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The likelihood that Hillary doesn't authorize (let alone have any knowledge of) the activities of these Democratic Operatives, is far far lower than the likelihood that she does. I know you like to play Devil's advocate, but c'mon man.
When you see a bum drinking from a brown paper bag, are you more inclined, or less inclined, to think it's probably alcohol? I guess you would need proof, huh? Would it be enough to remove the bottle from the bag and read the label? Or would you need to take a sample from the bottle and have it tested in a lab for ABV%? And even then, how could you really be sure it's actually alcohol? Where does it end with you?
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23779098 - 10/28/16 03:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agreed that Hillary authorized Donald Duck to carry signs asking for Trump to release his tax returns. In other words, I'm agreeing with you.
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What I'm saying is that Hillary has had full knowledge of the rest of the ground game as well (ie: inciting violence at Trump rallies, allowing her in-pocket media to pin it on Sander's crowds and Trump's "divisive rhetoric"). The Donald Ducks happens to be her idea, but her involvement and responsibility in these guy's activities is not merely limited to the mascot shtick.
She's a shot caller. All this shit admitted to on video is done with her full blessing. It's not some rogue element of the Democratic Party acting independently of the will of Hillary Clinton. I can say this with the utmost certainty without personally needing anything more than inference + the available proof. She's a criminal, she's left enough bread crumbs already to draw these conclusions, but some people are still in full on denial. Sounds like you're sorta coming around, but not really quite there yet.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23779121 - 10/28/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm coming around to the extent that there is evidence. As I said before, "just because Hillary is corrupt doesn't mean you're free to make things up about her."
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23779374 - 10/28/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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PeyoteZen said: What I'm saying is that Hillary has had full knowledge of the rest of the ground game as well (ie: inciting violence at Trump rallies, allowing her in-pocket media to pin it on Sander's crowds and Trump's "divisive rhetoric"). The Donald Ducks happens to be her idea, but her involvement and responsibility in these guy's activities is not merely limited to the mascot shtick.
She's a shot caller. All this shit admitted to on video is done with her full blessing. It's not some rogue element of the Democratic Party acting independently of the will of Hillary Clinton. I can say this with the utmost certainty without personally needing anything more than inference + the available proof. She's a criminal, she's left enough bread crumbs already to draw these conclusions, but some people are still in full on denial. Sounds like you're sorta coming around, but not really quite there yet.
"She's a criminal" Give me the name of one really powerful person in modern history that wasn't a criminal. DaleyI and DaleyII were criminals and they were excellent leaders. At least in 2 weeks we don't have to listen to any more of this stupid Trump bullshit.
This is the question you should be asking yourself. Why can't my party come up with a nominee that is both electable and effective?
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] 4
#23779477 - 10/28/16 08:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because their platform is half dog whistle, half dog shit.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23779487 - 10/28/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't wait for this to be over and the Orange Menace to be humiliated. Him and his knuckle dragging followers will scatter off to the dustbin of history.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: fivepointer] 2
#23779493 - 10/28/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theyll just go back into the closet until another demagogue comes out to "tell it like it is."
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Quote:
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The Blind Ass said: ...i cant begin to lay it all out with the details and examples and sources its to much for one text to a random stranger, those in the know know its Your responsibility to seek truth not mine to fucking give it to you on a silver platter...
That's just conservative speak for "fuck burden of proof".
Falcon, you are a troll. You scan through these forums looking for things to challenge. You stop any legit argument dead in its tracks and turn your brain off. Then you make everyone hold your hand and guide you through the argument. By the time you relent, half of the participants in the conversation have excused themselves.
You are the type of person who makes himself look like a fool because 'The burden of proof always lies on the person making the claim'. This is true, so everything you read goes through Falcon's 'Burden of Proof Filter'. If it doesn't pass, you assume that demanding they provide an example serves as a legitimate challenge to their argument.
