|
Eminence



Registered: 07/25/10
Posts: 16,623
Loc: Richmond, VA
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Tipote]
#23809252 - 11/07/16 10:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Tipote said:
Quote:
Eminence said: Well first off..Trump didn't say anything racist (god damn it gets tiring repeating that) but I still think I've seen at least just as much racism coming from people who are super anti Trump as I've heard from hardcore Trump supporters. Except the racism is all directed towards white people, and a little bit here and there towards "colored" people who are voting for Trump too. A little "xenophobia" is healthy anyway..ever wonder why places like Japan see such little terrorism, almost none actually? Plus...it seems a lot of Trump haters have a thing for destroying other peoples' property too. I'm not surprised you totally ignore all the dumb shit that constantly goes on within Hillary's team and her fans though. 
so much 
That's all ya got?
--------------------
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23809261 - 11/07/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Tipote said:
Quote:
Brian Jones said:
Quote:
Tipote said: he will deny reality because the alternative would be being a loser. Trump is a tremendous winner, remember?
Quote:
The Ecstatic said: Tremendous.
He's a tremendous winner at anything except business and presidential elections, and he's a tremendous loser at those two. I guess he's a winner at pathetic reality TV shows, and that is the only thing that motivates his candidacy. It's just a matter of hours till this freak show is over.
I only hope it will actually be over. If he doesn't unambiguously accept the results of the election, its going to be sending crazy signals to all his white nationalist militia buddies. Even if he does fully accept the results, I would not be surprised if there were rogue elements who would not accept it.
Even if Trump loses, his movement is not going away. The cat is out of the bag and there's no returning to the time before Trump entered the political scene.
This isn't like Romney and McCain going home after losing, Trump and his supporters are the most significant movement in recent US political history.
Trump could even choose to stay in the political world, the MSM is addicted to his ratings. In fact, he could be just as powerful not even living in the White House.
Once Obama is gone he will be ancient history, Trump is a different animal.
The good thing about Trump is that he's gotten the disenfrachised poor white people to finally realize theyre being disenfranchised. Only took em 50 years.
It's been more like 30 years and it's not just "poor white people". It's also middle class white people.
BTW, about a 1/2 mile from my house is a called street called millionaire lane, it's the richest part of town. I just drove past it today, about 1/4 of the homes have Trump signs in the front yard. 
I live in a small affluent town that has one of the best public schools in the state, so the people that live here are highly educated. I will post the percentages of the voter results after the election. I think it's going to show that Trump supporters aren't uneducated or poor.
Edited by qman (11/07/16 10:32 AM)
|
The Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,362
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 56 minutes, 44 seconds
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] 6
#23809283 - 11/07/16 10:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Not all people are voting for Trump for economic reasons, and economic reasons arent the only things these people are being disenfranchised over
Theres been a major highlight of corporate campaign finance, because for once the GOP candidate is doing the exact same thing to the same extent.
Theres been a major highlight on corruptuon in general. Focus on wikileaks and the future of journalism, and a somewhat tepid criticism of the national security state and adventurous wars. Now, that part is coupled with a completely racist foreign and domestic policy, but its a start.
Basically what I'm saying is Trump got the GOP base to question the establishment, something a huge block of the Dem base has been doing since 1968. Hopefully this bodes well for the future of the nation as a whole. We can still bicker about elections, but lets stip corporations from running them. We can still bicker about Muslims, but lets not waste lives and money invading their homelands. We can still hash out these differences without giving the establishment a free pass to fuck us over when we arent looking. Hopefully we can move towards a concensus on this.
--------------------
|
fivepointer
newbie
Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 1,428
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23809299 - 11/07/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Agent Orange had his Twitter account taken away by his staff. Bwahhaaa
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23809322 - 11/07/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
The democratic base did embrace Bernie, so full credit for that outcome.
I mean Dems got 8 years of complete garbage with Obama and now they're going to get 4 more with Hillary.
When she goes to Ohio, Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania she doesn't say she's going to bring jobs back to those states. She talks about day care or education, she doesn't even pretend to act concerned about employment.
All I can say to those states, you deserve what you get and don't complain when the poverty, unemployment and underemployment gets even worse.
|
The Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,362
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 56 minutes, 44 seconds
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] 2
#23809355 - 11/07/16 11:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
I think everyone is pandering when it comes to jobs, but I dont watch her speak so I wouldnt know the specifics.
UBI is whats coming and thats political suicide to just about everyone, its going to be ignored for as long as possible. Even if we did manage to structure optimal trade deals, raise wages, promote unions, jobs are STILL going to keep disappearing. But thats a reality that the "yay hard work boo govt handouts" constituency does not want to entertain.
--------------------
|
DividedQuantum
Outer Head


