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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: plurfekt]
#23826084 - 11/12/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow. Such revolutionaries you guys are Trump is not going to "crumble the system."
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23826356 - 11/12/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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We have a pretty good system in place theoretically. It just needs a few tweaks. An outright ban on political parties or at least outside political funding might alleviate the worst of our problems in one fell swoop. No more primaries, or at least, no more party run primaries. Publicly fund the campaigns and require broadcasters to allot each candidate a prescribed amount of primetime ad space, with some extra interspersed throughout the day at their discretion. No more putting on a team jersey and hoping the home crowd votes your way. Without party affiliation, the public is forced to weigh each candidate by their merits. If these measures prove impossible to implement, then we need to find ways to include more parties into our political system as it stands. At least then, some semblance of competition and coalition can exist. Maybe people would have an occasional opportunity to vote for someone whose rhetoric they agree with rather than voting against whoever has the most frightening rhetoric.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I totally agree we need a big change, but crumbling the current system will only hurt us.
Trump won't crumble the system. He will do a lot of stupid things. He will take a lot of orders from people who have a faint idea of what the fuck a president should do, and those people will not have the best interest of the American people at heart. We will pay for his presidency for years to come, but maybe not so dearly as a Clinton presidency.
The good that I can see coming out of all of this, is that Trump will probably be more disastrous than GWB, and people will swing to the left. However, the left will be a new left, composed of "Berniecrats". Wishful thinking, but entirely possible.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#23826704 - 11/12/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: We have a pretty good system in place theoretically. It just needs a few tweaks. An outright ban on political parties or at least outside political funding might alleviate the worst of our problems in one fell swoop. No more primaries, or at least, no more party run primaries. Publicly fund the campaigns and require broadcasters to allot each candidate a prescribed amount of primetime ad space, with some extra interspersed throughout the day at their discretion. No more putting on a team jersey and hoping the home crowd votes your way. Without party affiliation, the public is forced to weigh each candidate by their merits. If these measures prove impossible to implement, then we need to find ways to include more parties into our political system as it stands. At least then, some semblance of competition and coalition can exist. Maybe people would have an occasional opportunity to vote for someone whose rhetoric they agree with rather than voting against whoever has the most frightening rhetoric.
You would have to have a screening process for candidates if things were run this way. You can't give every Tom, Dick, and Harry who believes they should be president equal air time.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23827251 - 11/12/16 08:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: However, the left will be a new left, composed of "Berniecrats". Wishful thinking, but entirely possible.
I believe this will happen. The regressive left is mostly made up out of communists and middle-class kids who become conservatives as soon as they inherit from their parents. Both of these groups have a very limited life-span.
In my opinion the left that will rise to power will be similar to Sanders's sensible non-fashion based politics.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Eminence]
#23827424 - 11/12/16 09:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Wow. Such revolutionaries you guys are Trump is not going to "crumble the system."
Then we can't fix it.
Think of it like building a house in place of a broken down condemned old shack, in order to lay the new foundation you must bring it to the ground and lay the foundation. You don't sit there patching hopeless leaks and replacing things rotting at a rate faster than you can rebuild as the "man" wants you to believe.
You know nothing about me, don't make it personal. Politics are for the birds.
I'm an anarchist. Bernie was never going to win because he was part of that broken ass condemned old shack and the failure to rebuild it process.
What we have is a system issue; you can't fix that internally. It's like trying to implement linux or BSD software to a Mac. That shit just isn't going to happen, and the concept is really just a fallacy.
But hey, think and believe what you want; I advise you fight for it.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: plurfekt]
#23827450 - 11/12/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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An anarchist? LOL. How old are you?
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Eminence]
#23827454 - 11/12/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#23827605 - 11/12/16 11:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: We have a pretty good system in place theoretically. It just needs a few tweaks. An outright ban on political parties or at least outside political funding might alleviate the worst of our problems in one fell swoop. No more primaries, or at least, no more party run primaries. Publicly fund the campaigns and require broadcasters to allot each candidate a prescribed amount of primetime ad space, with some extra interspersed throughout the day at their discretion. No more putting on a team jersey and hoping the home crowd votes your way. Without party affiliation, the public is forced to weigh each candidate by their merits. If these measures prove impossible to implement, then we need to find ways to include more parties into our political system as it stands. At least then, some semblance of competition and coalition can exist. Maybe people would have an occasional opportunity to vote for someone whose rhetoric they agree with rather than voting against whoever has the most frightening rhetoric.
You would have to have a screening process for candidates if things were run this way. You can't give every Tom, Dick, and Harry who believes they should be president equal air time.
maybe make 'em gather signatures? i don't know, but i'm sure there's a way.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: viktor] 4
#23828008 - 11/13/16 05:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: However, the left will be a new left, composed of "Berniecrats". Wishful thinking, but entirely possible.
I believe this will happen. The regressive left is mostly made up out of communists and middle-class kids who become conservatives as soon as they inherit from their parents. Both of these groups have a very limited life-span.
In my opinion the left that will rise to power will be similar to Sanders's sensible non-fashion based politics.
In America, Sanders is a Communist, if you weren't aware. Oh, and Obama is a Socialist. Ask HU, he'll lay it all out for you. Actually, Obama is a Socialist, and a Fascist, because Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. However, right wing politics have never, and will never have any authoritarian component, because they are incapable of being Fascist, because they are the small government guys. Get it? Good.