You asked me to provide those examples as if I wasn't going to be able to. If I was going to attempt to make someone else look foolish, by challenging them to prove something to me, I'd do a little due diligence and confirm that they were wrong before I jumped on them.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] 4
#23779850 - 10/28/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You act like fal is the only person who thinks the burden of proof is integral to making claims.
Its not anyones responsibility to investigate your claims, short of common knowledge. And knowledge isnt so common around these parts.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23779879 - 10/28/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just said that if I was gonna pull that card in an attempt to make someone else look stupid, I'd make sure it wasn't going to be very easy for them to spin it back around on me.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] 2
#23779935 - 10/28/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Or maybe he just geniunely wanted the information
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23779961 - 10/28/16 12:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If your responding to me here, you can use a search engine on the net and find sources easily so so easily, its not like the 1800s and 1900s any more where you had to take a horse or old car to the library of some university that might not even let u in to use it and then rummage through crazy hard to understand system that stores documents and old books/papers/recorded record of history etc to find your "sources", which all might takes days or weeks or longer most likely for how your using "burden of proof". If your my friend or a true seeker and are legitimately asking for a source of course, I PM you one - its 2016 - once again INTERNET .
Burden of Proof, can be used improperly and properly.
Burden of Proof is not for casual discussion on an internet forum, non the less the shroomey. Its more for in academia, intelligent friends amungst themselves in a debate where they work together to discover or uncover something for a cause or greater purpose, or in the court of Law, and hopefully by real media agents that are agents for a living
. Lets be real here guys. Pretending to use the logic and reason gives the real thing a bad name for the by standers just learning or re learning. Iv got my old Intro to Logic by Capi book right next to me and More - so I do not want to hear it from any body.
Misusing and misunderstanding and being outright wrong in their definition and use of things like premise and proposition, is misleading and naive at best, and evil or corrupt at worst.
There are free peer reviewed and non peer reviewed journals, essays, research in law and science, and freedom of information act that you can literally use yourself. All for free if you have the where with all and an internet connection. Yes all free, even behind the so called pay to read ones, use the search, look hard - you can get them 99% all of them free.
That and expert testimony and there you go - "sources". Sources in themselves are not fool proof and are a burden in themselves because it is still up to the individual to practice Discernment and have as close as he can knowledge and vision of things as they actually are. Needing some one to spell it all out for you makes you ... less appealing -to put it kindly0 if your even an adult who has a higher education than just a BA, or if your auto-didactic and show it in your action and speech I accept that as well. But you have the scent of one who has yet to really learn beyond a class or two and is using some very poorly misunderstood concepts to bolster himself for ego - which is sad in the case that this is about our election overall.
You also probably haven't lived through the changes of enough government men over the generations to have "view" of what it even is really like so your basis is some faulty at best idealistic concept like some semi popular-ology of some sort...etc. Good luck to you but I wont even suggest another thing in this forum because it is beneath me .
I will save my time and energy for those who actually have the means and power and brains to do something worthy if given the right view and practice of reason - and a friend to use it on and with.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] 4
#23780014 - 10/28/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So what youre saying is it shouldnt be difficult at all to source your claims. I completelt agree.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23780029 - 10/28/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahh the disillusioned Bernie voter. Glad your OK man, Are you though? If you fell for that act you surely must be under 30. I am out of this thread. Sources come through years of personal research. I wont retrace my steps for your leisure because frankly I do not know you in person, and you seem a fool. Shared amungst my friends, good day fools.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] 2
#23780046 - 10/28/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your post screams but ok, tootles.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23780128 - 10/28/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh sorry I said I wouldnt say anything else But, yesterday I told you It would take a Week for it to be released, well it came early, check the internet boys - this shit is real as fuck.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23780142 - 10/28/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I dont know what youre referring to, Ive never seen your username before.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass]
#23780162 - 10/28/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Blind Ass said: Oh sorry I said I wouldnt say anything else But, yesterday I told you It would take a Week for it to be released, well it came early, check the internet boys - this shit is real as fuck.
Link it up.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
#23780185 - 10/28/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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