Registered: 12/06/13
Posts: 9,818
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23809407 - 11/07/16 11:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah, Obama actually stated in an interview that the direction we are going is toward a UBI. See the UBI thread for the article in which it is mentioned, if you're curious.
-------------------- Vi Veri Universum Vivus Vici
|
The Ecstatic
Chilldog Extraordinaire


Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 33,362
Loc: 'Merica
Last seen: 56 minutes, 44 seconds
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: DividedQuantum] 1
#23809503 - 11/07/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Will do
--------------------
|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 1 day, 1 hour
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23809686 - 11/07/16 01:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Ecstatic said: I think everyone is pandering when it comes to jobs, but I dont watch her speak so I wouldnt know the specifics.
UBI is whats coming and thats political suicide to just about everyone, its going to be ignored for as long as possible. Even if we did manage to structure optimal trade deals, raise wages, promote unions, jobs are STILL going to keep disappearing. But thats a reality that the "yay hard work boo govt handouts" constituency does not want to entertain.
I think you're getting a little ahead of yourself with that concept.
|
JonnyOnTheSpot
Sober Surfer



Registered: 01/27/02
Posts: 11,527
Loc: North Carolina
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Eminence] 3
#23810304 - 11/07/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Eminence said: Well first off..Trump didn't say anything racist (god damn it gets tiring repeating that) but I still think I've seen at least just as much racism coming from people who are super anti Trump as I've heard from hardcore Trump supporters. Except the racism is all directed towards white people, and a little bit here and there towards "colored" people who are voting for Trump too. A little "xenophobia" is healthy anyway..ever wonder why places like Japan see such little terrorism, almost none actually? Plus...it seems a lot of Trump haters have a thing for destroying other peoples' property too. I'm not surprised you totally ignore all the dumb shit that constantly goes on within Hillary's team and her fans though. 
actually, trump has said plenty of things that are racist, and he's said plenty of misogynistic things too. see, you're one of those people in "full flight from reality" that i had mentioned.
Also, I don't totally ignore the negative actions of democrats/clinton. actually, what i do is weigh the two candidates/supporters and find that the ignorance and misinformation that is circulated as factual is shockingly higher amongst trump supporters. I find that misleading and/or inaccurate statements from trump are far more frequent than from clinton. I also find that the substance of trump policies is alarmingly thin, and sometimes non-existent. often times, an outrageous claim by trump about what he's going to do when he's elected is not backed up by any sort of plan, policy, or specifics - just a lot of hot air, basically. in a nut shell he's pandering.
i'm an independent, but when i weigh all of these factors i make the decision that voting for clinton is easily the right choice, given all of the choices. No trump supporter is ever going to convince me that clinton's private email server is a bigger deal breaker than trump's racist/misogynistic rhetoric, the multiple allegations of sexual assault against him, the allegations (and personal admissions) of his perversion...and, hmm what am i forgetting? oh yeah, his total lack of experience and complete lack of understanding about foreign policy and geopolitical realities. the list goes on and on when it comes to what trump doesn't know anything about. it's pretty fucking embarrassing for our country that he has so much support, in my opinion.
clinton isn't perfect, but she's the obvious choice for this independent.
|
sh4d0ws
LSx


Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 12,086
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23810350 - 11/07/16 05:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
What is UBI
|
ballsalsa
Universally Loathed and Reviled



