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The Ecstatic said: Im not saying I agree with the way the right expressed their frustration, but the left has had blinders on this entire cycle.
Sanders' rise should've been warning enough, but Hillary shrugged off populism and went with the "I'm not Trump" campaign tactic. Its hard to be the lesser of two evils candidate when youre literally screaming it from the podium.
This was the year of the outsider candidate. There isn't another time in modern history that Sanders would have had a shot in hell. This was the year. That's why Trump won. There is a lot of anger in the country on both sides, and the Democratic leadership, in the name of their own ambitions, and their own personal gain, decided to pretend it wasn't happening. Same with the media. The media didn't even cover Bernie, because if they had, he would have won. They assumed Trump never could have won, so they covered him 24/7. Now you see news anchors practically crying about the outcome lol.
I find it funny that Donna Brazile was also aiding the Clinton campaign. These shmucks need to go, all of them.
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I hope this election serves, if nothing else, to wash the corporate filth off both parties. Trump needs to stick to at least some of his populist message, and the Democrats need to retool under true progressive leadership. But already: fuckery. Sanders, Warren, and Schumer have endorsed Keith Ellison (progressive Congressman) for DNC chair, but the establishment wants to give it to Howard "byahh my way out of a presidential nomination" Dean. FUCKERY. I'm sick of it.
Yes, I'm far less sad that Trump won, than I am to see so much corruption on the Democratic side of things. I think I preferred Trump by the end. I didn't vote for either of them though.
I might add, that I doubt we will see corporatist centrism make a comeback in the years following. At least not on the left. People are wary of it now. They are waking up to it. Clinton democrats with squirm and wriggle, but they will die.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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The Ecstatic said: Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
Agreed. The 'regressive' left has attempted to foist this inorganic culture that they have conjured up onto working class America. I just don't think this country has the patience for whiny ass victim culture.
There are legitimate concerns about refugees/radical Islam. The problem is, you get legitimate racists jumping on board with the guys who have legitimate concerns, and they get balled into one. The country is no longer sensitive to racism, and it is making a comeback. That's why guys like Qman can say that black people are inherently more violent by their nature, yet still attempt to maintain that he is not a racist. That's pretty cut and dry. This is what racism is '(Insert skin color) are (insert disparaging blanket statement)'.
"The country is no longer sensitive to racism"
You can thank Obama and his buddies at BLM's for that reality. How sensitive was Obama when he prejudged Darren Wilson before he had any facts or evidence?
"That's why guys like Qman can say that black people are inherently more violent by their nature"
If someone suggested that males are biologically more inclined to be violent, would that make them sexist? No, that would be common knowledge.
If someone suggested that younger people are biologically more inclined to be violent, would they be practicing ageism? No, that would be common knowledge.
If someone suggested that black people are biologically more inclined to be violent, why would you consider them a "racist"? You can't be opened minded enough to think it's a potential possibility?
"still attempt to maintain he's still not a racist"
That's right, if there's a biological reason for the discrepancy, that's not racism. Being more inclined to be violent might be a good trait in the proper environment, it has NOTHING to do with them being inferior, therefore the label of racism is illogical.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: plurfekt]
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Wall Street's ties are just as strong with the D's.
Absolutely.
And the wheels on the broke ass bus go round and round, round and round...
How is no one else here understanding my perspective?
I'm a Patriot for my country and its people, not for my government and its programmed slaves.
How do any of you actually believe that these elections are fair to true democracy when we live in a global surveillance state on its way to globalization, the dream of Rockefeller and the other families.
Oddly, I'm actually not against the idea of globalization if done properly, say, through a Jacque Fresco inspired global resource based economy.
Trinity: "No one has ever tried anything like this before."
Neo: "That's why it is going to work."
But no, lets just wait until the oil runs out, the population becomes unsustainable and for the ruling elite to own 99.99% instead of the projected 97-99% it already has while they destroy our only home, Earth.
Darwin award goes too: The whole of humanity.
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Interesting but true quote from Vampires mocking humans in True Blood - "Humans are the only species that actively destroys their own habitat."
So true it is sad.