Boy, I love this line: "The regressive left is mostly made up out of communists and middle-class kids who become conservatives as soon as they inherit from their parents."
Unfortunately, the majority of these assholes 'Speaking truth to power', and bitching about 'white privilege' are the most privileged of us all. Ivy league college students and what not. They are already living the good life off their parents wealth, which is why they have all the time in the world to go around being do-nothing pantywastes.
The SJW movement has been a black mark on the left for painfully too long at this point. When I tell people I lean to the left, they think I'm telling them to refer to me as Zur, and watch out for trigger warnings... or some shit. These assholes have a bone to pick with everyone who isn't one of their 'special people', and they will never have very much pull in the world.
You know, I was going to say that the SJW cunts mostly did back Sanders, but now that I think about it, no, they backed Clinton. I guess I shouldn't say that... They backed Clinton's vagina. Yeah, they can get the fuck out of our movement.
I think I am rambling... It's 5 AM and I haven't slept.. I'm growing mushrooms. Lots of them. A worthy cause for a forfeited sleep cycle!
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof] 4
#23828187 - 11/13/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23828286 - 11/13/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
Seems like you learned a few things from the election result.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23828318 - 11/13/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
Well said.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman]
#23828359 - 11/13/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Government - the concept that a few people out there (especially in corrupt politics and organized crime; which is all politics really are in America) should have the right and the all-seeing power to govern you, rather than you governing your own life as an individual.
Anarchism - Self-governing. To me it has Nothing to do with chaos beyond the initial "tearing down of that old system to build a better one" process.
Anyone who can't jump on board with that ideal, to me that says they have never known freedom.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] 2
#23828385 - 11/13/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
Seems like you learned a few things from the election result.
Im not saying I agree with the way the right expressed their frustration, but the left has had blinders on this entire cycle.
Sanders' rise should've been warning enough, but Hillary shrugged off populism and went with the "I'm not Trump" campaign tactic. Its hard to be the lesser of two evils candidate when youre literally screaming it from the podium.
I hope this election serves, if nothing else, to wash the corporate filth off both parties. Trump needs to stick to at least some of his populist message, and the Democrats need to retool under true progressive leadership. But already: fuckery. Sanders, Warren, and Schumer have endorsed Keith Ellison (progressive Congressman) for DNC chair, but the establishment wants to give it to Howard "byahh my way out of a presidential nomination" Dean. FUCKERY. I'm sick of it.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23828392 - 11/13/16 09:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: I hope this election serves, if nothing else, to wash the corporate filth off both parties.
It could shake things up, but have you seen how well Wall St. is doing? Given that, it's going to be hard for ties to be severed with the Republican party.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: DividedQuantum] 1
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The Ecstatic said: I hope this election serves, if nothing else, to wash the corporate filth off both parties.
It could shake things up, but have you seen how well Wall St. is doing? Given that, it's going to be hard for ties to be severed with the Republican party.
Wall Street doesn't fear anything that Trump purposed, for now we have to accepted their sentiment as truth.
"hard for ties to be severed with the Republican party"
Wall Street's ties are just as strong with the D's.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman]
#23828418 - 11/13/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wall Street's ties are just as strong with the D's.
Absolutely.
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#23828448 - 11/13/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wall Street's ties are just as strong with the D's.
Absolutely.
And the wheels on the broke ass bus go round and round, round and round...
How is no one else here understanding my perspective?
I'm a Patriot for my country and its people, not for my government and its programmed slaves.
How do any of you actually believe that these elections are fair to true democracy when we live in a global surveillance state on its way to globalization, the dream of Rockefeller and the other families.
Oddly, I'm actually not against the idea of globalization if done properly, say, through a Jacque Fresco inspired global resource based economy.
Trinity: "No one has ever tried anything like this before."
Neo: "That's why it is going to work."
But no, lets just wait until the oil runs out, the population becomes unsustainable and for the ruling elite to own 99.99% instead of the projected 97-99% it already has while they destroy our only home, Earth.
Darwin award goes too: The whole of humanity.
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Interesting but true quote from Vampires mocking humans in True Blood - "Humans are the only species that actively destroys their own habitat."
So true it is sad.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#23830387 - 11/13/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Well said, bbw. The SJWs are the antithesis of the racism on the right. Both detested by one another, but more importantly, by moderates.
People got sick of the refusal of Obama to name radical Islam. Got sick of the new gender popping up every week, sick of transgender bathroom laws, sick of being called racist for criticizing Obama or BLM.
It boils down to the fact that it was easier for the left to write off the working class' socio/political/economic concerns as xenophobia than actually listen. And you can check the vote counts from the rust belt and the Midwest for how that turned out.
Agreed. The 'regressive' left has attempted to foist this inorganic culture that they have conjured up onto working class America. I just don't think this country has the patience for whiny ass victim culture.
There are legitimate concerns about refugees/radical Islam. The problem is, you get legitimate racists jumping on board with the guys who have legitimate concerns, and they get balled into one. The country is no longer sensitive to racism, and it is making a comeback. That's why guys like Qman can say that black people are inherently more violent by their nature, yet still attempt to maintain that he is not a racist. That's pretty cut and dry. This is what racism is '(Insert skin color) are (insert disparaging blanket statement)'.
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