Registered: 03/11/15
Posts: 20,812
Loc: Foreign Lands
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: sh4d0ws]
#23810353 - 11/07/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
universal basic income
--------------------
Like cannabis topics? Read my cannabis blog here
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 20 days
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] 3
#23810691 - 11/07/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
qman said: Lots of demand is artificial, take out the SS disability and food stamps growth which is fueled with debt, and where would be the demand?
No, SS disability is NOT fueled with debt, and the demand created from it is NOT artificial, it's very REAL.
Quote:
qman said: Where is the demand for new homes? Still down -50% a decade later.
First of all, new home sales are up:

Second, and more importantly, population growth is down, so there's not a good reason to build as many new homes:

Third, there was a huge oversupply of housing as a result of the housing bubble, giving us more housing that we need.
Quote:
qman said: "credit growth which as averaged 9% a year since the beginning of this century...barely reaches 4% annualized in most quarters now"
WRONG. And I have the data to prove it:

Credit growth spiked to 9%, and is currently at 7% (not 4%).
Quote:
qman said: You must have a short memory, I showed many times that credit growth has slowed considerably since the 2008 crisis.
You've found articles from conservative sources saying credit growth is down, but I'm posting the actual data proving it's up.
Quote:
qman said: As a result, the velocity of money is at a 60 year low.
Since credit growth is actually up, that does NOT explain why velocity of money is down. What explains it very simply is that Main Street doesn't have as much money to spend as they used to (a point I've always said was true), which is why velocity of money is down.
Quote:
PeyoteZen said: So tedious.
Tell me about it. It's always the same:
"Hey look! I found a conservative website that supports my point of view!!!"
"Hey look - here's the actual data that proves your conservative website wrong."
Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (11/08/16 12:30 AM)
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 20 days
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] 3
#23810775 - 11/07/16 07:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
qman said: BTW, about a 1/2 mile from my house is a called street called millionaire lane, it's the richest part of town. I just drove past it today, about 1/4 of the homes have Trump signs in the front yard. 
I would expect the rich to vote for Trump. He want to give them yuge tax cuts!
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
fivepointer
newbie
Registered: 08/03/02
Posts: 1,428
Last seen: 7 years, 2 months
|
|
Trump and his tards get to ride the looooser train out of town, destination Loserville, departure time 24 hours.
The long nightmare is almost over.
|
The Blind Ass
Bodhi



Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: fivepointer]
#23812125 - 11/08/16 09:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
things are going to go along as they always have regardless which Nut Job gets the oval office.
Im mainly concerned about the currency bubble, and corruption being talked about.
-------------------- Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps
|
The Blind Ass
Bodhi



Registered: 08/16/16
Posts: 26,657
Loc: The Primordial Mind
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23812140 - 11/08/16 09:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
-------------------- Give me Liberty caps -or- give me Death caps
|
Falcon91Wolvrn03
Stranger



Registered: 03/16/05
Posts: 32,557
Loc: California, US
Last seen: 4 months, 20 days
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] 3
#23812449 - 11/08/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
The Blind Ass said: https://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2016/11/07/leaked-documents-reveal-expansive-soros-funding-to-manipulate-federal-elections/2/
So according to your article, Soros is "manipulating" the elections by trying to get more people to vote.
-------------------- I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them. I also attack my side if I think they're wrong. People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.
|
lurkmode
Stranger


Registered: 05/20/08
Posts: 1,375
Last seen: 4 years, 3 months
|
|
Trump's gonna get his loser ass handed to him
Fuck him and all his degenerate, deplorable, douchey-ass supporters
|
amp244
Sporocarp Stretching


Registered: 08/05/08
Posts: 1,336
|
Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: lurkmode]
#23813697 - 11/08/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
|
|
Yeeehaaw! Still too close to call gals and guys!
Trump leads! Clinton leads! They both lead!
-------------------- How to Convert a Normal 24-hour Light Timer into a Short Cycle Repeating Timer "Monopoly, besides, is a great enemy to good management, which can never be universally established but in consequence of that free and universal competition which forces everybody to have recourse in it for the sake of self-defense." -Adam Smith
Edited by amp244 (11/08/16 07:55 PM)
|
|