When I was a kid I watched those zeitgeist movies. I like Jacque Fresco. The world you speak of is a communist one. We are miles away from even reaching a transitional stage to a functional, government free brand of communism. In the end though, we will have to take resources into consideration.
You are attempting to bring this conversation into an unknown speculative sort of "futurist" territory. For all practical purposes, that's not a conversation most of us want to unravel right now.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof] 1
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I'm not a kid, and I don't get my information from Zeitgeist, but by all means, continue your pointless debate without me.
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The Ecstatic said: Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
Agreed. The 'regressive' left has attempted to foist this inorganic culture that they have conjured up onto working class America. I just don't think this country has the patience for whiny ass victim culture.
There are legitimate concerns about refugees/radical Islam. The problem is, you get legitimate racists jumping on board with the guys who have legitimate concerns, and they get balled into one. The country is no longer sensitive to racism, and it is making a comeback. That's why guys like Qman can say that black people are inherently more violent by their nature, yet still attempt to maintain that he is not a racist. That's pretty cut and dry. This is what racism is '(Insert skin color) are (insert disparaging blanket statement)'.
"The country is no longer sensitive to racism"
You can thank Obama and his buddies at BLM's for that reality. How sensitive was Obama when he prejudged Darren Wilson before he had any facts or evidence?
"That's why guys like Qman can say that black people are inherently more violent by their nature"
If someone suggested that males are biologically more inclined to be violent, would that make them sexist? No, that would be common knowledge.
Actually, my gf and I have gone round and round over this one. She thinks men are conditioned that way. I beg to differ. Anyways, generally speaking, the answer would be no.
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If someone suggested that younger people are biologically more inclined to be violent, would they be practicing ageism? No, that would be common knowledge.
Please, give me an example of ageism.
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If someone suggested that black people are biologically more inclined to be violent, why would you consider them a "racist"? You can't be opened minded enough to think it's a potential possibility?
Because firstly, it's not true, like the aforementioned statements, and second, you are making a judgement on race (which is an incredibly ill-defined marker in the first place, unlike gender and age).
Please, Qman, offer us an example of what racism actually is, then. What constitutes genuine racism, as opposed to observations you have made about different races, as you have defined them.
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"still attempt to maintain he's still not a racist"
That's right, if there's a biological reason for the discrepancy, that's not racism. Being more inclined to be violent might be a good trait in the proper environment, it has NOTHING to do with them being inferior, therefore the label of racism is illogical.
If it is environmental, then it is not biological. It's not biological. My gf is half black. Her daughter is half Cuban. Her daughter is whiter than me, and has blue eyes. I have French/Belgic blood. I am a whiteboy.
So, is the phenotype for an increased production of melanin the culprit here? Can it be a recessive aggressive melanin gene induced trait? Or, is it environmental?
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: plurfekt]
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plurfekt said: I'm not a kid, and I don't get my information from Zeitgeist, but by all means, continue your pointless debate without me.
I didn't call you a kid... I said 'when I was a kid'. Fresco was in those movies.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: plurfekt]
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plurfekt said: I'm not a kid, and I don't get my information from Zeitgeist, but by all means, continue your pointless debate without me.
Don't worry, if you make him look foolish, he'll just ignore you and cry above it until other do as well
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"she thinks men are conditioned this way"
I don't think it's conditioning, there's plenty of evidence to prove it's biological.
"give me an example of ageism"
Why? Younger people (16-35) are more biologically inclined to be violent, there's plenty of evidence to prove it's biological.
"it's not true"
So you're not opened minded enough to accept this possibility because it upsets you?
"what constitutes genuine racism"
The mistreatment of people based on their race.
"If it is environmental, then it is not biological"
Total nonsense, it's BOTH.
"It's not biological"
Total nonsense, biology impacts everything we do in life.
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plurfekt said: Government - the concept that a few people out there (especially in corrupt politics and organized crime; which is all politics really are in America) should have the right and the all-seeing power to govern you, rather than you governing your own life as an individual.
Anarchism - Self-governing. To me it has Nothing to do with chaos beyond the initial "tearing down of that old system to build a better one" process.
