulations and politicians that are the problem. He has been continuously audited and he isn't doing anything illegal. Its his obligation to minimize his tax burden. If the law allows him to pay $0 in taxes then shame on the law, he made a point that he would make radical changes to the tax code, which clearly are needed.
Yep. Takes one to know one. That's why I have confidence in Trump's ability to intimately comprehend on a first hand basis how the whole "tax the wealthy" farce really works in this country.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
#23681574 - 09/26/16 10:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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One of the most telling things in the polls is how the purple states/battleground states that Obama took so easily to victory are now either trending in trumps way, trump leading outright, or very close.
I think the clinton campaign has done exactly what the republicans did--they did too little of the wrong thing too late, Hillary stayed hidden too long, and now the Trump freight train is thundering towards 1600 pennsylvania avenue and neither hillary or her media shills can stop it. ONLY TRUMP CAN KILL HIMSELF AT THIS POINT.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
#23681611 - 09/26/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump's at least got soul. Hillary has a hole where her soul used to be.
This will greatly influence my decision at the voting booths.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#23681621 - 09/26/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Trump can kill himself well into office. he's gonna fix the tax code...i'll believe it when i see it. i'd love for him to. that'd be a show of realness. though, of course, it'd have to pass for 'effective'.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681633 - 09/26/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the best 'fix' for the tax code is to throw the whole thing out and rewrite very simply and broadly.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] 3
#23681725 - 09/26/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i didn't see anything from Trump on job creation, too, BTW.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681755 - 09/26/16 11:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i didn't see anything from Trump on job creation, too, BTW.
Make outsourcing unprofitable by taxing offshore profits/accounts and instituting a significant increase on import tariffs, thus de-incentivizing the move to offshore. This has been his part of his platform all along, and he mentioned it at the debate tonight. Also his tax plan is business-friendly, removing hurdles that discourage start-ups and small businesses. It's not his fault you aren't paying very close attention.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] 1
#23681763 - 09/26/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i heard all that. i didn't hear any numbers on how many jobs he's looking to create, however.
he can prevent jobs from leaving, but does that actually bring any of them back?
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681780 - 09/26/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe he threw out a number like 20 million or so. Can't recall if he dropped that figure in this debate or not.
Also I'm not sure why you're so interested in hearing what amounts to nothing more than a rough projection/estimate. The point is, we want to create fertile ground for stimulating job growth. Period. Only time will tell whether that brings 10 million jobs, or 100 million jobs. It's still the right economic philosophy and the right direction for our government to go in.
Hillary Clinton campaigned for the New York Senate seat on promises of creating some hundreds of thousands of new jobs or whatever, which she never delivered on. Next.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23681784 - 09/26/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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"she never delivered, next"
precisely. can't a guy be cynical? a healthy dose never hurt anyone.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23681789 - 09/26/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also, throw in anti-Nafta and anti-TPP and you got a candidate who represents a less bleak economic future for America.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681796 - 09/26/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: "she never delivered, next"
precisely. can't a guy be cynical? a healthy dose never hurt anyone.
She never intended on actually doing anything to create those jobs. She never actually had a plan.
And I just told you what Trump's plan is in the simplest of terms.
Feel free to read up on it sometime. Might take you a half hour or so just to get the basics, but then you will be better informed and you won't have to come on here empty handed and looking for spoon feedings.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23681822 - 09/27/16 12:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i'm not looking for spoonfeedings from you, don't kid yourself.
you need spoonfeeded shit, actually. i mean, i can't short form anything with you, can i?
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She never intended on actually doing anything to create those jobs. She never actually had a plan.
YES, PRECISELY. Trump can also fall prey to his own lack of a plan, and his prevarication; if indeed that's what he's doing...as i said, can't i be cynical? you didn't address that. you just barfed a bunch of garbage up, as per usual, without addressing what i actually said. notice, in my post, i made no mention of the words "intended", "create", "jobs", "plan", "basics", "informed", ect ect ect
do you see me asking any questions? i am saying i am weary of Trump not living up to his promises, considering how these plans are hashed out, and they always have new derivations and outcomes as they are rolled out, to be meet with reality. i wouldn't even put it past Sanders to have made a colossal blunder...seeing as 10 economists will see one persons plan in 10 different ways, and approve 10 different ways, or not, or split down the middle, or some other variation, but because it's all a matter of opinion and conjecture anyway...and seeing as i am not economist, i can only go by what information i am able to receive and understand -- and because of all this, i am only going pursue that information which is relevant to me. thus, i can only provide that, when it comes talk of "tax-code reform" and "job creation", that this talk is hinged on alot more guesswork than actual knowledge. sorry i am not a super economist that can fix all the world problems (would i even be heard?), or an optimist.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681827 - 09/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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*prey
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23681834 - 09/27/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks. i don't need an editor, though. anything to actually say? no. of course not.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681848 - 09/27/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: anything to actually say?
Yes, clearly you don't understand economics, which is why you don't understand what Trump is planning to do. But you seem to have covered that already.
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akira_akuma said: and seeing as i am not economist, i can only go by what information i am able to receive and understand -- and because of all this, i am only going pursue that information which is relevant to me. thus, i can only provide that, when it comes talk of "tax-code reform" and "job creation", that this talk is hinged on alot more guesswork than actual knowledge. sorry i am not a super economist that can fix all the world problems
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] 2
#23681854 - 09/27/16 12:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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you don't understand economics either. pretending like you do...it almost infuriates me...just to know that you are so far up your own ass, you think you can tell me better than what 10 (or more) other economists have to say.
that kind of stupidity, that blatant, belligerent, kind of stupidity, really does kinda make me feel ill; just to know that it's possible.
you don't know what the results of his plan is gonna be, if you did, you'd lay it out for me, in simple terms, like you said you can do.
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#23681858 - 09/27/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you don't understand economics either. pretending like you do...it almost infuriates me...just to know that you are so far up your own ass, you think you can tell me better than what 10 (or more) other economists have to say.
that kind of stupidity, that blatant, belligerent, kind of stupidity, really does kinda make me feel ill; just to know that it's possible.
you don't know what the results of his plan is gonna be, if you did, you'd lay it out for me, in simple terms, like you said you can do.
there is a reason trump's fan base is largely uneducated and poor
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23681867 - 09/27/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're just triggered. It'll subside eventually. In the meantime I recommend you actually take an hour or so to read up on Trump's economic plan for yourself, because quite honestly, it doesn't seem like you've actually put any time in on that front.
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