Anyone who can't jump on board with that ideal, to me that says they have never known freedom.
just my 2 cents
Your description of government is more of a description of a socialist government. Our gov't was formed to protect our rights, not 'govern our lives'. I agree it has been perverted, but the institution of government in and of itself, is not inherently anti-liberty. It can be used in either direction; it may empower, or enslave.
Complete anarchy is an oxymoron. It can never exist for any significant period of time. You can sit at your house all you want and run your own dictatorship. You don't have to cooperate with anyone else or agree to any set of rules, good for you, others will. Once enough people decide to set up a system of gov't, it happens, regardless of what you want. And as you see throughout the annals of history, people protect themselves by banding together.
Unless you can produce everything that you consume (which you can't) you will need to trade with other people in order to obtain the necessities and conveniences of life. In order to enjoy a quality of life anywhere near what you have today, there would have to be a large functioning economy in place. Who is going to enforce contracts that private parties enter into? How can you have a safe economic environment without commercial law?
When you bust your ass growing crops, and you agree to trade a certain amount of your produce, for a certain amount of your neighbors produce, you expect your neighbor to fulfill his obligation after you deliver the crops. What recourse do you have if he does not fulfill his obligation? What if he simply robs you? Who is going to risk their life arresting perpetrators when there is no gov't to pay them?
There is a reason anarchy doesn't exist anywhere in the world. People who don't ban together are vulnerable to others, and themselves.
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If someone suggested that black people are biologically more inclined to be violent, why would you consider them a "racist"? You can't be opened minded enough to think it's a potential possibility?
Because firstly, it's not true, like the aforementioned statements, and second, you are making a judgement on race (which is an incredibly ill-defined marker in the first place, unlike gender and age).
Please, Qman, offer us an example of what racism actually is, then. What constitutes genuine racism, as opposed to observations you have made about different races, as you have defined them.
The black people in this country are statistically more prone to violence, per capita, because they are more prone to poverty, per capita. They are in more desperate situations than other races, on average or in general. That's the same reason why they are shot more by police per capita. Its not a skin color/race thing, its an economic/poverty thing. Regardless of race: the more broke you are, the more likely you are to do illegal things. The more you do illegal things, the more likely you are to get shot by police, or anybody for that matter.
And the simple belief that they would be biologically more prone to violence doesn't make Qman racist. It means he thinks there is a biological difference in the genetic make-up of black people that explains the statistical link between people with black skin color, and violent crime. You and I disagree, but that doesn't make him racist.
Racism is when you TREAT people differently, or advocate such treatment, in any way, based merely on the fact that they are of a particular race. Affirmative action is racist. Jim Crow laws were racist. The KKK is racist. ISIS is racist. Israel is racist.
I typed racism into google and was astonished to learn that their definition of racism is the belief that races are different. According to Google.com the belief that black people have more melanin than white people, is racist. According to Google, if you can differentiate a Laotian from a Norwegian, you are racist.
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Aren't you the guy who said Fascism and Socialism are the same, and that they are both left wing ideologies?
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If someone suggested that black people are biologically more inclined to be violent, why would you consider them a "racist"? You can't be opened minded enough to think it's a potential possibility?
Because firstly, it's not true, like the aforementioned statements, and second, you are making a judgement on race (which is an incredibly ill-defined marker in the first place, unlike gender and age).
Please, Qman, offer us an example of what racism actually is, then. What constitutes genuine racism, as opposed to observations you have made about different races, as you have defined them.
The black people in this country are statistically more prone to violence, per capita, because they are more prone to poverty, per capita. They are in more desperate situations than other races, on average or in general. That's the same reason why they are shot more by police per capita. Its not a skin color/race thing, its an economic/poverty thing. Regardless of race: the more broke you are, the more likely you are to do illegal things. The more you do illegal things, the more likely you are to get shot by police, or anybody for that matter.
And the simple belief that they would be biologically more prone to violence doesn't make Qman racist. It means he thinks there is a biological difference in the genetic make-up of black people that explains the statistical link between people with black skin color, and violent crime. You and I disagree, but that doesn't make him racist.
Racism is when you TREAT people differently, or advocate such treatment, in any way, based merely on the fact that they are of a particular race. Affirmative action is racist. Jim Crow laws were racist. The KKK is racist. ISIS is racist. Israel is racist.
I typed racism into google and was astonished to learn that their definition of racism is the belief that races are different. According to Google.com the belief that black people have more melanin than white people, is racist. According to Google, if you can differentiate a Laotian from a Norwegian, you are racist.
Qman had argued on behalf of police treating black people differently than white people. Anyway, I don't have time to dismantle both of your posts right now, but I may get around to it tomorrow.
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If someone suggested that black people are biologically more inclined to be violent, why would you consider them a "racist"? You can't be opened minded enough to think it's a potential possibility?
Because firstly, it's not true, like the aforementioned statements, and second, you are making a judgement on race (which is an incredibly ill-defined marker in the first place, unlike gender and age).
Please, Qman, offer us an example of what racism actually is, then. What constitutes genuine racism, as opposed to observations you have made about different races, as you have defined them.
The black people in this country are statistically more prone to violence, per capita, because they are more prone to poverty, per capita. They are in more desperate situations than other races, on average or in general. That's the same reason why they are shot more by police per capita. Its not a skin color/race thing, its an economic/poverty thing. Regardless of race: the more broke you are, the more likely you are to do illegal things. The more you do illegal things, the more likely you are to get shot by police, or anybody for that matter.
And the simple belief that they would be biologically more prone to violence doesn't make Qman racist. It means he thinks there is a biological difference in the genetic make-up of black people that explains the statistical link between people with black skin color, and violent crime. You and I disagree, but that doesn't make him racist.
Racism is when you TREAT people differently, or advocate such treatment, in any way, based merely on the fact that they are of a particular race. Affirmative action is racist. Jim Crow laws were racist. The KKK is racist. ISIS is racist. Israel is racist.
I typed racism into google and was astonished to learn that their definition of racism is the belief that races are different. According to Google.com the belief that black people have more melanin than white people, is racist. According to Google, if you can differentiate a Laotian from a Norwegian, you are racist.
Almost there but not quite.
If black people are more prone to poverty and therefore crime, can it be understood that some people (cough cough qman) think they are biologically-determined to be criminals. That assigns characteristics and ranking to the races and it is THIS and not just noting differences is what is racism. If black = criminal to people, how does that in turn contribute to community relations? While the poverty of the situation can perpetuate racist notions, surely you understand that those racist notions in turn contribute to the poverty of the community.
Saying black people have bigger lips on average to white people is not racist, saying that black people are innately prone to violence in a way unlike white people then that is racist. There is talking about difference, then there is talk about biologically programmed behaviours, personality characteristics etc. "BLACK PEOPLE" are a heck of a lot more diverse genetically than "white people".
Also another point is that racism is understood to have a power structure behind it, maintaining that ranking. If it is black communities on the receiving end of systemic racially-prejudicial treatment, its going to have a bigger impact than calling people "cracker" or some shit. It can mean the difference between poverty and prosperity.
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And the simple belief that they would be biologically more prone to violence doesn't make Qman racist. It means he thinks there is a biological difference in the genetic make-up of black people that explains the statistical link between people with black skin color, and violent crime. You and I disagree, but that doesn't make him racist.
Actually, YES that definitely makes qman racist whether he even accepts it or not himself.
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miss you Bernie 
He's more irrelevant now than ever! The democrat party is dead, and they are too blame for calling every opposition to their horseshit as racist/sexist/bigoted. Choke on it
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Day 1 in Trump’s America
Do any Trump supporters want to pretend there isnt a racist element and that racists haven't been empowered in this election?
qman? is it actually called patriotism, not racism?
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http://www.nytimes.com/books/00/04/16/reviews/000416.16holtlt.html
"The split between African and non-African populations is now estimated to have occurred more than 200,000 years ago, and genetic variation between the two groups looks at it may be greater than previously thought. 'The claim that there are no functional differences between populations or ethnic groups appears increasingly passe"
"The alleged 'functional differences' are in physique, musculature, metabolic efficiency, hormone levels and reaction time. Entine cites credible research, for example, that blacks have a higher ratio of 'fast twitch' muscle fiber than whites do...East African blacks have more energy-producing enzymes in their muscles"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_sports
It's been widely accepted that there's genetic differences between the races beside skin color, I guess they're all racist, right Tip? 
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2012/08/12/the-dna-olympics-jamaicans-win-sprinting-genetic-lottery-and-why-we-should-all-care/#991e42522634
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If someone suggested that black people are biologically more inclined to be violent, why would you consider them a "racist"? You can't be opened minded enough to think it's a potential possibility?
Because firstly, it's not true, like the aforementioned statements, and second, you are making a judgement on race (which is an incredibly ill-defined marker in the first place, unlike gender and age).
Please, Qman, offer us an example of what racism actually is, then. What constitutes genuine racism, as opposed to observations you have made about different races, as you have defined them.
The black people in this country are statistically more prone to violence, per capita, because they are more prone to poverty, per capita. They are in more desperate situations than other races, on average or in general. That's the same reason why they are shot more by police per capita. Its not a skin color/race thing, its an economic/poverty thing. Regardless of race: the more broke you are, the more likely you are to do illegal things. The more you do illegal things, the more likely you are to get shot by police, or anybody for that matter.
And the simple belief that they would be biologically more prone to violence doesn't make Qman racist. It means he thinks there is a biological difference in the genetic make-up of black people that explains the statistical link between people with black skin color, and violent crime. You and I disagree, but that doesn't make him racist.
Racism is when you TREAT people differently, or advocate such treatment, in any way, based merely on the fact that they are of a particular race. Affirmative action is racist. Jim Crow laws were racist. The KKK is racist. ISIS is racist. Israel is racist.
I typed racism into google and was astonished to learn that their definition of racism is the belief that races are different. According to Google.com the belief that black people have more melanin than white people, is racist. According to Google, if you can differentiate a Laotian from a Norwegian, you are racist.
Almost there but not quite.
If black people are more prone to poverty and therefore crime, can it be understood that some people (cough cough qman) think they are biologically-determined to be criminals. That assigns characteristics and ranking to the races and it is THIS and not just noting differences is what is racism. If black = criminal to people, how does that in turn contribute to community relations? While the poverty of the situation can perpetuate racist notions, surely you understand that those racist notions in turn contribute to the poverty of the community.
Saying black people have bigger lips on average to white people is not racist, saying that black people are innately prone to violence in a way unlike white people then that is racist. There is talking about difference, then there is talk about biologically programmed behaviours, personality characteristics etc. "BLACK PEOPLE" are a heck of a lot more diverse genetically than "white people".
Also another point is that racism is understood to have a power structure behind it, maintaining that ranking. If it is black communities on the receiving end of systemic racially-prejudicial treatment, its going to have a bigger impact than calling people "cracker" or some shit. It can mean the difference between poverty and prosperity.
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And the simple belief that they would be biologically more prone to violence doesn't make Qman racist. It means he thinks there is a biological difference in the genetic make-up of black people that explains the statistical link between people with black skin color, and violent crime. You and I disagree, but that doesn't make him racist.
Actually, YES that definitely makes qman racist whether he even accepts it or not himself.
No it wouldn't. If there's biological evidence to back up the claim, it's not racism. Or maybe you think scientific study that proves differences is racist.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Tipote] 1
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while many Trump supporters thought they voted against the establishment, they just voted for a different sector of the establishment.
private prisons the arms industry oil and gas all on the rise
renewable stocks are falling..
white nationalists appointed..
my hope is that at least Trump fulfills his promises about investing in infrastructure and jobs. If he tries anything illegal then even impreachment could be tricky depending on majorities in the houses, no? At least America is naked in the world and the opposition will have to grow strong.
Whatever happens, the 20th January will be a significant day. The security at his inauguration is gonna have to be crazy strong.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman]
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qman said: It's been widely accepted that there's genetic differences between the races beside skin color, I guess they're all racist, right Tip? 
have you forgotten how to read? I said there is talking about difference and then there is talking about hierarchy.
When people say BLACK people. what do they mean? There is incredible variation between all groups you'd class as black.
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